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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:04 pm

only me » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:14 am wrote:Honestly i don't think we have a plan...I think we thought we could hang to Couts for the rest of the year and continue from their..
And that's what's driving me mad with this club ,we are supposed to be one of the top team there are yet we handle ourselves like a small coffee shop...
Every football transfer should have 2 simple conditions ,Meet your valuation for the player and have an sufficient replacement in place ,that's it...It's not rocket science..We should have had 2-3 names of potential replacements ready right now.
But it's the same Krap of not starting a season with a proper CB..Of a Proper holding MF..and then we need to panic buy and loss precious time and points..

Again i could be talking out of my a$$ and tomorrow we will wake up with a super signing or at least Mahrez but i have my doubts that something has changed in the way we conduct ourselves.


Oh I think we've had a plan mate.
I've just been watching Sky Sports and Balague just said Barcelona had been in contact with Liverpool for a while and they were surprised at how open Liverpool were to the idea of a move given our stance in the summer.
I remember watching Peter Moore on Sky a few weeks ago being interviewed sitting next to Jamie Carragher inside the new stand and he wouldn't categorically state that Phil would still be here after January. That was weeks ago.
A company like Nike wouldn't start printing shirts with a player's name on it on a whim either.
IMO this has been a done deal for a while, we probably just waited until the squad flew out to Dubai to announce it to let Jurgen get out of the way.
By the sounds of it we couldn't wait to cash in, looks like all that tough talk in the summer was just to placate the fans.
One day this club will learn to stop doing business with Barcelona, every time Barca get what they want they put the boot in, they did it with the Suarez fee and now they are doing it again saying they were surprised how keen we were to sell.
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Postby only me » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:21 pm

damjan193 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:19 am wrote:What's done is done guys, it's not like we can do anything about it. Let's talk replacements now. I agree, we can't replace him like for like, but we do need to sign a player in his position. As happy I would be with Mahrez and/or Lemar, neither is exactly a playmaker, they're both wingers. Someone mentioned we already have Keita but he's more of a box to box midfielder, a number 8. We need someone like Silva or Mata, we need someone in the classic number 10 role, and so far we haven't been linked with anyone like that.


I agree that's the position we need ,i think Mahrez can play the position...but i'll be more then happy to see other options..I think it's importnat to have someone which can play in the CL..
Maybe look at the teams participating in the Europa League and do some head hunting...Still can't believe we haven't done that already...Sooo amaturish.
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Postby Reg » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:48 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:04 pm wrote:Oh I think we've had a plan mate.
I've just been watching Sky Sports and Balague just said Barcelona had been in contact with Liverpool for a while and they were surprised at how open Liverpool were to the idea of a move given our stance in the summer.
I remember watching Peter Moore on Sky a few weeks ago being interviewed sitting next to Jamie Carragher inside the new stand and he wouldn't categorically state that Phil would still be here after January. That was weeks ago.
A company like Nike wouldn't start printing shirts with a player's name on it on a whim either.
IMO this has been a done deal for a while, we probably just waited until the squad flew out to Dubai to announce it to let Jurgen get out of the way.
By the sounds of it we couldn't wait to cash in, looks like all that tough talk in the summer was just to placate the fans.
One day this club will learn to stop doing business with Barcelona, every time Barca get what they want they put the boot in, they did it with the Suarez fee and now they are doing it again saying they were surprised how keen we were to sell.


I know Woof doesn't like it when folks talk like accountants, but I'm going to anyway.  :rasp

What company would turn down a 140 million cash injection that reduces debt, increases our ability to invest in the training ground, Annie Rd end, allows us to buy other players?

Tell me what club would not sell which player for 140 million - maybe only de Bruyne, maybe Kane? I think every other club would sell every other player? So time to move on, the cash injection will make the club stronger and hopefully allow us to continue to invest in core players.

Yes we lost a great player but with good off and on field leadership we'll get over it. Overall though, a 140 million cash injection will make the club seriously stronger.
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Postby Reg » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:02 pm

Liverpool must take time over Philippe Coutinho replacement and learn from past mental scars that cost managers their jobs

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7 JANUARY 2018 • 12:20PM

There are three names to consider when demanding Liverpool immediately respond to the sale of Philippe Coutinho. Alberto Aquilani, Andy Carroll and Mario Balotelli.  Three dud signings, each of which arguably cost a Liverpool manager his job and took a few more casualties along the way.

When Xabi Alonso, Fernando Torres and Luis Suarez left in club record transfers, Liverpool’s reaction satisfied a thirst for transfer activity but proved catastrophically ill-judged.

Alonso left for Real Madrid in 2009 and was replaced by an injured Italian midfielder, Aquilani, whose reputation soared while he was in recovery and dipped beyond the point of no return once he played football.

Rafa Benitez’s side went from runners-up to seventh below Aston Villa in the space of a year. He lost his job. So too did his scout Eduardo Macia shortly after.

In January 2011, with Kenny Dalglish now in charge, Carroll moved from Newcastle for £35 million on a bleak winter deadline day. Supporters were momentarily pacified after Torres' £50 million move to Chelsea until those rare – extremely rare - occasions Carroll was fit.

He was not good enough for Liverpool and a furious John W. Henry fired Director of Football Damien Comolli for perceived negligence with the Torres cash, Carroll one of several poor deals. Dalglish followed.

The repercussions of Suarez’s £75 million exit to Barcelona were similarly felt by Brendan Rodgers; having gone so close to the Premier League title in 2014, there was a shambolic search for a striker until deadline day the following August.

Rodgers’ U-turn on Balotelli – initially vowing he would never sign him only to convince himself he could succeed where others failed – proved the beginning of the end of his reign.

Carroll and Balotelli left mental scars, not only for owners Fenway Sports Group but the recruiting staff as accountable as the managers. For a club and ownership whose philosophy is based on being the smartest rather than wealthiest guys in the sport, it was especially chastening.

Since Jurgen Klopp took over perceptions of the chief scouts and Director of Football Michael Edwards have changed.

There is an easy measure of their reputation; when things are going badly their name is referenced in every critical article. When things are going well they are barely mentioned at all.  The best scouts thrive in their anonymity.

The purchases of the last two years – including in no particular order Sadio Mane, Gini Wijnaldum, Mohamed Salah and Andrew Robertson – have been reassuringly good, or in the case of Mane and Salah extraordinarily astute. Coutinho’s value has transformed the African pair into £120 million players in their own right.

As with Virgil Van Dijk, their signings followed extensive and studious research of character as much as talent, which ought to be compulsory with any buy but has certainly not been the case with every major Liverpool signing of the last 30 years.

That is why despite the predictable clamour for the club to act now - throwing out a series of bids for stellar names in the hope one will find a chairman willing to sell for a fee reflective of value – it would be a grave error to act with haste and without certainty.

Up until the moment of Coutinho’s departure the club has insisted they have not made approaches for a replacement. As Klopp stated on Saturday, the focus was solely on trying to convince the Brazilian to stay.

Now he has gone, it is inconceivable Liverpool are not re-assessing their options. As with Suarez, there has been enough notice served of Coutinho’s intentions to ensure a contingency plan goes into operation. No-one at Anfield is surprised this deal happened in January.

Nevertheless, those believing it guarantees a new number ten before the end of the month should be cautious.

Not only is January a difficult market, Liverpool will be wary of spending a premium as clubs add an extra £25 million on any asking price, just as the Merseyside club achieved when reluctantly agreeing Coutinho’s sale.

Klopp has also demonstrated he is more patient than those demanding action.

There was frustration when the Liverpool manager refused to sign an alternative to Van Dijk last summer but his view it had to be the right one rather than anyone was finally rewarded this January. Had Liverpool been similarly prudent in January 2011 and 2014 they may have taken short-term grief with accusations of under-ambition and hesitancy, but the long-term pain would have been less severe after Torres and Suarez’s sale.

Liverpool will replace Philippe Coutinho. They will reinvest their £140 million. It is a question of when, not if, even if the when proves to be in four months rather than within three weeks.

They cannot make the same expensive errors when last spending big in the aftermath of selling big.

Liverpool’s recruitment has been improving as much as the team. The hope must be they are able to secure the long-term prospect they have admired before the end of the month. Appeasing those craving a short-term hit, overspending to protect approval ratings, would only deepen the pain of Coutinho’s loss in the same way it did after Suarez took the same path to the Nou Camp.

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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:21 pm

I'm sorry but it's just not good enough, thanks to Barca we now know that the club have been open to selling Coutinho for a good while and they've had plenty of time to identify any potential replacement(s). If we don't buy anyone in January and we finish outside of the top 4 there will be uproar.
If the club knew that we weren't going to sign any replacements why let Coutinho go?
This is getting beyond a joke now it really is.
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Postby Welsh wizzard 13 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:27 pm

Keita and VVD !! money already gone this been planned for a while it's run like a business now
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Postby only me » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:56 pm

Reg » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:48 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:04 pm wrote:Oh I think we've had a plan mate.
I've just been watching Sky Sports and Balague just said Barcelona had been in contact with Liverpool for a while and they were surprised at how open Liverpool were to the idea of a move given our stance in the summer.
I remember watching Peter Moore on Sky a few weeks ago being interviewed sitting next to Jamie Carragher inside the new stand and he wouldn't categorically state that Phil would still be here after January. That was weeks ago.
A company like Nike wouldn't start printing shirts with a player's name on it on a whim either.
IMO this has been a done deal for a while, we probably just waited until the squad flew out to Dubai to announce it to let Jurgen get out of the way.
By the sounds of it we couldn't wait to cash in, looks like all that tough talk in the summer was just to placate the fans.
One day this club will learn to stop doing business with Barcelona, every time Barca get what they want they put the boot in, they did it with the Suarez fee and now they are doing it again saying they were surprised how keen we were to sell.


I know Woof doesn't like it when folks talk like accountants, but I'm going to anyway.  :rasp

What company would turn down a 140 million cash injection that reduces debt, increases our ability to invest in the training ground, Annie Rd end, allows us to buy other players?

Tell me what club would not sell which player for 140 million - maybe only de Bruyne, maybe Kane? I think every other club would sell every other player? So time to move on, the cash injection will make the club stronger and hopefully allow us to continue to invest in core players.

Yes we lost a great player but with good off and on field leadership we'll get over it. Overall though, a 140 million cash injection will make the club seriously stronger.


I'll tell you which club will turn down 140m ,a Club which might lose it's CL spot in the EPL ,a spot which is essential for drawing high profile players ,a club which had a chance at winning the CL or Local cup and now stands with lesser chance...Can you put a price tag on missing on all our yearly target? the amount we will need to spend in order to get back to top 4 will be much higher then 140....
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Postby only me » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:58 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:21 pm wrote:I'm sorry but it's just not good enough, thanks to Barca we now know that the club have been open to selling Coutinho for a good while and they've had plenty of time to identify any potential replacement(s). If we don't buy anyone in January and we finish outside of the top 4 there will be uproar.
If the club knew that we weren't going to sign any replacements why let Coutinho go?
This is getting beyond a joke now it really is.


Agreed! you don't sell your top asset if you don't have backup plan...However this club started the season with a weakened defense then last year then i guess logic isn't our forte...
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:13 pm

For starters the fee is £105 million and potentially rising to £140 if he hits the targets set out.  Those clauses could be anything from 500 appearances to winning trebles, World player of the year and commission if they sell him on. We might never see the rest of it.
The fact remains that we sold our best most influential player in the middle of a season with no replacement in first.  They have already spent most of the fee on VVD and that leaves feck all in the kitty to go after anyone like Lemar or any other top talent capable of replacing Phil.
They have sold every top player we have and never replaced them with like for like and this time is certainly no different.
So what if he wanted to go, The contract he had put all the cards in our court and they could have let him sign now but leave in June when our season is over. But  :no They flop it out and we reverse ourselves onto it like they knew we would.
Not signing a defender cost us in the summer and now this decision will cost us in the run in  :nod
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:14 pm

Apparently Paul Joyce has tweeted - #Klopp will have faith in his squad, he has a lot of players but I'm not sure if he'll want to spend now, he may go with what he's got.
Looks like Lallana is going to be the lynchpin of the team.
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Postby UvS xR4GEx » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:19 pm

Surely we had the funds to sign VVD regardless of the Coutinho money?

I think the most like for like player in football that plays like Phillipe is Fekir of Lyon. Both Lemar and Mahrez are similar dribblers but both are wide men that don't posses the same vision as Coutinho had. I would personally go for Fekir but apparently he has his heart set on a move to Arsenal.
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Postby UvS xR4GEx » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:21 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:14 pm wrote:Apparently Paul Joyce has tweeted - #Klopp will have faith in his squad, he has a lot of players but I'm not sure if he'll want to spend now, he may go with what he's got.
Looks like Lallana is going to be the lynchpin of the team.

I feel sick just reading that!!

The creativity will be just like the Everton game for the rest of the season.. can't wait!!
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Postby Welsh wizzard 13 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:31 pm

We needed a commanding world-class player at the back we now have 1 in VVD. Our  record without coutinho is actually very good not saying we will cope like but we are now stronger at the back and keita will boss the midfield next season.
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:35 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:14 pm wrote:Apparently Paul Joyce has tweeted - #Klopp will have faith in his squad, he has a lot of players but I'm not sure if he'll want to spend now, he may go with what he's got.
Looks like Lallana is going to be the lynchpin of the team.


They never had any intention of replacing him and using glass boy is a total joke. He can't even stay on his feet ffs.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:38 pm

UvS xR4GEx » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:21 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:14 pm wrote:Apparently Paul Joyce has tweeted - #Klopp will have faith in his squad, he has a lot of players but I'm not sure if he'll want to spend now, he may go with what he's got.
Looks like Lallana is going to be the lynchpin of the team.

I feel sick just reading that!!

The creativity will be just like the Everton game for the rest of the season.. can't wait!!


The Everton and Burnley games will probably be the blueprint for the rest of our season mate. Scrappy wins based around lucky pens, set pieces and the odd decent strike every now and again.
Jurgen is playing a very risky game here, it looks like he is about to repeat the same mistake he made in the summer when he clearly over rated the defenders on our books, if he thinks the likes of Lallana and Chamberlain are good enough to fill the Coutinho sized hole in our starting XI then he is borderline delusional.
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