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Postby Kenny Kan » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:10 pm

Cameron: "The Liverpool fans were NOT the cause of the disaster"
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Postby Kenny Kan » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:13 pm

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In this case it is absolutely necessary (an apology), ... and my advice to others is to do it (an apology) properly.
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Postby Kenny Kan » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:17 pm

]The families were right: 164 police statements were altered. 31 lives could have been saved. The Sun helped with the cover up.

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Postby Kenny Kan » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:28 pm

Cameron - "after truth, comes justice"  :buttrock
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Postby Kenny Kan » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:32 pm

Cameron - Liverpool fans throughout the world will be affected by this, and it's important that the rest of the country now understands what the search for truth has been all about
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Postby stmichael » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:34 pm

monumental day. this is just the beginning.
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Postby Kenny Kan » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:37 pm

Full account
Hillsborough files: PM David Cameron's Commons statement in full Prime Minister David Cameron has given a statement to Parliament after the release of previously unseen documents relating to the Hillsborough disaster.

Here is his statement in full:

"Today the Bishop of Liverpool, the Rt Reverend James Jones, is publishing the report of the Hillsborough Independent Panel.

The disaster at the Hillsborough football stadium on 15 April 1989 was one of the greatest peacetime tragedies of the last century. Ninety-six people died as a result of a crush in the Leppings Lane Terrace at the FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest.

There was a public inquiry at the time by Lord Justice Taylor which found - and I quote - that the main cause of the disaster was 'a failure of police control'. But the inquiry didn't have access to all the documents that have since become available.

It didn't properly examine the response of the emergency services, it was followed by a deeply controversial inquest and by a media version of events that sought to blame the fans.

As a result, the families have not heard the truth and have not found justice.

That is why the previous government - and in particular - the Rt Hon Member for Leigh was right to set up this panel.

And it is why this government insisted that no stone should be left unturned and that all papers should be made available to the Bishop of Liverpool and his team.

Mr Speaker, in total over 450,000 pages of evidence have been reviewed.

It was right that the families should see the report first.

As a result the government has only had a very limited amount of time to study the evidence so far. But it is already very clear that many of the report's findings are deeply distressing.

There are three areas in particular.

The failure of the authorities to help protect people. The attempt to blame the fans. And the doubt cast on the original coroner' s inquest.

Let me take each in turn.

Findings: Failure of the authorities

First, there is new evidence about how the authorities failed.

There is a trail of new documents which show the extent to which the safety of the crowd at Hillsborough was 'compromised at every level'.

The ground failed to meet minimum standards and the 'deficiencies were well known'.

The turnstiles were inadequate.

The ground capacity had been significantly over-calculated.

The crush barriers failed to meet safety standards.

There had been a crush at exactly the same match the year before.

And today's report shows clearly that lessons had not been learnt.

The report backs up again the key finding of the Taylor Report on police failure.

But it goes further by revealing for the first time the shortcomings of the ambulance and emergency services response.

The major incident plan was not fully implemented.

Rescue attempts were held back by failures of leadership and co-ordination.

And, significantly, new documents today show there was a delay from the emergency services when people were being crushed and killed.

Findings: Attempt to blame the fans

Second, the families have long believed that some of the authorities attempted to create a completely unjust account of events that sought to blame the fans for what happened.

Mr Speaker, the families were right.

The evidence in today's report includes briefings to the media and attempts by the police to change the record of events.

On the media. Several newspapers reported false allegations that fans were drunk and violent and stole from the dead.

The Sun's report sensationalised these allegations under a banner headline "The Truth".

This was clearly wrong and caused huge offence, distress and hurt.

News International has co-operated with the panel and, for the first time, today's report reveals that the source for these despicable untruths was a Sheffield news agency reporting conversations with South Yorkshire Police and Irvine Patnick, the then MP for Sheffield Hallam.

The report finds that this was part of police efforts - and I quote - 'to develop and publicise a version of events that focused on allegations of drunkenness, ticketlessness and violence.'

In terms of changing the record of events, we already know that police reports were significantly altered but the full extent was not drawn to Lord Justice Taylor's attention.

Today's report finds that 164 statements were significantly amended - and 116 explicitly removed negative comments about the policing operation - including its lack of leadership.

The report also makes important findings about particular actions taken by the police and coroner while investigating the deaths.

There is new evidence which shows that police officers carried out police national computer checks on those who had died in an attempt - and I quote from the report - 'to impugn the reputations of the deceased.'

The coroner took blood alcohol levels from all of the deceased including children.

The panel finds no rationale whatsoever for what it regards as an 'exceptional' decision.

The report states clearly that the attempt of the inquest to draw a link between blood alcohol and late arrival was 'fundamentally flawed'.

And that alcohol consumption was 'unremarkable and not exceptional for a social or leisure occasion'.

Mr Speaker, over all these years questions have been raised about the role of the government - including whether it did enough to uncover the truth.

It is certainly true that some of the language in the government papers published today was insensitive.

But having been through every document - and every government document including cabinet minutes will be published - the panel found no evidence of any government trying to conceal the truth.

At the time of the Taylor Report the then prime minister was briefed by her private secretary that the defensive and - I quote - 'close to deceitful' behaviour of senior South Yorkshire officers was 'depressingly familiar'.

And it is clear that the then government thought it right that the chief constable of South Yorkshire should resign.

But as the Rt Hon Member for Leigh has rightly highlighted, governments then and since have simply not done enough to challenge publicly the unjust and untrue narrative that sought to blame the fans.

Findings: Original coroner's inquest

Third, and perhaps most significantly of all, the Bishop of Liverpool's report presents new evidence which casts significant doubt over the adequacy of the original inquest.

The coroner - on the advice of pathologists - believed that victims suffered traumatic asphyxia leading to unconsciousness within seconds and death within a few minutes.

As a result he asserted that beyond 3.15pm there were no actions that could have changed the fate of the victims and he limited the scope of the inquest accordingly.

But by analysing post mortem reports the panel have found that 28 did not have obstruction of blood circulation and 31 had evidence of heart and lungs continuing to function after the crush.

This means that individuals in those groups could have had potentially reversible asphyxia beyond 3.15pm, in contrast to the findings of the coroner and a subsequent judicial review.

And the panel states clearly that 'it is highly likely that what happened to those individuals after 3.15pm was significant' in determining whether they died.

Response

Mr Speaker, the conclusions of this report will be harrowing for many of the families affected.

Anyone who has lost a child knows the pain never leaves you.

But to read a report years afterwards that says - and I quote - 'a swifter, more appropriate, better focused and properly equipped response had the potential to save more lives' can only add to the pain.

It is for the attorney general to decide whether to apply to the High Court to quash the original inquest and seek a new one.

In this capacity he acts independently of government. And he will need to examine the evidence himself.

But it is clear to me that the new evidence in today's report raises vital questions which must be examined.

And the attorney general has assured me that he will examine this new evidence immediately and reach a decision as fast as possible.

But ultimately it is for the High Court to decide.

It is also right that the House should have an opportunity to debate the issues raised in this report fully.

My Rt Hon Friend the home secretary will be taking forward a debate in government time. And this will happen when the House returns in October.

Apology

Mr Speaker, I want to be very clear about the view the government takes about these findings and why after 23 years this matters so much, not just for the families but for Liverpool and for our country as a whole.

Mr Speaker what happened that day - and since - was wrong.

It was wrong that the responsible authorities knew Hillsborough did not meet minimum safety standards and yet still allowed the match to go ahead.

It was wrong that the families have had to wait for so long - and fight so hard - just to get to the truth.

And it was wrong that the police changed the records of what happened and tried to blame the fans.

We ask the police to do difficult and often very dangerous things on our behalf.

And South Yorkshire Police is a very different organisation today from what it was then.

But we do the many, many honourable police men and women a great disservice if we try to defend the indefensible.

It was also wrong that neither Lord Justice Taylor nor the coroner looked properly at the response of the other emergency services.

Again, these are dedicated people who do extraordinary things to serve the public.

But the evidence from today's report makes very difficult reading.

Mr Speaker, with the weight of the new evidence in this report, it is right for me today as prime minister to make a proper apology to the families of the 96 for all they have suffered over the past 23 years.

Indeed, the new evidence that we are presented with today makes clear that these families have suffered a double injustice.

The injustice of the appalling events - the failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the indefensible wait to get to the truth.

And the injustice of the denigration of the deceased - that they were somehow at fault for their own deaths.

On behalf of the government - and indeed our country - I am profoundly sorry for this double injustice that has been left uncorrected for so long.

Why this matters for Merseyside and the country

Mr Speaker, because of what I have described as the second injustice - the false version of events - not enough people in this country understand what the people of Merseyside have been through.

This appalling death toll of so many loved ones lost was compounded by an attempt to blame the victims.

A narrative about hooliganism on that day was created which led many in the country to accept that it was somehow a grey area.

Today's report is black and white.

The Liverpool fans 'were not the cause of the disaster'.

The panel has quite simply found 'no evidence' in support of allegations of 'exceptional levels of drunkenness, ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans' and 'no evidence that fans had conspired to arrive late at the stadium' and 'no evidence that they stole from the dead and dying'.

Mr Speaker, I'm sure the whole House will want to thank the Bishop of Liverpool and his panel for all the work they have done.

And I am sure that all sides will join with me in paying tribute to the incredible strength and dignity of the Hillsborough families and the community which has backed them in their long search for justice.

While nothing can ever bring back those who have been lost with all the documents revealed and nothing held back the families, at last, have access to the truth.

And I commend this statement to the House."
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Postby Benny The Noon » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:45 pm

The truth is out at last ! It's now time for Justice ! JFT96
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Postby stmichael » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:16 pm

Panel: Chief constable told officers that defence had to "be rock-solid story” and that blame should be laid on “drunken ticketless fans”  :veryangry
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Postby Benny The Noon » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:18 pm

The panel today released the following summary of its report to the media:

The documents disclosed to the Panel endorse Lord Justice Taylor's key finding that the main reason for the Hillsborough disaster was a 'failure in police control'. Yet they also reveal multiple failures within organisations that compromised crowd safety. The evidence shows conclusively that Liverpool fans neither caused nor contributed to the deaths of 96 men, women and children.

Announcing the results of its two year review of all documents relating to the disaster, the Independent Panel's report adds significantly to public understanding of the tragedy and its aftermath.

Introducing the report to the Hillsborough families at the Anglican Cathedral in Liverpool, Bishop James Jones, the Bishop of Liverpool and Chair of the Panel said:

"For nearly a quarter of a century the families of the 96 and the survivors of Hillsborough have nursed an open wound waiting for answers to unresolved questions. It has been a frustrating and painful experience adding to their grief.

"In spite of all the investigations they have sensed that their search for truth and justice has been thwarted and that no-one has been held accountable.

"The documents disclosed to and analysed by the Panel show that the tragedy should never have happened. There were clear operational failures in response to the disaster and in its aftermath there were strenuous attempts to deflect the blame onto the fans. The Panel's detailed report shows how vulnerable victims, survivors and their families are when transparency and accountability are compromised.

"My colleagues and I were from the start of our work impressed by the dignified determination of the families."

The Panel's research and analysis of the documents begins with a near disaster at the 1981 FA Cup semi-final when crushing in the well known bottleneck at the turnstiles led to the opening of a gate thus transferring the crush onto the terraces and many injuries.

Following that near tragedy, ground modifications actually increased the dangers at the Leppings Lane end of the stadium. There were further problems at FA Cup semi-finals in 1987, at the turnstiles and on the terrace in 1988. The documents show that the risks were known and that the tragedy in 1989 was foreseeable.

The documents disclosed to the Panel reveal that the flaws in responding to the emerging crisis on the day were rooted in institutional tension within and between organisations reflected in: a policing and stewarding mind-set predominantly concerned with crowd disorder; the failure to realise the consequences of opening exit gates to relieve congestion at the turnstiles; the failure to manage the crowd's entry and allocation between the pens; the failure to anticipate the consequences within the central pens of not sealing the tunnel; the delay in realising that the crisis in the central pens was a consequence of overcrowding rather than crowd disorder.

For the first time, the documents reveal the extent of the shortcomings in the emergency response including the ambulance service's failure to implement the major incident plan fully.

Documents disclosed to the Panel also reveal that the original pathologists' evidence of a single unvarying pattern of death is unsustainable. This assumption was the basis for Coroner's imposition of a 3.15pm cut-off on evidence to the inquests. It led to the mistaken belief than an effective emergency services' intervention could not have saved lives. The Panel's disclosure confirms that in some cases death was not immediate and the outcome dependent on events after 3.15pm.

Close analysis of the documents demonstrates that the weight placed on blood alcohol levels was inappropriate, fuelling persistent and unsustainable assertions about drunken fan behaviour not supported by evidence of moderate patterns of drinking not unremarkable for a leisure event.

It is evident from analysis of the various investigations that from the outset South Yorkshire Police (SYP) sought to deflect responsibility for the disaster onto Liverpool fans, presenting a case that emphasised exceptional levels of drunkenness and aggression among Liverpool fans, alleging many arrived at the stadium late, without tickets and determined to force entry. Beyond police accounts, there is no evidence of substance to support this view. The documents reveal an investigation by the Health and Safety Executive which found that severely restricted turnstile access, poor condition of the terrace, inadequate safety barriers and virtually no means of escape rendered the Leppings Lane terrace - especially the central pens - structurally unsafe.

Despite the range of parallel investigations into the disaster and the length of the inquests, the Panel's Report raises profound concerns about the conduct and appropriateness of the inquests. These concerns include the decision to hold part of the inquests, for individual families, without the opportunity to examine evidence presented to the jury as factual and to hold a generic stage as a 'rerun' of the Taylor Inquiry.

The Panel's analysis revisits the review and alteration of police statements showing clearly the extent to which substantive amendments were made by the South Yorkshire Police to remove or alter comments unfavourable to the police management of and response to the unfolding disaster. It also shows for the first time that South Yorkshire Metropolitan Ambulance Service documents were subject to a similar process.

In the days after the disaster serious allegations were printed, particularly in the Sun newspaper, about the behaviour of Liverpool fans. The documents disclosed to the Panel show that the origin of these serious allegations was a local Sheffield Press Agency informed by several senior SYP officers, an SYP Police Federation spokesperson and a local MP.  The Police Federation, supported informally by the SYP Chief Constable, sought to develop and publicise a version of events derived in police officers' allegations of drunkenness, ticketless fans and violence. This extended beyond the media to Parliament. From the mass of documents, television and CCTV coverage disclosed to the Panel there is no evidence to support these allegations other than a few isolated examples of aggressive or verbally abusive behaviour clearly reflecting frustration and desperation. The vast majority of fans on the pitch assisted in rescuing and evacuating the injured and the dead.

Report structure

The Panel's Report is based on research and analysis of over 450,000 pages of documents made available by over 80 organisations and individuals in the first such disclosure exercise in this country. Part 1 of the Report establishes what was known about the disaster before the Panel began its work. Part 2 comprises twelve chapters and presents 150 substantive issues that add to public understanding. Part 3 makes recommendations for a permanent archive of the documents, including the continuation of the public website which is being switched on today.

Concluding comment

Bishop James Jones paid tribute to the individual families and to the established representative groups. The need for full disclosure came to the fore in 2009 when the Hillsborough Family Support Group met the then Home Secretary who, together with the then Secretary of State for Culture Media and Sport, took the decision to appoint the Hillsborough Independent Panel. Bishop James said that:

"The Panel produces this Report without any presumption of where it will lead. But it does so in the profound hope that greater transparency will bring to the families and to the wider public a greater understanding of the tragedy and its aftermath. For it is only with this transparency that the families and survivors, who have behaved with such dignity, can with some sense of truth and justice cherish the memory of their 96 loved ones."





The Documents are 400 it will take a few minutes to download,I believe its over 400 pages.....
http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/do ... 1/0581.pdf

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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:21 pm

Cried like a baby on hearing this news earlier ,31 fucking lives ,31 families may have been spared their loss. Its an absolute travesty on an epic scale
and no amount of whimpering apologies from the government will ever sate ,not when police statements were tampered to suit one of the most repugnant
and sickening agendas ever devised . Maybe now the rest of this country can feel for the suffering endured by those families ,maybe they can feel a degree
of empathy for the hell on earth these parents have lived for the last 23 fucking years. God forbid it takes the sheen of "Glorious Britain's Olympics .

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Postby stmichael » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:23 pm

Panel confirm 2 missing stadium CCTV tapes were looked for but never found
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Postby The Hustler » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:23 pm

It is for the attorney general to decide whether to apply to the High Court to quash the original inquest and seek a new one.

And the attorney general has assured me that he will examine this new evidence immediately and reach a decision as fast as possible.

But ultimately it is for the High Court to decide. "


I should think so.

Today's report finds that 164 statements were significantly amended - and 116 explicitly removed negative comments about the policing operation - including its lack of leadership.


That made me sick. That is serious corruption AND perverting the course of justice.

Coppers I hate em.  :angry:
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Postby Benny The Noon » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:28 pm

HILLSBOROUGH: AN APOLOGY

by TheAnfieldWrap // 12 September 2012

By Iain Macintosh

FOR 23 years, they fought for the truth. For 23 years, they were told to stop ‘wallowing’ in their grief.

Today, their tenacity, bravery and resolve was finally vindicated as the Prime Minister stood to deliver a profound and shocking apology for what we now KNOW was a widespread establishment cover-up and smear campaign. But he is not the only person who needs to apologise.

I need to apologise.

Many of us, non-Liverpool supporters need to apologise. We are guilty. Guilty because perhaps we didn’t listen properly to those families. Guilty because, if we did listen, we didn’t do enough to help them. A retweet here, a Facebook ‘like’ there. It wasn’t enough. This was a tragedy that could have affected any of us, and we let them fight alone.

There are no conspiracy theories now, there is only truth. In 1989, 96 Liverpool fans were killed in utterly avoidable circumstances at Hillsborough, the life crushed out of them as police officers, their chain of command compromised, stood and watched.

Dozens of ambulances were stationed outside. Only two of them got on the pitch. Of the 96 who perished, 59 could have been saved. And that was only the start. In the aftermath of the disaster, the police set to work on a vicious and inhuman program of misinformation, smearing the dead to cover their failings.
Indirectly, they fed a story to The Sun, the most widely read newspaper in the country, who repeated it as ‘The Truth’ alleging that the Liverpool supporters rifled the pockets of the dead and urinated on their corpses. Lies. All lies designed to dehumanise the people of Liverpool, to make them seem like animals. To make their slaughter acceptable. And they worked. For 23 years.

For 23 years, morons in football stadiums have chanted, “you killed your own fans,” every time Liverpool have come to town. For 23 years, the lies have been repeated in print by those who should know better.

The man who, bafflingly, many people want to see as our next Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, vomited them out on the pages of The Spectator. And still the families fought on.

Writing now, in the immediate aftermath of the apology, it’s impossible to comprehend the implications of the day. There are simply too many people to be angry with, too many targets for our rage.

Perhaps while the dust settles and we wait for clarity, we should turn our first volley of fury on ourselves. This was a disaster that could have affected any club in the country. God willing, it will be the last time that football supporters die in a stadium. But if it isn’t, if something this terrible should ever happen again, let us hope that we have learned our lesson.

Let us hope that, next time, we don’t leave the families to fight alone.

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