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Postby stmichael » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:39 pm

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:I was sayin to me mum yesterday funny enough, that he will probably come to us, hes been making an awful lot of noises latelty at the Bernabau saying he would leave, my mum laughed and said oh another spaniard I said I bet ya he comes in the transfer window.
And look at this. :D

Its a very long article ive shortened it abit.

http://www.squarefootball.net/content/article/article.asp?aid=1817

Raul to the Merseyside. It’s not nearly as strange and unlikely a possibility as it seems...

Start with the key piece of the original statement by the player: "...sacrifice myself in order for the team to progress..."

Right there, Raul knocks out the possibility of playing for any other Spanish side, and surely, were Real to come to the ultimate conclusion that moving their talisman on was a necessary operation, they would prefer him not turning out anywhere else in the Primera either.

So, where to for Raul, if Spain is not an option?

Spanish footballers in the past have, with a few exceptions, preferred to remain at home. Some who have ventured abroad have plied their trade across the Mediterranean in Italy.

Italy? Plenty of pedigreed clubs, plenty of money, plenty of tradition, but also plenty of stultifying, regimented, robotic football, the very antithesis to the approach favored in Spain in general, and at Real in particular. Surely Raul must have been filled in on some of the particulars of football by Zidane and Ronaldo, and there is every reason to assume that the player would reject such a restrictive approach to the game.

With Spain and Italy out of the way, and with all apologies to the German Bundesliga, that leaves one other major football competition, the Premiership. And if money is the sole concern for Raul, then he will end up plying his trade at a club other than Liverpool if he moves from Madrid; indeed, Chelsea are rumoured to have already made inquiries for the player’s services.

But...

If a player were moving from Spain, less a country than a cobbled-together patchwork of regional brothers and sisters, with all the accompanying squabbles and spats of family life, might it not occur to the player to select a club in the Premier League that has some hints of home in general, and Madrid in particular?

Josemi, Xabi Alonso and Luis Garcia are known to Raul from the Spanish National Team, although Garcia is still at this date awaiting his first full appearance. But Antonio Nunez came to Liverpool from Real, in the deal for Michael Owen, a reassuring element of the culture of the Bernabeu at Liverpool.

And there is a certain Fernando Morientes...

Football supporters who can remember the time when the two played together at Real have probably just sat up a little straighter in their chair...

There is more than an ex-teammate relationship between the two; indeed, Raul has made plenty of comments in the past testifying both to his friendship with Morientes, and to his regard for Morientes’s abilities, and how effective their partnership is when playing together.

Oh, and lest we forget, the man running the show at Anfield is also an ex-Madrid player, Rafael Benitez. And Benitez has demonstrated both a willingness to bring Spanish players to the Premier League, and also shown signs of disapproval with one of his main strikers, Milan Baros.

Replacing Baros with Raul? I’m confident enough in the range of Rafa’s linguistic skills to assert that his reply would be something along the lines of, "Yes, please..." followed by an eloquent discourse on the merits of Raul and his winning mentality.

A player, the very symbol of a club, either is forced to move on, or feels it is the right thing for him to do, for the club’s benefit. If the club is still so dear to Raul, and on the surface at least it would appear to be the case, then he would have a harder time finding a better home away from Real than at Liverpool. The two clubs themselves have done recent business with the Michael Owen transfer, which carried some lesser strains of the same soap opera of a club symbol moving on.

If the unthinkable does occur, and the prospect has been raised by Raul himself, then it must also be considered a possibility, and a very real, or dare I say Raul, one at that, that Raul’s hypothetical destination away from his sole stomping ground to date, the Santiago Bernabeu, will be Liverpool, playing alongside his friend and strike partner Morientes, another new face in the Spanish emigre contingent at Anfield...

tell her to ask her ex if it's true or not? :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
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Postby JC_81 » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:22 pm

Can't see it happening.

Probably a change of club would do him good though
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:36 pm

stmichael wrote:
cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:I was sayin to me mum yesterday funny enough, that he will probably come to us, hes been making an awful lot of noises latelty at the Bernabau saying he would leave, my mum laughed and said oh another spaniard I said I bet ya he comes in the transfer window.
And look at this. :D

Its a very long article ive shortened it abit.

http://www.squarefootball.net/content/article/article.asp?aid=1817

Raul to the Merseyside. It’s not nearly as strange and unlikely a possibility as it seems...

Start with the key piece of the original statement by the player: "...sacrifice myself in order for the team to progress..."

Right there, Raul knocks out the possibility of playing for any other Spanish side, and surely, were Real to come to the ultimate conclusion that moving their talisman on was a necessary operation, they would prefer him not turning out anywhere else in the Primera either.

So, where to for Raul, if Spain is not an option?

Spanish footballers in the past have, with a few exceptions, preferred to remain at home. Some who have ventured abroad have plied their trade across the Mediterranean in Italy.

Italy? Plenty of pedigreed clubs, plenty of money, plenty of tradition, but also plenty of stultifying, regimented, robotic football, the very antithesis to the approach favored in Spain in general, and at Real in particular. Surely Raul must have been filled in on some of the particulars of football by Zidane and Ronaldo, and there is every reason to assume that the player would reject such a restrictive approach to the game.

With Spain and Italy out of the way, and with all apologies to the German Bundesliga, that leaves one other major football competition, the Premiership. And if money is the sole concern for Raul, then he will end up plying his trade at a club other than Liverpool if he moves from Madrid; indeed, Chelsea are rumoured to have already made inquiries for the player’s services.

But...

If a player were moving from Spain, less a country than a cobbled-together patchwork of regional brothers and sisters, with all the accompanying squabbles and spats of family life, might it not occur to the player to select a club in the Premier League that has some hints of home in general, and Madrid in particular?

Josemi, Xabi Alonso and Luis Garcia are known to Raul from the Spanish National Team, although Garcia is still at this date awaiting his first full appearance. But Antonio Nunez came to Liverpool from Real, in the deal for Michael Owen, a reassuring element of the culture of the Bernabeu at Liverpool.

And there is a certain Fernando Morientes...

Football supporters who can remember the time when the two played together at Real have probably just sat up a little straighter in their chair...

There is more than an ex-teammate relationship between the two; indeed, Raul has made plenty of comments in the past testifying both to his friendship with Morientes, and to his regard for Morientes’s abilities, and how effective their partnership is when playing together.

Oh, and lest we forget, the man running the show at Anfield is also an ex-Madrid player, Rafael Benitez. And Benitez has demonstrated both a willingness to bring Spanish players to the Premier League, and also shown signs of disapproval with one of his main strikers, Milan Baros.

Replacing Baros with Raul? I’m confident enough in the range of Rafa’s linguistic skills to assert that his reply would be something along the lines of, "Yes, please..." followed by an eloquent discourse on the merits of Raul and his winning mentality.

A player, the very symbol of a club, either is forced to move on, or feels it is the right thing for him to do, for the club’s benefit. If the club is still so dear to Raul, and on the surface at least it would appear to be the case, then he would have a harder time finding a better home away from Real than at Liverpool. The two clubs themselves have done recent business with the Michael Owen transfer, which carried some lesser strains of the same soap opera of a club symbol moving on.

If the unthinkable does occur, and the prospect has been raised by Raul himself, then it must also be considered a possibility, and a very real, or dare I say Raul, one at that, that Raul’s hypothetical destination away from his sole stomping ground to date, the Santiago Bernabeu, will be Liverpool, playing alongside his friend and strike partner Morientes, another new face in the Spanish emigre contingent at Anfield...

tell her to ask her ex if it's true or not? :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

:laugh: Its not her ex StMick and rafa mark 2s here aswell :laugh:
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Postby zarababe » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:19 pm

hawkmoon269 wrote:
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XSD wrote:lol, madrid selling raul...he will be there for his career.

Raul wants to go, maybe like Owen got stale at Liverpool. Hes had 2 poor seasons but hes still a class quality player, but how much would leave for thats the problem ???
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Postby Sean » Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:21 pm

Raul reminds me of Fowler in his last season with us.
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Postby yckatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:32 pm

Sean wrote:Raul reminds me of Fowler in his last season with us.

yeah like he`s fallen out of love with the game.
i always remember an interview with fowler just before he left us saying that he never watched football on the telly because he found it boring. he loved watching horse racing instead.
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Postby Liverpool 4 EVA » Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:01 pm

Nando wrote:i really admired raul unti about 2 years ago when a mate of mine started watching spanish football and said he was over-rated he challenged me to name his main attribute, 2 years later and i still cant answer it, theres something about him but i cant put my finger on it, wat makes him such a great striker? aint strong, aint quick, doesnt have a predatory instincts, i always admired his touch and control but what would u say is his main attribute?

People make up this fallacy about Raúl not being particularly good at anything....What a load of RUBBISH!!

He didn't become the greatest ever scorer of the Champions League at only the age of 25 for nothing you know!!

When Raúl was at the top  of his game, his movement was astounding, he had a GREAT shot, good heading ability, skilful, agile, tricky to deal with in the penalty box, had a great footballing brain and a REAL GRIT, PASSION and DETERMINATION like no one else on the planet!!

He didn't just seem great and score lots of goals because he had the magnificent Fernando Redondo, Roberto carlos Suker and co surrounding him....

Raúl was the golden boy of European football not so long ago....he is still really young and this period of time he really should be at his peak....

I don't think it's any coincidence that Raúl's bad form coincides with the atrocious mismanagement of the Real Madrid team....

Ever since the dictator and Maffia boss wannabe Florentino Pérez took over in 2000 after winning the presidential ellections, he started to create such an awful and unbalalanced joke of a football team, many of the Madrid players just don't seem so be the same anymore....

You know once upon a time Fernando Hierro put it really nicely about Raúl....he said:

" Raúl may not be a 10 in anything, but he is a 9 in EVERYTHING"
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:20 pm

Haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been said .

PAST HIS BEST AND PERSONALITY WISE SEEMS TO BE A RIGHT TW'AT .

I'd think twice before even taking him on a free, fkn prima donna .
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:40 pm

I don't think Raul will ever leave Real.

If we wanted another striker, I would prefer Roy Makaay.

Assuming we could afford him and he wanted to leave Bayern.
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Postby LFC #1 » Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:06 pm

Raul and Morientes were a fantastic partnership a few yrs back, wonder if it'd work in the EPL?
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Postby The Canadian Red Army » Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:20 pm

how many years are left on his contract, doesnt he have another 2 or 3, my guess would be alot to get him. The attraction by other players would be good to want to play with the legendary Raul, and bring a certain amont of Experience to the club of young guns. Might be good to have a father figure around.
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Postby XSD » Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:52 pm

If we could get him I'd be over the moon. He is exactly the calibre of player we need to replace Owen with.
This is one big IF though.
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:54 pm

The Canadian Red Army wrote:how many years are left on his contract, doesnt he have another 2 or 3, my guess would be alot to get him. The attraction by other players would be good to want to play with the legendary Raul, and bring a certain amont of Experience to the club of young guns. Might be good to have a father figure around.

His contracts up in 2010  :D , So I can see him costing an awful lot of money :Oo:
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Postby stmichael » Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:56 pm

i'm sure the buy out clause in his contact is somewhere around the £100m mark ???
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:57 pm

stmichael wrote:i'm sure the buy out clause in his contact is somewhere around the £100m mark ???

:laugh:  :D  :laugh:  topic closed then :D
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