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by **friendlyguy33** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:12 pm

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:58 pm wrote:
friendlyguy33 » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:54 pm wrote:
Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:51 pm wrote:Aquilani has been a Liverpool player for 3 years now - how many games has he played ? 8

Cole is our past - 30 year old on 90 grand a week with fu.cked knees

I would rather look to the future than those two or are our past IMO

Yes I was disappointed with the appointment - I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one - BUT hopefully this will sink in now to people I'm more than willing to give him my full support as soon as he gets started and I will support him for as long as he is manager ( unless he gets us into a relegation dog fight then questions would need to be asked ) and he needs more time than a lot of our fanbase will give

I will say this again for you because it seems some are either blind or too thick to understand

" I AM NOT WRITING OFF BRENDAN RODGERS"

I am worried about the coming season and how it will go , I'm worried about the players we will attract , I'm worried about the players we can lose and most of all I am worried that in 12 months time people like 7 Kewell will be shouting for another manager to be sacked because the manager couldnt reach the unrealistic expectations placed on him. The new manager needs more than one season but I worry he won't get that.

As for the mediocre comment - it is the truth - we were mid table last season and we have appointed a manager who was also mid table - until otherwise proven we are currently mediocre - I worry it stays that worry and I'm not going to apologise for worrying about a club I have supported longer than some on here have been alive. I'm certainly not deluded enough to think that all our problems suddenly disappeared the minute Kenny was sacked and Rodgers appointed.

It's now up to Rodgers to prove the doubters wrong , to wipe away any worries and he will be support - I will be cheering my voice raw the minute the season starts in support.

I understand your concerns but when the MD says that they have spoken to well informed people in football about appointing Rodgers I believe him. I don't believe that these owners or the club would do anything risky in either the short term or the long term. It's early days but I think the team will improve under Rodgers.

On Carroll it looks like the new manager likes him so he has time to keep improving and developing.

It is very early days.

He did well at Swansea after disappointing at Reading and being sacked

But going to Liverpool is different - he is speaking very well at the moment but it will be his actions that will count.

I agree that it is his actions that will count. I would rather have Rodgers in charge than Martinez given that in each of the three seasons that Martinez has been at Wigan they've been in a relegation fight the whole season and not really improved. Swansea adjusted to the premiership very well and that was largely down to their former manager.

Provided he can step up to working with better players than he had at Swansea I think he'll do well.

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:14 pm

I think we can only wait and see.

It's a risk - sacking Kenny and appointing anyone was a risk but it's even bigger with someone like Rodgers.

by **7_Kewell** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:15 pm

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:12 pm wrote:
7_Kewell » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:09 pm wrote:all i see is the ramblings of a loony.

Loony ?

Ah well

Will wait for the Rodgers Out to join with your previous Kenny Out posts we had all last season.

all last season? You said i gave him 4 months before...make your mind up :laugh:

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:18 pm

7_Kewell » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:15 pm wrote:
Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:12 pm wrote:
7_Kewell » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:09 pm wrote:all i see is the ramblings of a loony.

Loony ?

Ah well

Will wait for the Rodgers Out to join with your previous Kenny Out posts we had all last season.

all last season? You said i gave him 4 months before...make your mind up

See you later Kewell - keep on living up to your hero Kewell - he was also the biggest waste to be involved in the club.

On that note i shall try out the ignore function in the hope you go back to supporting Chelsea soon enough - they change a manager every year so you should love it there . Plastic flags as well to go with plastic support.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:31 pm

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:11 pm wrote:I don't consider them part of the squad

Definatly not Aquilani who will either leave for about 3 mil or go on loan again

And expect Cole to go as well.

But if the manager likes what he sees:

They're certainly talented players, said Rodgers.

I know Joe well from my time at Chelsea. He's a wonderful talent.

I thought Aquilani was a really good player. I'd seen him in the Champions League and he came to Liverpool but it didn't quite work out and he went back [to Italy] on loan.

There might be other situations. I just need to find out from speaking with those players because there are always other reasons.

The boy Aquilani is a wonderful talent and a terrific player but he might not be able to settle. He might not be able to adapt to the country so you've got all those issues and sometimes you're not aware of that until you sit down and speak to the people.

lfc.tv

...and persuades them to stay, they'll then have a chance to prove themselves.

Chances are so will Carroll, despite the difficulties he's faced.

Rodgers again:

But we are starting to see the first real performances that you think he can go on and become a really fantastic player for Liverpool.

He looked lean, mobile and great in his physicality the other night and his touch was good.

planetswans.co.uk

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:36 pm

Then I worry even more so. We should be looking to replace those players along with Kuyt and Maxi .

If we go into the next season with them in the squad then I can't see us improving too much.

Cole was a great player when Rodgers was there - since then he has had two serious knee injuries and has done nothing. It will be a long season once again. It was bad enough enduring the first time having "Cole being the missing creative link " .

As for Aquilani ?! Rodgers even points at him unable to settle.

by **friendlyguy33** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:52 pm

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:36 pm wrote:Then I worry even more so. We should be looking to replace those players along with Kuyt and Maxi .

If we go into the next season with them in the squad then I can't see us improving too much.

Cole was a great player when Rodgers was there - since then he has had two serious knee injuries and has done nothing. It will be a long season once again. It was bad enough enduring the first time having "Cole being the missing creative link " .

As for Aquilani ?! Rodgers even points at him unable to settle.

It's all ifs and buts. Swansea's successful pass percentage was about 84% last season I believe one of the highest in the premiership. It will be interesting to see if he does go back for Sigurdsson as he was influential last season in that team.

Otherwise this could be the tactical system that he would set up to retain better possession and workrate around the pitch-

Reina

Johnson Agger Skrtel Enrique

Lucas

Gerrard Adam/Henderson

Suarez Carroll Downing

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:53 pm

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:36 pm wrote:Then I worry even more so. We should be looking to replace those players along with Kuyt and Maxi .

If we go into the next season with them in the squad then I can't see us improving too much.

Cole was a great player when Rodgers was there - since then he has had two serious knee injuries and has done nothing. It will be a long season once again. It was bad enough enduring the first time having "Cole being the missing creative link " .

As for Aquilani ?! Rodgers even points at him unable to settle.

Exactly. Giving players a chance has nothing to do with giving an opinion on an internet forum.

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:58 pm

If we go the 4-3-3 formation used at Chelsea then

The back 4 is sorted
Pepe
Johnson
Agger
Skrtel
Enrique

With decent back up

The midfield I think we need two new players - a creative player plus a backup for Lucas

Lucas/Back up
Henderson/Shelvey
Gerrard/Siguardsson ?

The three up front think we need one more goalscorer

Downing/Sterling
Carroll/New Striker
Suarez/Bellamy

A few additions could see us improve

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:00 pm

rodgers talks about his vision of visiting teams not having the ball for 10 minute spells and them going away from anfield shattered because they have done that much closing down but lets face it that vision isnt going to materialise with the likes of jay in centre mid.
aquilani is exactly the type of player rodgers is looking for, he`s never really been given a chance here because the managers we`ve had have wanted a different kind of centre mid but rodgers is different, he doesnt just like that aquilani type of player he wants to build a team around them. i think aquilani struggled to settle in england because he felt like he wasnt wanted, he might feel a bit different after rodgers has explained his philosophy to albert.
i really hope he comes back.

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:09 pm

Did Aquilani's agent state that he did think his player was suited to play in the prem - it was down to Aquilani wanting to leave to Italy not the managers.

Kenny wanted and played a high possesion game with lots of passing and was supposed to be perfect for Aquilani but he doesnt want to be here - he has no house in Chester anymore - his family live in Italy.

by **Boxscarf** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:12 pm

Rodgers wants technically gifted footballers who have a great ball retention, midfielders like Adam and Spearing don't offer this, so I doubt they'll have much a future under Brendan Rodgers.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:12 pm

. reina

johnson skrtel agger enrique

lucas

aquilani gerrard

sterling carroll suarez

thats a decent 4-3-3 formation without even buying anyone. i could really see the likes of suarez, aquilani, gerrard and lucas putting together some great moves and carroll would give us a focal point and presence and stop us becoming lightweight.
plenty of back up too with henderson, downing, shelvey etc.
we actually have a very good squad, it`s just that as much as i admire him kenny wouldnt put that type of side out and neither would rafa or roy. they`d put a spearing in there or an adam or in rafa`s case a mascherano.
but i`ve got a feeling thats the type of thing rodgers is looking at.

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:14 pm

Boxscarf » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:12 pm wrote:Rodgers wants technically gifted footballers who have a great ball retention, midfielders like Adam and Spearing don't offer this, so I doubt they'll have much a future under Brendan Rodgers.

Gerrards ball retention is poor as well.

Rodgers will hopefully adapt a little to the players we currently have as well as his own methods.

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:16 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:12 pm wrote:. reina

johnson skrtel agger enrique

lucas

aquilani gerrard

sterling carroll suarez

thats a decent 4-3-3 formation without even buying anyone. i could really see the likes of suarez, aquilani, gerrard and lucas putting together some great moves and carroll would give us a focal point and presence and stop us becoming lightweight.
plenty of back up too with henderson, downing, shelvey etc.
we actually have a very good squad, it`s just that as much as i admire him kenny wouldnt put that type of side out and neither would rafa or roy. they`d put a spearing in there or an adam or in rafa`s case a mascherano.
but i`ve got a feeling thats the type of thing rodgers is looking at.

What are you basing the assessment of Aquilani on ? 8 games three seasons ago ?

Even at 6 mil Milan said was too much for him ( also got injured a few times once again last season )

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