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Postby Benny The Noon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:15 am

Fowler_E7 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:14 am wrote:
LFC2007 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:09 pm wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:18 pm wrote:I would sooner have Arda Turan anyway ,now there is a player who would smash walls down to sign for us .


Never seen him play, mate, but we surely need to sign at least one of these players of high repute before we can call it a good window -- especially with the business Spurs are doing. Hopefully our apparent refusal to match their bid for Macy Gray is a sign we're confident of still being able to do a deal for one of the other high profile players we've been linked with (Turan, Eriksen, Papadopoulos etc.).


I hope your right but at this point ive got almost no faith in the club to pull of any sort of deal for any high profile player, disappointment after disappointment. I refuse to believe that their arnt any top players who would be keen to sign for us, we need to stop messing about and pay the asking price and wages and get some quality into the side or were gonna stuck in midtable for the foreseeable future.


Sums it up exactly.
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Postby Kenny Kan » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:16 am

I've tried to give our owners the benefit of the doubt after last summers debacle but 3 failed big signings this summer too. I know the window isn't closed yet but I'm starting to come around to Benny's idea about the owners.
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Postby damjan193 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:30 am

Kenny Kan » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:16 am wrote:I've tried to give our owners the benefit of the doubt after last summers debacle but 3 failed big signings this summer too. I know the window isn't closed yet but I'm starting to come around to Benny's idea about the owners.

But we did sign Coutinho and Sturridge - two far better players - in the next transfer window. I understand why the management is cautious about these things and I understand if they think that Willian isn't worth the money.
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Postby Penguins » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:58 am

Yes, even though Coutinho and Sturridge turned out well, it was still at cheap prices. You can't base your strategy at buying players at bargain bin prices and hit the jackpot every time.
More often than not you get Borini type players. Same with Aspas and Alberto. Cheap players but also a gamble. When are we going to buy qualified top class players instead of gambling on cheap bargains?
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Postby eds » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:05 am

Benny The Noon » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:52 pm wrote:Kenny didn't chose either Suarez or Carroll which was the discussion you quoted there.

In the summer window yes he did pick players and Comolli got them so Kenny was involved in those signings

And I guess by your last sentence BR has to go as well ?

Kenny didn't bring in a single player that improved us as a whole except for Suarez (in his time), which you have said had nothing to do with Kenny. Henderson is still debatable, my gut feeling is that he won't be worth the 20m we forked out on him, over the long run.

Although Rodgers has f**ked up big time in choosing Borini and Allen, I don't know whether spending a combined $27m was actually his fault. On top of that I'm not sure whether his "wish-list" for this transfer window was effected by the amount of money he has been given to spend by the " tight-a** " owners we have.

Essentially Coutinho and Sturridge HAVE improved our starting 11 and early days but we will see at the end of the season whether Mignolet is an improvement on Pepe.  So as much as you say Kenny should be have been given a chance to stay another season, Rodgers being here (in a so little time) has brought in players that HAVE improved our starting XI.

Which is why I think the owners should back him and not hang him out to dry with this stupidity of not paying over the odds for ANY player.  :no
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Postby damjan193 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:06 am

Penguins » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:58 am wrote:Yes, even though Coutinho and Sturridge turned out well, it was still at cheap prices. You can't base your strategy at buying players at bargain bin prices and hit the jackpot every time.
More often than not you get Borini type players. Same with Aspas and Alberto. Cheap players but also a gamble. When are we going to buy qualified top class players instead of gambling on cheap bargains?
Signing Cissokho on loan says more than any words I can say right now....

Yeah but in that summer we didn't really have a lot to spent, at least it wasn't indicaded that we did. The players that we missed out didn't worth a whole lot of money. Their price was about the same as Coutinho and Sturridge. When we didn't spend the money in the summer because we thought that the players weren't worth it, we spent it in the winter on players which were obviously worth it.
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Postby eds » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:19 am

Another thing I have picked up on from some on here is that we are right in not paying over the odds for a player, for example Willan.

I don't understand why we would offer Anzhi 28m and not try to increase that to 31m if Spurs have put in a bid of 30m.

At least f**king drive the price up for them.  :veryangry
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Postby damjan193 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:33 am

eds » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:19 am wrote:Another thing I have picked up on from some on here is that we are right in not paying over the odds for a player, for example Willan.

I don't understand why we would offer Anzhi 28m and not try to increase that to 31m if Spurs have put in a bid of 30m.

At least f**king drive the price up for them.  :veryangry

I don't think Willian is worth 28m, never mind 31.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:55 am

Liverpool could be forgiven for thinking there is some kind of surveillance system in their scouting department with a direct link to White Hart Lane.

As Brazilian midfielder Willian underwent his Tottenham Hotspur medical, he became the latest in a series of former Anfield targets who had taken a detour to north London.

Liverpool were also interested in Roma’s Erik Lamela, but he too appears to be heading into the arms of Andre Villas-Boas.


On deadline day a year ago it was Clint Dempsey, Liverpool’s summer long chase ending at the 11th hour when the American international left Fulham. A few weeks earlier Gylfi Sigurddson opted for a more lucrative contract at Spurs, much to the despair of Brendan Rodgers who had managed the Icelandic international at Swansea.

Go back another 12 months and even Liverpool’s efforts to sign Brad Friedel as back-up to Pepe Reina were undone when Harry Redknapp convinced the American he would get more first-team action at Tottenham.

It was even suggested Liverpool had to fight off Spurs late move for Daniel Sturridge last December.

The gag on Merseyside is Melwood is currently being swept for bugging devices marked with a cockerel crest, although when they are discovered Rodgers will simply whisper the names of numerous duff targets in the hope Villas-Boas blows the rest of the Gareth Bale cash on less coveted players.

The reality, of course, is less to do with Spurs discreetly shadowing Liverpool’s every move and more a consequence of two clubs operating in the same market, for similar calibre stars, with the same ambitions of breaking the Champions League stranglehold the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea and Arsenal currently hold.

For Liverpool to be overlooked for top four teams is understandable, that Spurs are now perceived as a more likely Champions League participant next season is more galling.

It’s an uncomfortable truth which has been creeping up on Liverpool for the past few years – a fact John W. Henry recently acknowledged – that reputation alone is not enough and Liverpool must get back into Europe to win the off-field as much as on-field scraps.

Henrikh Mkhitaryan delivered the first major blow of the summer, joining the Champions League runners-up Borussia Dortmund.

Two weeks ago, Diego Costa and his representatives expertly exploited serious Liverpool interest to secure a new deal at Atletico Madrid.

Steven Jovetic also met Liverpool representatives prior to accepting a move to Manchester City.

There is a tendency to look beyond the most obvious reason for why this has happened, but the fact is joining Liverpool is not the summit of the ambitions of every top footballer. Spurs, even if their current European participation is of the less glamorous variety, are currently a bigger draw.

It’s not simply about finances and it is certainly not about the ambition of the owners who are eager to spend but will not compromise on their refusal to repeat past mistakes of overpaying for underperformance.

In all these summer deals, Liverpool are not just paying the price for finishing 7th, 6th, 8th and 7th in successive seasons, but also for all those high-profile transfer failures which Henry has scrutinised in detail.

He is adamant that, while more time consuming, the current approach of standing firm on valuations will yield longer term stability and success. In both the Willian and Mkhitaryan cases Liverpool thought a deal was in place but were then asked for more money when a rival entered the bidding. That said, both players would have been at Anfield if that’s what they really wanted.

Now the club is assessing other targets, prepared to shrug off dissent at losing Willian.

“A year ago we were getting slaughtered for not signing Dempsey. Would anyone suggest walking away was not the correct move now?” was how one Liverpool official put it.

Indeed, Henry felt compelled to write a letter of explanation following that withdrawal.

Liverpool bought Coutinho and Daniel Sturridge instead of Dempsey and Sigurdsson. If their scouts deliver similarly sound alternatives the blow of losing another target to Tottenham will be softened.

Liverpool centre-half Sebastian Coates could miss most of this season with a cruciate knee injury.

The Uruguayan, who Liverpool were hoping to sell to raise further funds, has undergone tests for the injury which, if confirmed, would wreck his chances of senior football for the foreseeable future.

It’s believed he suffered the knock on international duty last week.
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Postby ethanr » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:22 am

Sig- offered more money
Dempsey- offered Fulham more money
Willian- offered Anzi more money.

Are we seeing a trend?

There's no in depth analysis to do. At the end of the day, it all comes down to who offers more money.
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Postby Kenny Kan » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:02 am

damjan193 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:30 pm wrote:
Kenny Kan » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:16 am wrote:I've tried to give our owners the benefit of the doubt after last summers debacle but 3 failed big signings this summer too. I know the window isn't closed yet but I'm starting to come around to Benny's idea about the owners.

But we did sign Coutinho and Sturridge - two far better players - in the next transfer window. I understand why the management is cautious about these things and I understand if they think that Willian isn't worth the money.


That's not the point. By January we were well out of the race for fourth and relying on a skeleton squad to make do.

Is the same going to happen again this year because our owners are too busy looking after their profits, rather than investing it back into the team?

Time will tell, but going on their track record I won't be holding my breath.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:41 am

LFC2007 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:09 am wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:18 pm wrote:I would sooner have Arda Turan anyway ,now there is a player who would smash walls down to sign for us .


Never seen him play, mate, but we surely need to sign at least one of these players of high repute before we can call it a good window -- especially with the business Spurs are doing. Hopefully our apparent refusal to match their bid for Macy Gray is a sign we're confident of still being able to do a deal for one of the other high profile players we've been linked with (Turan, Eriksen, Papadopoulos etc.).


Turan would be a good signing - a big Liverpool fan as well - spoken so many times that its his dream to play for us

Muniain is also there - quality young player

Plus players like Yarmelenko , Griezmann ( Sociedad prob going through to CL group stages though ) , Dzageov. 

There are players out there that could definitely improve us.

Also like the talk of Will Hughes - would like to see us sort that deal then loan him straight back for a season maybe two.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:48 am

Kenny Kan » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:02 am wrote:
damjan193 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:30 pm wrote:
Kenny Kan » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:16 am wrote:I've tried to give our owners the benefit of the doubt after last summers debacle but 3 failed big signings this summer too. I know the window isn't closed yet but I'm starting to come around to Benny's idea about the owners.

But we did sign Coutinho and Sturridge - two far better players - in the next transfer window. I understand why the management is cautious about these things and I understand if they think that Willian isn't worth the money.


That's not the point. By January we were well out of the race for fourth and relying on a skeleton squad to make do.

Is the same going to happen again this year because our owners are too busy looking after their profits, rather than investing it back into the team?

Time will tell, but going on their track record I won't be holding my breath.


The good thing about the signings in Jan for the owners  - they werent overpriced - We could have had Sturridge in the August but at £18mil - owners wouldnt sanction that deal.

Who is deciding the value of the players from our perspective ? The owners ? They already have claimed they know nothing ? BR - possibly. The scouting team ?

It's where I think an established DoF would help us massively - someone who knows football and not just finance.

As much as I don't rate BR as a manager yet - he is being crippled by the owners, they cut his legs away last summer with the Carroll/ Dempsey saga and now it appears its happening again.
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Postby Kenny Kan » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:18 am

The good thing about the signings in Jan for the owners  - they werent overpriced - We could have had Sturridge in the August but at £18mil - owners wouldnt sanction that deal.

Who is deciding the value of the players from our perspective ? The owners ? They already have claimed they know nothing ? BR - possibly. The scouting team ?

It's where I think an established DoF would help us massively - someone who knows football and not just finance.

As much as I don't rate BR as a manager yet - he is being crippled by the owners, they cut his legs away last summer with the Carroll/ Dempsey saga and now it appears its happening again.


As much as I rate BR as a manager - he is being crippled by the owners, they cut his legs away last summer with the Carroll/ Dempsey saga and now it appears its happening again.

I think this is the difference between our opinions on Rodgers^^(I personally don't like the way you dismiss him, similar to how you got your back up over Reina). The owners, well, I've always sat on the fence about - I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but I'm starting to slip off that fence and join the cynical side now - and with 'good' reason too.

I notice your not ignoring me anymore  :D
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Postby Benny The Noon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:27 am

As a coach I think he is very talented - has proven that but being a manager is different and so far I as a manager I just don't rate him yet or the tactics employed - for many reasons that have been mentioned many times.

The owners I have been very wary since what happened last summer. I still think they are willing to sell us.
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