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by **kindaconfused** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:53 am

I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with the management (at driector level) at the club and while the Directors may have the money to "legally" own the club its the fans that morally own it.

The issue we are not having our views heard at director level and this is wrong after all we are the ones that pay the bills either directly or indirectly.

Why should we leave the future of the club in one persons hands, does he automatically know more cos he's got money, I think not.

Why hasn't LFC fans got a lobby/pressure group to have there say as to what is going on. The dirctors are past their sell by date and we need some fresh meat to help close the gap between the "elite" and the "also rans".

Wake up we are sliding down the slippery slope and we need to halt the fall now and we need to spend money on a tried and tested striker, you can't win much on the cheap anymore!

by **Red Macgregor** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:12 pm

I think you will see some comment from Steve Morgan on the Financial results published last week.
If he makes no comment, then that will mean he is currently in negotiation to take-over this sorry mess.
Don't be fooled by the calm comments from Parry. The club is financially unstable, carrying a debt of circa £18m with an operating loss of £22m, that gives the potential to be £30m in debt if nothing changes. Parry is gambling that things will get better.
Coming back to your point, the fan's determine the future of the club, any fall in Gate money, TV income etc will be disasterous for LFC. WE the fan's around the world control and determine the future financial health of the club.

by **laza** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:18 pm

Kinda and whatever other aka you post under.
You seem really obsessed about money, do you think perhaps instead of supporting a football club you may want to support a bank.
You could put your Barclays scarf on, head down to the financial centre of London and sing your Never deposit alone

by **kindaconfused** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:02 pm

laza

I do have an interest in the business side of the game and Liverpool and I'm also a LFC fan and to me the 2 do mix.

You must realise surely that Moores is a business man and sees LFC as an investment from which his first priority is to seek a return.

For a fan not to recognise this seems to me to be dangerous as he his viewing the club from results and emotion while Moores is looking at it from a business. Business techinques applied to LFC allow comments to be made on how LFC is run cos if we ignore it and it goes t1ts up then we are in trouble.

There have been numerous cases of business men coming into football to get what they can out of it only for them to move on if there plans don't come to fruitioon al la Luton FC recently.

There the fans withdrew supporting the club cos of the actions of the Chairman.

I'm not suggesting this is the case here but why don't the fans have a say on what goes on after all they pay for it all.

Its about football moving out of the dark ages and the fans realised how much power they can wield if they get organised.

I guess if I was coach I would be prone to make posts about coaching etc.

Perhaps we could talk about Granada after all they are one of the major shareholders in Liverpool, now spot the connection there and you can see an interesting dynamic?

Just one more question, who do you think is looking after the fans interest in all of this?

by **Paul C** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:12 pm

Red McGregor made a good point about Morgan there, but I doubt he's in negotiations

by **kindaconfused** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:17 pm

Paul C

I think if someone is going to shake up Moores he's not for letting anyone share the cake. Again Moore's is more interested in Moore's than the fans so he'll try and keep him out.

Again Morgan is a businessman but at least he's oeprating in the modern era and would bring much needed change as long as we don't have to give too much away in exchange.

Just imagine if the fans got behind his bid then they maybe able to exchange it for a say in how the club is run?

A while ago Arsenal asked for their shareholders to help put in some money for their option on season tickets and in return they go Jack sh1t except an option to buy future season tickets at vastly increased prices.

Its this sort of thing that we need to prevent at Liverpool by developing a united one voice and by learning from other clubs fans mistakes?

by **Red Macgregor** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:52 pm

laza wrote:Kinda and whatever other aka you post under.
You seem really obsessed about money, do you think perhaps instead of supporting a football club you may want to support a bank.
You could put your Barclays scarf on, head down to the financial centre of London and sing your Never deposit alone

laza, if you believe that money has nothing to do with Football then you are dangerously naive.
In Glasgow where I live the biggest business men in town are heavily invested in Glasgow Rangers and Celtic because they understand the buying power of the teams fan base.

by **lakes10** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:58 pm

Talk sports say that liverpool fc will be taken over by xmas by Steve Morgan , they say the club have no other option but to take him up on his offer .

i am sure we have heard all that before???

by **kindaconfused** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:25 pm

lakes10

I think the issue is that LFC do not have the money to buy top notch players unless they borrow or sell what they have. 3 duff (I said duff and not Diouf) players may equal 1 top notch striker.

The other way is for someone like Moores to put his hand in his pocket or for Morgan to come along. Now why do you think Morgan has offered cos he knows we need money.

This way he can put £100m in and get a lot of bang for his bucks, in other words a greater share of the club than his £100m should give him cos we are desparate!!!

Morgan will want something for his money (did someone say why am I always talkin money cos thats what makes it all tick I'm afraid) and we are ripe for someone walking in with a deal.

If we don't spend in January we will never catch up for a number of seasons at least, I'm a realist not a dreamer.

by **Redrider** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:37 pm

lakes10 wrote:Talk sports say that liverpool fc will be taken over by xmas by Steve Morgan , they say the club have no other option but to take him up on his offer .

i am sure we have heard all that before???

I think the earlier comment about Morgan is interesting.
The financial figures are so bad that Morgan as a significant shareholder will not remain silent. His only reason not to comment would be for political purposes so as not to disrupt some on-going negotiations. Otherwise he would be trying to blow the lid off this sorry state of financial affairs.

by **kindaconfused** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:48 pm

Redrider

The reason for so much speculation is that LFC need money if they are to continue in Europe and the only way to raise this if Moores doesnt have it is to sell some of his interest in the club.

Without money to buy decent strikers then we will find it difficult, almost impossible to keep up with Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal.

Why didnt we get Houlier's pay determined by results and then at the end we could of got rid for a lot less, yet another cook up from Moores!

by **Redrider** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:59 pm

Unfortunately, it is more than money that is required.
We need the input of some new, hard headed business management. The current figures prove that what we have been saying about lousy buying and selling policies are coming to fruition.
LFC are living in the past with their old patriarchal standards of running the club. Laudable that those policies may have been, they are unfortunately not hard headed enough for today's game where business acumen rules.

by **The Canadian Red Army** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:15 pm

we have already had this discussion

by **kindaconfused** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:10 pm

The Canadian Red Army

what did you say?

by **kindaconfused** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:42 pm

Do yu think Dom 1 is trying to drive this topic of the forum new posts?

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