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by **Ciggy** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:04 pm

yer even old sid got red hair :cool:

by **jonnymac1979** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:06 pm

Didn't he just?

Good old Mr James!!!

Sid's a beast!!!!!

by **The Canadian Red Army** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:48 pm

dont u just love it when things dont happen like you think they will
and now we are such a better team

by **Woollyback** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:03 pm

Jonny, I remember this post very well - one of the most interesting and original I've seen on the forum. Has the job at the Echo materialised yet?

Scary how depressed a lot of us were about our club's outlook back then, but as you say what a difference 6 months makes! Go on, I dare you to do a "Jonnymac reporting from Anfield May 2005"

Shame people like Old Red Eyes don't appear any more, and even Owzat for his instant stats if nothing else! Still, at least Cheesecakery's f*cked off :cool:

by **anfieldadorer** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:31 pm

I missed those old posters you mentioned too, johnymac. It looks like some other old posters, including me, has started to shift to general chat forum and talked about "bollox". Even poster like leonmc, who used to be a "disciplinary committee" of the forum (no offense leon) which in some levels i understand he does it for his love for this forum to keep particular standard of quality postings (in his own way), has also started to make the what so-called "cr4p threads" in his old standard, albeit all are just fine and fun. Me myself was once thinking to leave this forum. Since some new posters started to make similar thread with obvious contents in the same room and started to jump on other opinions and made stupid debate about them. Sorry but this has been happening.

I understand the moderators have been trying to be nice and trying to build this forum as big as possible, but probably the moderators should also take the standard into account. A forum where paul tomkins regularly involved in is one example (sorry supersub, jbg, for campaigning this site, but believe me, this is for the betterment of our beloved forum). This site has been successful to in such a way maintain the standard of the postings.

by **JohnBull** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:09 am

I'm still getting the gossip from The Academy and the John Lloyd in Kirby - I'll start posting it and from what I'm being told it will increase the readership overnight.

by **JBG** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:09 am

Things are so much more positive now than back then when the original post was made. It looked like Houllier would have to lead us into the "Championship/Nationwide" before Moores/Parry would sack him.

Keep the gossip coming Bull.

by **woof woof !** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:21 am

anfieldadorer wrote:I missed those old posters you mentioned too, johnymac. It looks like some other old posters, including me, has started to shift to general chat forum and talked about "bollox".

I think the main reason many people have "moved" to the general chat area is that at least the "bollox" talked there is good humoured. I for one got fed up with the repetitive posts and constant slanging that seems to constantly take place in the main football forum.
Nowadays I rarely bother with the footy discussions as few people seem unable to make a reasoned arguement/discusssion without resorting to abuse if you don't agree with their point of view .

by **JBG** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:34 am

woof woof ! wrote:
anfieldadorer wrote:I missed those old posters you mentioned too, johnymac. It looks like some other old posters, including me, has started to shift to general chat forum and talked about "bollox".

I think the main reason many people have "moved" to the general chat area is that at least the "bollox" talked there is good humoured. I for one got fed up with the repetitive posts and constant slanging that seems to constantly take place in the main football forum.
Nowadays I rarely bother with the footy discussions as few people seem unable to make a reasoned arguement/discusssion without resorting to abuse if you don't agree with their point of view .

Yeah, there are a few, isn't there?

General Chat has vastly increased in size lately as a lot of long time members who know each other well (and know better than to start abusing each other

) can post without getting into a slagging match.

I don't think this forum is as bad as it was say 6 months ago for abuse, but it gets on my nerves when a serious topic breaks down into abuse because people disagree with each other on football matters.

There's no such thing as "I respect your opinion but I have to disagree totally" and then make your counter arguement, instead you occasionally see stuff like "thats a stupid ********g comment you tw@t!"

When that happens the debate goes off the initial issue and just degenerates into a slagging match between members.

We need a form of Queensbury Rules around here.

by **jonnymac1979** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:06 pm

Woollyback wrote:Jonny, I remember this post very well - one of the most interesting and original I've seen on the forum. Has the job at the Echo materialised yet?

Scary how depressed a lot of us were about our club's outlook back then, but as you say what a difference 6 months makes! Go on, I dare you to do a "Jonnymac reporting from Anfield May 2005"

Shame people like Old Red Eyes don't appear any more, and even Owzat for his instant stats if nothing else! Still, at least Cheesecakery's f*cked off

Ha, I don't think I'm in the frame of mind or have the free time right now to do another futuristic report, but I might give it a go again "in the future".

The reason I did the original post was because I could seriously feel it was going to happen. Remember what it was like back then? Everything was dark.

It was like we couldn't get rid of Houllier because "...we are the mighty Liverpool Football Club, and we don't sack managers. We have patience, etc, etc...." while the rest of the Premiership was getting on with the most important thing.

Winning games and climbing up the league.

The club were being laughed at!!! That tw*t ginger Ferguson was quoted in the media as saying he wished Gerard Houllier well and all the sniping was not necessary and unfair.

Reading between the lines, he wanted Gerard Houllier to stay because whilst he was in charge, Liverpool would fall further behind and would be moving backwards rather than forward.

I remember just sitting at my PC one morning and I started typing. Two hours later, what you see on Page 1 of this thread was my vision of what was going to happen. Although a depressing and dark tale of Liverpool's immediate futuire, it temporarily cleared my mood, because I could see a resolution in my own mind, if not what would happen in reality. I could forget about that.

The part that hits home most for me is the bit where I imagined we were playing Blackburn to qualify for the Champions League, and Manchester United were playing Birmingham for the same spot. Was anyone surprised I wrote that we had drawn and Manchester United had won? I had no optimism around that time. It had worn away. When the going got tough, Liverpool just didn't ever get going. I recall the Bradford game years ago, you all know the game I'm talking about....I rest my case.

Ironically, we faced exactly that situation last season with Newcastle United and we didn't bottle it, we actually took that last Champions League place. For the great and good of the club, after a torrid season, we actually did something RIGHT for probably the first time in two years, never mind signings, never mind cup games, we needed that 4th spot, as bad as it had been to settle for it since November, we needed it, and we stood up, and we claimed it.

You can pretty much say it's been an up and down period since then. Changes that needed to be made have been made. We all now who I'm talking about. The decision Steven Gerrard made to stay was the highest point in the saga so far.....

Walk on Benitez

by **JBG** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:36 pm

Good post Johnny.

Last spring was an extremely dark time. Many of our injured players returned to the side and yet we didn't seem to be able to improve. Houllier was getting increasingly paranoid and was sniping left right and centre at his critics as Moores and Parry stood defiantly by their man.

We did eventually find a bit of form towards the end of the season (inspired by Gerrard) and in the end we didn't bottle it, but I think most people agreed that the problems were so deep rooted we were in for more of the same this year.

Thankfully Parry and Moores finally took the hard decision, and while we are far from perfect at the moment, at least we look like we are going places.

by **jonnymac1979** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:14 pm

We're still an unknown quantity which is a good thing for us. We're just scratching the surface of the journey we are about to go on..

One little thing I like about the current situation is that again we have a lot of players to come back into the side from injury. I mentioned Vladimir Smicer yesterday and nearly got laughed at. I made the point of saying he could do well in a Benitez side. Why couldn't he?

Look at John Arne Riise, Djimi Traore.........Igor Biscan? All players who you would have said six months ago had no future at Liverpool. They have all added a few per cent to their game, (especially Riise finding his long lost scoring boots!!) got their act together, possibly rid themselves of the mental block they had within themselves under Houllier, and are now playing to a satisfactory, if not yet high level. Smicer was never THAT bad as people made out, he could do a job still I'm sure.

Steven Gerrard to come back as well....say no more.

And Antonio Nunez would be at the club regardless of the Owen deal. He was not just some reserve player who was thrown in to pacify us over losing Owen, Benitez would have signed him anyway. Nobody knows much about this guy, except he injures easily

, so again, once fit, it will be like a new player at the club.

Times are definitely on the up. Compared to my original post, see the contrast six months makes.

by **JBG** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:22 pm

I honestly hope we have finally done the right thing. Everyone is positive now, but I hope we're not all back here in 2006 giving out about Benitez and how he's destroyed our club!

Big clubs sometimes get things very wrong (Man UTD waited something like 26 years to win the league again, Arsenal something like 18) and can be in the doldrums for a very long time, but eventually they get it right. We are going through the same thing that Arsenal went through for most of the 1970s and 1980s, hopefully our down cycle is almost at an end.

by **Dom1** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:49 pm

Woollyback wrote:Still, at least Cheesecakery's f*cked off

dont say that!! :glare:

by **Woollyback** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:03 pm

Dom1 wrote:
Woollyback wrote:Still, at least Cheesecakery's f*cked off

dont say that!!

Already did I'm afraid Dom

So what do you reckon to it all then Dom? What's the blueose slant on what's happening at Anfield? I think most of us here see it the same way as I, Jonny & JBG have said - a masive turnaround in terms of outlook and a real positive feeling that Rafa is a man who's capable of finding that extra gear that eluded Houllier for so long. What's an Everton fan's viewpoint?

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