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Kenny Kan » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:35 pm wrote:

Not where you're concerned though - I've already proven that when I stumbled across your pearler. 

my favorite quote has to be

Downing , Adam and Henderson are signings which improve our team and squad and will help us get back into the top 4     

 

And its something that didnt work out -

Im not the only person to be happy with something only for it not to work out am i Kewell - Im pretty sure you yourself have come up with some statements that have turned out to not work out - Take your pick from any statement you made slating Rafa and demanding he was sacked - that worked out well didnt it.

People in glasshouses Kewell - very relevant for you.

But its good that you arrive into the thread and add so much too it ( as per usual )

Again, like I said before Benny, with you it's not necessarily the players you rate that blurs your reasoning, it's the manager. You like Dalglish (we all do) so you like his average expensive flops. You find it hard to be objective because these players haven't got us anywhere near top 4 but you rate them more because they were Dalglish buys - as though it's some kind of loyal act towards the man.

I'd bet my mortgage on it had Rodgers spent that kind of money on them you'd be trolling this board 10 fold with negative posts about his poor signings. Your doing it now with a bloke who isn't even half the price of Downing and moaning about this. Had Dalglish signed Aspas you'd be happy with it.   

Your love or loathe of a manager determines how you view the individual players they buy.

End of.

for now, no doubt

Are you happy with every signing BR has made ?

I don't think Aspas is much - his career so far suggests to me that he will do nothing in the prem.

As for judging signings purely on the manager - I though Coutinho was and will prove to be a cracking signing - but how can I when BR signing him ? That sort if disproves any point you are making - I rate a BR signing - I think a BR signing, can you see that fact ?

I will still take Downing over Aspas.

All these points you are trying to prove just because I'm not over the moon about us signing someone who I think will do nothing for us ? What happens when I'm delighted in us signing someone like Pappa or Henrik or even Alberto or Ilodra ? All players who are either proven or highly rated ? What happens to your "theory" then.

I expect when it does happen you will be silent as a mouse as your "theory" will be silent. As will no doubt be your little lemmings.

redno7 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:10 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:04 pm wrote: I don't think Aspas is the type we need - it's that simple.

I don't think Aspas will amount to anything with us - simple as that and I hope our future signings this summer are of better proven standard.

based on what? he could amount to nothing, he could have an average season, he could turn out to be the bargain of the year! He could light the world up for all we know and for all you know. so what your saying is neither right or wrong.

I'm not saying its either right or wrong - I'm just giving my opinion on a player. And in basing it on his career so far

babu » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:32 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:17 am wrote:

7_Kewell » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:09 pm wrote:Benny, you add nothing to any thread you post in.

Most on here (me included) think you're a manc windup.

Yes i have posted on a Liverpool Forum for over 5 years because im an Manc Windup - i massively a  Rafa and Kenny fan because im a manc windup. I was that devastated when Rafa was sacked because im a manc windup ( i should have been delighted like the true Liverpool fans like you eh ? ) , i was even more devastated that they sacked Kenny because im a manc windup ( again i should have shown more glee like the true Liverpool fans like you ).

Yes you have got me Kewell - i have supported Liverpool for over 30 years because im a manc windup. 

Benny at risk of spamming this forum with the same post in multiple threads, you did not address the first statement, which I think is more important.

you add nothing but tedium.

I'm in good company on here there

I suppose it's a bit different than some just looking to start a flame war as opposed to actually talking about football.

but thats not a fair way to base it on though is it? He's only played lower division football in Spain, just like Keegan only played lower division football in Doncaster. You can't sit there and say to me that you think he'll be a flop based on his career so far? come on Benny, even your not that daft

redno7 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:16 pm wrote:but thats not a fair way to base it on though is it? He's only played lower division football in Spain, just like Keegan only played lower division football in Doncaster. You can't sit there and say to me that you think he'll be a flop based on his career so far? come on Benny, even your not that daft

Why isn't it fair ?

That's all we can judge it on - he is 25 and halfway through his career and not been spotted yet ? Maybe that suggests he isn't that good - not even a sniff of international recognition

And Keegan was a 20year old kid - in no way is that comparable

Benny The Noon » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:13 pm wrote:

redno7 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:10 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:04 pm wrote: I don't think Aspas is the type we need - it's that simple.

I don't think Aspas will amount to anything with us - simple as that and I hope our future signings this summer are of better proven standard.

based on what? he could amount to nothing, he could have an average season, he could turn out to be the bargain of the year! He could light the world up for all we know and for all you know. so what your saying is neither right or wrong.

I'm not saying its either right or wrong - I'm just giving my opinion on a player. And in basing it on his career so far

So in that case all young players must be cr@p then, as they have not proved anything in their careers yet!. With logic like that thank god your not a scout for us you utter utter clown. now please do the forum a favour and shut the f up, every damn thread gets ruined with you going on and on and on.

Benny The Noon » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:11 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:35 pm wrote:

Not where you're concerned though - I've already proven that when I stumbled across your pearler. 

my favorite quote has to be

Downing , Adam and Henderson are signings which improve our team and squad and will help us get back into the top 4     

 

And its something that didnt work out -

Im not the only person to be happy with something only for it not to work out am i Kewell - Im pretty sure you yourself have come up with some statements that have turned out to not work out - Take your pick from any statement you made slating Rafa and demanding he was sacked - that worked out well didnt it.

People in glasshouses Kewell - very relevant for you.

But its good that you arrive into the thread and add so much too it ( as per usual )

Again, like I said before Benny, with you it's not necessarily the players you rate that blurs your reasoning, it's the manager. You like Dalglish (we all do) so you like his average expensive flops. You find it hard to be objective because these players haven't got us anywhere near top 4 but you rate them more because they were Dalglish buys - as though it's some kind of loyal act towards the man.

I'd bet my mortgage on it had Rodgers spent that kind of money on them you'd be trolling this board 10 fold with negative posts about his poor signings. Your doing it now with a bloke who isn't even half the price of Downing and moaning about this. Had Dalglish signed Aspas you'd be happy with it.   

Your love or loathe of a manager determines how you view the individual players they buy.

End of.

for now, no doubt

Are you happy with every signing BR has made ?

I don't think Aspas is much - his career so far suggests to me that he will do nothing in the prem.

As for judging signings purely on the manager - I though Coutinho was and will prove to be a cracking signing - but how can I when BR signing him ? That sort if disproves any point you are making - I rate a BR signing - I think a BR signing, can you see that fact ?

I will still take Downing over Aspas.

All these points you are trying to prove just because I'm not over the moon about us signing someone who I think will do nothing for us ? What happens when I'm delighted in us signing someone like Pappa or Henrik or even Alberto or Ilodra ? All players who are either proven or highly rated ? What happens to your "theory" then.

I expect when it does happen you will be silent as a mouse as your "theory" will be silent. As will no doubt be your little lemmings.

Your attitude to writing a player off before he has started is stupid, LIverpool's history has been littered with punts on players who are largely unknown.

Sami Hyypia
Danny Murphy
Luis Garcia

to name just a few

Also to any of you who need your daily dose of irony, check back at look at Benny's posts (benny-the-noon-u10020-posts.html) from a few years back and then try not to laugh when he accuses you of throwing insults his way.

Benny The Noon » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:32 pm wrote:

redno7 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:16 pm wrote:but thats not a fair way to base it on though is it? He's only played lower division football in Spain, just like Keegan only played lower division football in Doncaster. You can't sit there and say to me that you think he'll be a flop based on his career so far? come on Benny, even your not that daft

Why isn't it fair ?

That's all we can judge it on - he is 25 and halfway through his career and not been spotted yet ? Maybe that suggests he isn't that good - not even a sniff of international recognition

And Keegan was a 20year old kid - in no way is that comparable

and how old was Suarez when we signed him? Why hadn't he been "snapped up"? You are talking complete cr@p, just admit it and for once and back down with some dignity in tact.

Suarez was an international footballer who was playing in World Cup semi finals for his country and smashing scoring records in the Dutch League for Ajax !!

heimdall » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:35 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:13 pm wrote:

redno7 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:10 pm wrote:
based on what? he could amount to nothing, he could have an average season, he could turn out to be the bargain of the year! He could light the world up for all we know and for all you know. so what your saying is neither right or wrong.

I'm not saying its either right or wrong - I'm just giving my opinion on a player. And in basing it on his career so far

So in that case all young players must be cr@p then, as they have not proved anything in their careers yet!. With logic like that thank god your not a scout for us you utter utter clown. now please do the forum a favour and shut the f up, every damn thread gets ruined with you going on and on and on.

This guy is not a "young player" this guy has been playing professional football for nearly 10 years already

Im sure you can see the difference between the two players ?

SouthCoastShankly » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:35 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:11 pm wrote:
And its something that didnt work out -

Im not the only person to be happy with something only for it not to work out am i Kewell - Im pretty sure you yourself have come up with some statements that have turned out to not work out - Take your pick from any statement you made slating Rafa and demanding he was sacked - that worked out well didnt it.

People in glasshouses Kewell - very relevant for you.

But its good that you arrive into the thread and add so much too it ( as per usual )

Again, like I said before Benny, with you it's not necessarily the players you rate that blurs your reasoning, it's the manager. You like Dalglish (we all do) so you like his average expensive flops. You find it hard to be objective because these players haven't got us anywhere near top 4 but you rate them more because they were Dalglish buys - as though it's some kind of loyal act towards the man.

I'd bet my mortgage on it had Rodgers spent that kind of money on them you'd be trolling this board 10 fold with negative posts about his poor signings. Your doing it now with a bloke who isn't even half the price of Downing and moaning about this. Had Dalglish signed Aspas you'd be happy with it.   

Your love or loathe of a manager determines how you view the individual players they buy.

End of.

for now, no doubt

Are you happy with every signing BR has made ?

I don't think Aspas is much - his career so far suggests to me that he will do nothing in the prem.

As for judging signings purely on the manager - I though Coutinho was and will prove to be a cracking signing - but how can I when BR signing him ? That sort if disproves any point you are making - I rate a BR signing - I think a BR signing, can you see that fact ?

I will still take Downing over Aspas.

All these points you are trying to prove just because I'm not over the moon about us signing someone who I think will do nothing for us ? What happens when I'm delighted in us signing someone like Pappa or Henrik or even Alberto or Ilodra ? All players who are either proven or highly rated ? What happens to your "theory" then.

I expect when it does happen you will be silent as a mouse as your "theory" will be silent. As will no doubt be your little lemmings.[/quote]

Your attitude to writing a player off before he has started is stupid, LIverpool's history has been littered with punts on players who are largely unknown.

Sami Hyypia
Danny Murphy
Luis Garcia

to name just a few

Also to any of you who need your daily dose of irony, check back at look at Benny's posts (benny-the-noon-u10020-posts.html) from a few years back and then try not to laugh when he accuses you of throwing insults his way.[/quote]

Danny Murphy was a 20 year old kid from Crewe who had represented England at every level up to England U21 when we bought him

Luis Garcia had been playing in the Spanish Top Div for 8 years including seasons at Barcelona and Atletico Madrid to his name before we bought him

Sami Hyypia was a full international who was his teams player of the year whilst getting them into the CL

The difference between the players is vast.

Show me another 25 year old we have bought after one season of top flight football and nothing on the International scene who has gone on to succeed ? Instead of trying to imagine links with other players we have bought

If you want to compare Aspas to some players try Adam , Ricketts , even Nugent.

Benny The Noon » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:54 pm wrote:Are you happy with every signing BR has made ?

has the window shut now? sh!t, we're rubbish.

redno7 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:58 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:54 pm wrote:Are you happy with every signing BR has made ?

has the window shut now? sh!t, we're rubbish.

I'm sorry but what's the relevance ?

The window hasn't even opened but that shouldn't stop people showing an opinion when the club spend a decent amount of money on a player.

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Monaco are ready to make a world record €100m (£85m) bid for Real Madrid's Cristiano Ronaldo.

Ronaldo has just two years left on his contract at Madrid and is known to be disillusioned with life at the Santiago Bernabeu, at the end of his fourth season there.

The Ligue 1 club, funded by Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev, have already spent over £110m this summer on Radamel Falcao of Atletico Madrid and James Rodriguez and Joao Moutinho of Porto. They are now prepared to make their boldest move yet, taking advantage of the Portuguese forward's frustration at Madrid, and failure to sign a new deal, to tempt him to join with a world record salary offer of €20m (£17m) per year.

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Monaco are closely monitoring Ronaldo's negotiations with Real Madrid over a contract extension, and if no deal is done by late July or August they will make their move. There have been talks between Monaco and Ronaldo's camp over the last 18 months and the two parties met earlier this year.

Ronaldo feels underappreciated at Madrid and believes he is due a pay rise. He is especially keen to earn more than his great rival Lionel Messi at Barcelona. In February of this year, Messi signed a new contract with Barcelona that will last until 2018, heavily incentivised but with a basic salary starting at €12m per year, but increased through bonuses and image rights.

Monaco will offer Ronaldo an annual salary of €20m, which would equate to nearly £330,000 per week. The principality of Monaco does not charge its residents income tax and so Ronaldo would become the highest-paid footballer in the world.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who would be his Ligue 1 rival at Paris Saint-Germain, has a net salary of between €13m and €14m but because of France's near 75 per cent tax rate on top earners, Paris have to pay out far more than that. Monaco would face no such issue.

This summer, since their promotion back to Ligue 1, Monaco have spent more than £100m on players, all of whom are clients of Ronaldo's agent, Jorge Mendes. Their summer spending started with a combined £60m on the Porto pair Rodriguez and Moutinho – both of whom are Mendes players, as is Ricardo Carvalho, formerly of Chelsea and Real Madrid, who arrived on a free transfer.

Their next purchase was Falcao, the Colombian forward who joined from Atletico Madrid for a fee of roughly £50m, and will be paid £12m annually. Victor Valdes, the Barcelona goalkeeper, is likely to be the next arrival. They have also been linked with John Terry.

Monaco would have to bid another world record fee for Ronaldo, as Real Madrid would be keen to make back the €95m (£80m) which they paid Manchester United for him in 2009. United are also keen on Ronaldo's signature this summer, with the player himself open to the possibility of returning to Old Trafford, where he enjoyed six brilliant seasons between 2003 and 2009. There has also been ongoing dialogue between Ronaldo's camp and United over the past six months.

Ronaldo has scored an implausible 199 goals in 201 games at Real Madrid since his arrival from Manchester United in 2009. Only the feats of Messi at Barcelona have stopped Ronaldo from being recognised as the undisputed player of his generation.

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I hate listening to you negative b'stards who say LFC can't compete..... 

Monaco had a budget of 200million this summer !!

That's unreal