Liverpool FC Forum

The loan will be to build the stadium or redevelop Anfield ! Just like they did with Fenway park .

Or they will get loans from the bank

Why don't they build the stadium themselves the tight fisted gits?

Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:30 pm wrote:

the lone wolf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:06 am wrote:
Do we need to spend millions upon millions - NO - but we do need to purchase the right man for the right job - simple

Are you suggesting thatr Rodgers isn't the right man for the job?

My suggestions of BR have been made clear in that particular forum. My reference to the right man at the right time was aimed at playing personnel.
E.G. - do we need a striker with euro experience and quality?

Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:57 pm wrote:Why don't they build the stadium themselves the tight fisted gits?

Honestly - why should they?
If a person buys a house and becomes the owner - it does not automatically mean that the owner will pay for a new boiler out right. He or she may decide to gain a loan (at the cheapest rate possible) in order to make house improvements. This way their money isn't soaked up with necessities and can be used to E.G. go to the cinema after a great meal for two...
It isn't that difficult to imagine FSG board all prefering to enjoy their money (which has been worked hard for) somewhere on a sunny beach - than pay for a couple of knew football stands in a country that they have little in common with and spend little or no time in - no brainer!!

the lone wolf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:27 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:57 pm wrote:Why don't they build the stadium themselves the tight fisted gits?

Honestly - why should they?
If a person buys a house and becomes the owner - it does not automatically mean that the owner will pay for a new boiler out right. He or she may decide to gain a loan (at the cheapest rate possible) in order to make house improvements. This way their money isn't soaked up with necessities and can be used to E.G. go to the cinema after a great meal for two...
It isn't that difficult to imagine FSG board all prefering to enjoy their money (which has been worked hard for) somewhere on a sunny beach - than pay for a couple of knew football stands in a country that they have little in common with and spend little or no time in - no brainer!!

It's not even that.

I get the impression Boxscarf is envious of Man City.

He/She seems to misunderstand that very rarely are clubs in a position where the owner has bottomless pits of money and will spend without justification.

Even if FSG fronted the cash, do you not think they might like it back at sometime? Even if that is through revenue dividends, or should they not be paid?

the lone wolf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:20 pm wrote:
My suggestions of BR have been made clear in that particular forum. My reference to the right man at the right time was aimed at playing personnel.
E.G. - do we need a striker with euro experience and quality?

I'd say we need a striker who knows how to find the back of the net on a regular basis and the younger he is the better as far as I'm concerned. I'm hoping we have unearthed a gem in Samed Yesil who appears to have the magic touch for his national side albeit at youth level.

Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:38 pm wrote:

the lone wolf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:20 pm wrote:
My suggestions of BR have been made clear in that particular forum. My reference to the right man at the right time was aimed at playing personnel.
E.G. - do we need a striker with euro experience and quality?

I'd say we need a striker who knows how to find the back of the net on a regular basis and the younger he is the better as far as I'm concerned. I'm hoping we have unearthed a gem in Samed Yesil who appears to have the magic touch for his national side albeit at youth level.

AGREED! Much better than spending zillions on hope and hope alone!

SouthCoastShankly » Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:37 pm wrote:

the lone wolf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:27 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:57 pm wrote:Why don't they build the stadium themselves the tight fisted gits?

Honestly - why should they?
If a person buys a house and becomes the owner - it does not automatically mean that the owner will pay for a new boiler out right. He or she may decide to gain a loan (at the cheapest rate possible) in order to make house improvements. This way their money isn't soaked up with necessities and can be used to E.G. go to the cinema after a great meal for two...
It isn't that difficult to imagine FSG board all prefering to enjoy their money (which has been worked hard for) somewhere on a sunny beach - than pay for a couple of knew football stands in a country that they have little in common with and spend little or no time in - no brainer!!

It's not even that.

I get the impression Boxscarf is envious of Man City.

He/She seems to misunderstand that very rarely are clubs in a position where the owner has bottomless pits of money and will spend without justification.

Even if FSG fronted the cash, do you not think they might like it back at sometime? Even if that is through revenue dividends, or should they not be paid?

EXACTLY - At some point in the future ALL football fans will need to realise this key point. Owners deducting revenue from the club to line its own pocket. Manure have to live with it, so again they are ahead of EVERYONE!
It's a fact and ALL football fans need to expect - except - respect this basic business right.

SouthCoastShankly » Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:37 pm wrote:
I get the impression Boxscarf is envious of Man City.

He/She seems to misunderstand that very rarely are clubs in a position where the owner has bottomless pits of money and will spend without justification.

Even if FSG fronted the cash, do you not think they might like it back at sometime? Even if that is through revenue dividends, or should they not be paid?

I'm not at all envious of Manchester City.

What I am frustrated with is the chronic lack of investment in playing staff since I have been a Liverpool supporter. We never have the full set of players needed to consistently challenge for anything and when we do, our owners are two profiteering cowboys and things go belly up. We've been promised a new stadium since 2001 and fast forward 11 years later and we're still at the drawing board. It's things like this which annoy me.

We're always planning for the future at this football and when the future finally becomes present, everyone's disappointed and we prolong things again. What also annoys me with this football club is how we never back our manager in the transfer market. Evans, Benitez and Rodgers so far since I've supported the club and that to me is unacceptable, that's what angers me the most, so no it has nothing to do with Man City.

Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:00 pm wrote:

SouthCoastShankly » Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:37 pm wrote:
I get the impression Boxscarf is envious of Man City.

He/She seems to misunderstand that very rarely are clubs in a position where the owner has bottomless pits of money and will spend without justification.

Even if FSG fronted the cash, do you not think they might like it back at sometime? Even if that is through revenue dividends, or should they not be paid?

I'm not at all envious of Manchester City.

What I am frustrated with is the chronic lack of investment in playing staff since I have been a Liverpool supporter. We never have the full set of players needed to consistently challenge for anything and when we do, our owners are two profiteering cowboys and things go belly up. We've been promised a new stadium since 2001 and fast forward 11 years later and we're still at the drawing board. It's things like this which annoy me.

We're always planning for the future at this football and when the future finally becomes present, everyone's disappointed and we prolong things again. What also annoys me with this football club is how we never back our manager in the transfer market. Evans, Benitez and Rodgers so far since I've supported the club and that to me is unacceptable, that's what angers me the most, so no it has nothing to do with Man City.

For all the years I have supported LFC i've NEVER known the owners NOT to back its manager - not ONCE!
I suggest that you buy a couple of dvd's perhaps 2005 CL Final as it is current and up to date - take heart from it and live by what you watch. For this game alone is a stand out understanding of what supporting LFC is about in modern times - Also, learn from life long fans from the 60's and 70's who will give you in depth knowledge of the support that LFC is afforded day in, day out.

Times are hard, and times change and change again it will. But our hearts never change!!!!!!!!

Moores never backed Evans when Evans wanted to bring in Desailly and Thuram. Apparently it wasn't that we couldn't afford the transfer fees for both players, we couldn't afford their wages. As for Benitez, the way he wasn't backed in the transfer market was beyond a joke, it happened under Moores and Parry and the two Cowboys. There are numerous examples of Benitez not being backed - Vidic and Evra under Parry & Moores and Jovetic, Silva and Villa under the Cowboys. It has happened and it seems to have happened with Rodgers with the whole Clint Dempsey affair.

You might well be a sunshiner, but I am not a sunshiner and our record in the transfer market since 1990 has been incredibly poor. We've flushed hundreds of millions down the toilet on absolute rubbish.

Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:15 pm wrote:Moores never backed Evans when Evans wanted to bring in Desailly and Thuram. Apparently it wasn't that we couldn't afford the transfer fees for both players, we couldn't afford their wages. As for Benitez, the way he wasn't backed in the transfer market was beyond a joke, it happened under Moores and Parry and the two Cowboys. There are numerous examples of Benitez not being backed - Vidic and Evra under Parry & Moores and Jovetic, Silva and Villa under the Cowboys. It has happened and it seems to have happened with Rodgers with the whole Clint Dempsey affair.

You might well be a sunshiner, but I am not a sunshiner and our record in the transfer market since 1990 has been incredibly poor. We've flushed hundreds of millions down the toilet on absolute rubbish.

To quote; "We've flushed hundreds of millions down the toilet on absolute rubbish."
AND state that the 'manager' since 1990 has never been backed? I understand the frustration but at least show consistency to your woe...

the lone wolf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:44 pm wrote:

To quote; "We've flushed hundreds of millions down the toilet on absolute rubbish."
AND state that the 'manager' since 1990 has never been backed? I understand the frustration but at least show consistency to your woe...

Which statements are wrong? We have flushed hundreds of millions down the toilet and our managers haven't always been backed. I have given you four examples of our managers not being backed, would you like to me to make a complete list of all the poor transfers we've made?

Id rather the owners redeveloped the main stand with their cash, and put the rest into the team. 300m +  loans on a new stadium will engulf the club in debt.

Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:49 pm wrote:

the lone wolf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:44 pm wrote:

To quote; "We've flushed hundreds of millions down the toilet on absolute rubbish."
AND state that the 'manager' since 1990 has never been backed? I understand the frustration but at least show consistency to your woe...

Which statements are wrong? We have flushed hundreds of millions down the toilet and our managers haven't always been backed. I have given you four examples of our managers not being backed, would you like to me to make a complete list of all the poor transfers we've made?

- never being back reads differently to - haven't always been backed.
- flushed hundreds of millions down the toilet - many teams have done this - RANGERS & LEEDS are epic examples - do you want this for LFC?
- ALL teams have made poor decisions in the transfer market - this is a part of the game we all love, isn't it?

For all your list of poor transfers can be made - an equivelant list can be made a the good ones, can't it?

FOR a start I could list the entire 2004/5 squad - may not be the most popular or the greatest ever esembled on paper - but they came away with THE GOLDEN prize.

It is easy to be subjective - objectivity isn't as easy, would you not agree?