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Benny, did you not think we were the better team yesterday?

Kenny Kan » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:52 pm wrote:Benny, did you not think we were the better team yesterday?

For the first 40 mins we had better possession and looked to have more control of the game without looking threatening then we had a spell when we scored when we played better - overall we just shaded it but regardless of refs errors we still didn't do enough

Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:08 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:52 pm wrote:Benny, did you not think we were the better team yesterday?

For the first 40 mins we had better possession and looked to have more control of the game without looking threatening then we had a spell when we scored when we played better - overall we just shaded it but regardless of refs errors we still didn't do enough

The refs errors had a significant affect on the game. There are things that are out of the hands of the manager and players, and the refs own game is one of them. We bossed that game for 40mins, and even though we didn't score during that period (which isn't the end of the world considering 50mins remained), the refs decision from that moment on meant it was going to be an uphill battle, something that never looked on the cards prior to the sending off. Even with ten men we managed to take the lead, impetus was still with us. Halsey then made sure they were going home with 3 points after awarding a shambolic decision of a pen. Considering it ended up practically 10 v 12, I thought we played really well and take heart from that.

Rimetto » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:05 am wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:30 am wrote:4 wins on the trot ?!

There is no evidence to suggest that can and will happen - we can't score goals and we can't stop goals. For all our good play yesterday we still didn't create enough.

Things need to change and change quickly or the season will just get worse.

i'm sorry i must have been mistaken but have we not scored 7 goals in the last 3 games ? and just outplayed the now favorites for the PL (not my odds by the way) with 10 men.
Maybe instead of moaning and being negative like the media and press are about liverpool you could get behind the team?
Yes our position at the moment is not great but to think we are going to stay there is ridiculous at this moment in time.

Youre in the minority Im afraid mate
On here, on phone ins, in the press, on the radio, on the tv, down the pub, on the street, everywhere people are whinging and moaning about what they think is wrong with LFC. They have the right to express their opinion and have no embarrassment whatsoever in letting others know what theyre thinking. We also have the wisest ones in this forum who state the bleeding obvious as if we dont know the situation we are in. "We are in the bottom three with as many points as a cocktail stick"
We know. We really know. Honestly. Nobody can deny were in sh'it street without a paddle, nobody is fooling themselves that we are doing fantastically well, or is deluded enough to think that we are one player away from being Barcelona. But moaning will do absolutely fu'ck all to change this situation. Nothing, not one thing will benefit the club by persistantly, consistantly, endlessly going on, ad nauseum about where we are and why were here. In fact it causes more anxiety, frustration and anger which then has a negative effect on the manager and the players, so we will get steadily worse as the dissenters voices grow and the biggest kn'obheads boo.
How do you stop it? Fu'ck knows because these people are entrenched in their beliefs and adamant in their undeniable right to say what they want, when they want. Pointless and useless as it is, it is unstoppable and will not cease unless and until we are back in the top four (even then some will still moan).
We have our darkest days ahead of us and instead of telling us what we already know, maybe they should just get behind the team and encourage the players and the manager? A lot to ask, I know, but it can be done if people want to do it.
My heart says "yes they can" but my head  says "no chance"...

Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:08 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:52 pm wrote:Benny, did you not think we were the better team yesterday?

For the first 40 mins we had better possession and looked to have more control of the game without looking threatening then we had a spell when we scored when we played better - overall we just shaded it but regardless of refs errors we still didn't do enough

Just Shaded it ?

even Fergie said they we were the better team and wasn't happy with the way they played.

on your point regarding the 5 being in the Europa league. it's all relevant at this moment in time especially as the team adjust to the new tactics of BR and try to gain confidence in themselves and the system. Goals breed goals no matter what competition it's in. Especially when it seems the team can do no good in the eyes of supporters like yourself who for some reason can not find it within themselves to support the team and MANAGER during this time of transition.

In sorry child but where have i stated that I'm not supporting BR ?

Just because people are critical doesnt mean they aren't going to be supportive when that first whistle goes.

Rimetto » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:23 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:08 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:52 pm wrote:Benny, did you not think we were the better team yesterday?

For the first 40 mins we had better possession and looked to have more control of the game without looking threatening then we had a spell when we scored when we played better - overall we just shaded it but regardless of refs errors we still didn't do enough

Just Shaded it ?

even Fergie said they we were the better team and wasn't happy with the way they played.

on your point regarding the 5 being in the Europa league. it's all relevant at this moment in time especially as the team adjust to the new tactics of BR and try to gain confidence in themselves and the system. Goals breed goals no matter what competition it's in. Especially when it seems the team can do no good in the eyes of supporters like yourself who for some reason can not find it within themselves to support the team and MANAGER during this time of transition.

Seriously, you are wasting your time.
Criticism is the new praise!

It's a blessing in disguise, not having so many new signings because as a result, we're seeing more of the academy players who have been touted to be the next big thing for years, finally get their chance. Sterling, Suso, Morgan, Wisdom, Kelly are all seeing more playing time this season so far. Hopefully Adorjan and others follow suit. People fail to realize we have a very young team which has great potential, and a new manager who is bringing a new style of play to a team which has been so unsettled in recent seasons. But oh well, haters gonna hate.

we were by far the better side. united offered nothing whatsoever first half. in the second half even against ten men they hardly controlled the game. reina had nothing to do apart from pick the ball out the net. the red card i can see why it was given but evans should have gone aswell for jumping in two footed. same for van persie and scholes later on in the game. the penalty was soft but if he's giving that then the ones on agger and suarez were stonewall aswell. the refereeing was shockingly inconsistent and favourable in uniteds favour.

that doesn't excuse the fact thaough that we still don't get enough players forward into the penalty area though. there were at least 4 or 5 times yesterday we put good balls in across the area and there was nobody there to attack it.

We're not getting any luck at the minute.  The fixture list was awful to us.
We have a new manager implementing a completely new system and it was always gonna be hard with 2 tricky away games and playing last seasons top 3 in our opening 5 fixture's.
Thats certainly proved to be the case, although Id have liked at least 3 more points at this stage.

Yesterday we didn't have a single decision go our way.  I hate to moan about refs but literally every big call went their way and it cost us at least a point.

in my view, all we are missing is a goalscorer - and we're missing one really badly. the team is playing some lovely football, players like sterling and suso breaking into the first team is hugely exciting and you can see their quality a mile off. we are starting to do the dominating games thing, and we are creating chances. its just hurting us enormously that we right royally fecked up the end of the transfer window and we don't have anyone who is consistently good at just putting the ball in the net.

more worryingly for the immediate future is that kelly is out til the new year, and i wouldn't be at all surprised if its the same with agger. i just hope rodgers has the balls to go with coates instead of carragher.

Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:19 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:05 pm wrote:yesterday was just bad luck, united only had 2 shots on target in the whole 98 minutes and they both went in, whats more one of those was a fullback curling a shot in off the post from a tight angle with his wrong foot and the other was a soft pen. you know it`s not going to be your day when that sh*t like that starts to happen.
decisions went against us as well, not just the big calls like the sending off or suarez`s pen shout but in general play too, halsey was constantly giving them free kick after free kick for the most innocuous challenges, every time that kawaga recieved the ball he just flopped onto the floor and halsey blew his whistle. at one point he stood up and jogged off laughing.

We had 5 shots on target they had 4

depends on who you read for the stats, but it wasn't as close as 5 shots to 4:

bbc: We had 8 shots on target they had 4

Sky: We had 6 shots on target they had 3

ESPN Soccernet: We had 6 shots on target they had 3

stmichael » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:40 pm wrote:we were by far the better side. united offered nothing whatsoever first half. in the second half even against ten men they hardly controlled the game. reina had nothing to do apart from pick the ball out the net. the red card i can see why it was given but evans should have gone aswell for jumping in two footed. same for van persie and scholes later on in the game. the penalty was soft but if he's giving that then the ones on agger and suarez were stonewall aswell. the refereeing was shockingly inconsistent and favourable in uniteds favour.

that doesn't excuse the fact thaough that we still don't get enough players forward into the penalty area though. there were at least 4 or 5 times yesterday we put good balls in across the area and there was nobody there to attack it.

Spot on
I am so proud that LFC has a long history of fair play and has never encouraged or accepted cheating, but by god I am sorely tempted to embrace it when we have games like yesterday. The only reason they won was by simulation and bad decisions from a referee who was totally out of his depth and bordering on blatant bias towards them cu'nts. They are the biggest cheats in the prem and possibly world football which is one of the main reasons for their success over the years. As you have stated their players went unpunished for their actions whereas ours were quickly and unfairly dealt with. Shelvey was absolutely right to say something to that purple nosed cu'nt and should be applauded for having the balls to do so, far more than the FA, the media and other managers have, thats for sure.

It's not only a competent goalscorer that's needed. There's problems at the other end too. There's 10 goals been put past Pepe. I'll repeat that 10 goals. There's only two other teams with a worse GA.

Liverpool may have been the "better" team yesterday, but overall, that was because Utd were worse. There was decent play for the first half, but Liverpool were far from great, that's for sure. And, if Utd had brought their game with them, the scoreline would have been worse.

There's a serious amount of work needed by all concerned to get things in shape and so far I haven't really seen anything to give much hope.

The next few games are absolutely crucial. But, if Liverpool end up midtable at the end of the season, I'd take that at this stage.

Thommo's perm » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:29 pm wrote:Seriously, you are wasting your time.
Criticism is the new praise!

The other thing that gets on my wick, is forum posters telling other posters that they should not criticise or be negative about the team. We are all entitled to our own opinions, and thats what makes the debate.

Backing the manager in no way means we will play better!!

This topic made me chuckle a bit, in the title "Onwards and Upwards", you forgot to post the possibility of "sideways and backwards" too!, that could well happen also.

We do not have the STRENGTH and DEPTH in our squad, from what I have seen to go on a four game league winning run, so get your facts straight.

Saying we controlled the game yesterday 1st half is a slight distortion of the truth.United were VERY poor in the first half, giving the ball away, looking nervous, not a threat up front, and I was shocked at how bad they were. We were just marginally better. We still didn't have many shots on target, and were hardly a threat in the final third. Same old story.

But saying that by not criticising the manager or team, means we will play better, is a joke.

None of you can honestly tell me, that BR can definately turn it around, as none of you are Pshycic! Some fans didn't want BR to be appointed in the first place, in favour of a more experienced manager at the top level. So why should we back him if we have no faith

Thats like betting on a blind, lame horse in a race. You have no faith in them.

It's up to the LFC players to do the business, not the fans.