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[stmichael]

i think he'll do damage at the euro's if he gets the right supply.

by "right supply" i mean not playing walcott. if walcott plays carroll may aswell stand behind the goal for 90 minutes

[maguskwt]

If Carroll is good on the floor then I think I can play in the Premier League... 

Carroll is Passable on the floor, nothing more. The lad takes too much time to turn and too much time to pull the trigger to be considered good on the floor as a striker. For sure he can unleash a deadly strike if he was given time and space or if someone sets him up on a platter with time and space, but how often does that happen in the premier league. Crouch's touch was alot better than Carroll's and crouch's control of the ball was alot better as well. But he couldn't cement his place in our starting line up.

Another thing is this notion of "with the right supply". Rodgers is not gonna play the way for Carroll to have "the right supply". The right supply for Carroll is also a very narrow definition. It means inch perfect cross to his head with the time and space for him to head a bullet into the net. The last player capable of doing that was David beckham. Our first priority in the transfer market must be a striker who we can use as a MAIN striker. Therefore, back to the bench or stay on the bench for Carroll.

[D___C]

Theres no doubt that there are two negative effects that Rodgers arrival has on Carroll

(a).Pass and move (requirements: being excellent on the floor, and being very mobile to keep up with play and also close down opponents quickly)
(b).No pressure on Rodgers to pick him (he aint his signing)

So if Carroll doesnt fit in he wont play.

He started to fit in towards the end of the season (and that was from direct balls into the box)

The signing never made sense. Not talking just about his ability or his style of play. To allow a caretaker manager spend 35 million on a player... when you expected to appoint a full time manager only 5 months later who may have wanted nothing to do with a Carroll type player... madness.

From a sporting standpoint the owners have scored one own goal after another... Brendan put them right on the director of football nonsense (that they confirmed to him they werent even sold on)... the sad thing is they forked out 110million that if spent right would definitely having us contending for top 4/higher.

The good news is Rodgers seems like a man who can clean up this mess.

[maguskwt]

Theres no doubt that there are two negative effects that Rodgers arrival has on Carroll

(a).Pass and move (requirements: being excellent on the floor, and being very mobile to keep up with play and also close down opponents quickly)
(b).No pressure on Rodgers to pick him (he aint his signing)

So if Carroll doesnt fit in he wont play.

He started to fit in towards the end of the season (and that was from direct balls into the box)

The signing never made sense. Not talking just about his ability or his style of play. To allow a caretaker manager spend 35 million on a player... when you expected to appoint a full time manager only 5 months later who may have wanted nothing to do with a Carroll type player... madness.

From a sporting standpoint the owners have scored one own goal after another... Brendan put them right on the director of football nonsense (that they confirmed to him they werent even sold on)... the sad thing is they forked out 110million that if spent right would definitely having us contending for top 4/higher.

The good news is Rodgers seems like a man who can clean up this mess.

Precisely... To think that we could've bought 4 Suarez'es level players with that kind of money...

[ethanr]

If Carroll is good on the floor then I think I can play in the Premier League... 

Carroll is Passable on the floor, nothing more. The lad takes too much time to turn and too much time to pull the trigger to be considered good on the floor as a striker. For sure he can unleash a deadly strike if he was given time and space or if someone sets him up on a platter with time and space, but how often does that happen in the premier league. Crouch's touch was alot better than Carroll's and crouch's control of the ball was alot better as well. But he couldn't cement his place in our starting line up.

Another thing is this notion of "with the right supply". Rodgers is not gonna play the way for Carroll to have "the right supply". The right supply for Carroll is also a very narrow definition. It means inch perfect cross to his head with the time and space for him to head a bullet into the net. The last player capable of doing that was David beckham. Our first priority in the transfer market must be a striker who we can use as a MAIN striker. Therefore, back to the bench or stay on the bench for Carroll.

Couldn't disagree more mate.. Carroll has actually done quite well on the floor, especially in recent months.  His passing has been really good, his turning has been decent- I don't get why so many say he's so slow he's really not, he's just big so he looks like he's moving slower.  Look at his goal against chelsea in the fa cup, he turned the hell out of terry, one of the supposed best CB's in the league.  He tore the entire chelsea defense apart to games in a row.  I don't care if he did it on the floor or in the air, the simple fact is they couldn't handle him.  We never seem to get him decent crosses either... Pinpoint crosses? I don't think so.. I attacks that ball.. He'll start outside the 18 and beat everybody to a whizzed on cross on the 6.  Look at how he smashed bellamy to the ground making sure he won that ball.

SImply put, he's got a job for us next season.  If he continues to play how he has these past couple months, he'll be a starter almost every week, and deservedly so.  People didn't like him at first and they aren't willing to admit how much better he's gotten.  He really is starting to prove that he can be a player for us, and it's time people start backing him and accepting the fact he has a good chance to be in our starting 11.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

If Carroll is good on the floor then I think I can play in the Premier League... 

Carroll is Passable on the floor, nothing more. The lad takes too much time to turn and too much time to pull the trigger to be considered good on the floor as a striker. For sure he can unleash a deadly strike if he was given time and space or if someone sets him up on a platter with time and space, but how often does that happen in the premier league. Crouch's touch was alot better than Carroll's and crouch's control of the ball was alot better as well. But he couldn't cement his place in our starting line up.

Another thing is this notion of "with the right supply". Rodgers is not gonna play the way for Carroll to have "the right supply". The right supply for Carroll is also a very narrow definition. It means inch perfect cross to his head with the time and space for him to head a bullet into the net. The last player capable of doing that was David beckham. Our first priority in the transfer market must be a striker who we can use as a MAIN striker. Therefore, back to the bench or stay on the bench for Carroll.

Couldn't disagree more mate.. Carroll has actually done quite well on the floor, especially in recent months.  His passing has been really good, his turning has been decent- I don't get why so many say he's so slow he's really not, he's just big so he looks like he's moving slower.  Look at his goal against chelsea in the fa cup, he turned the hell out of terry, one of the supposed best CB's in the league.  He tore the entire chelsea defense apart to games in a row.  I don't care if he did it on the floor or in the air, the simple fact is they couldn't handle him.  We never seem to get him decent crosses either... Pinpoint crosses? I don't think so.. I attacks that ball.. He'll start outside the 18 and beat everybody to a whizzed on cross on the 6.  Look at how he smashed bellamy to the ground making sure he won that ball.

SImply put, he's got a job for us next season.  If he continues to play how he has these past couple months, he'll be a starter almost every week, and deservedly so.  People didn't like him at first and they aren't willing to admit how much better he's gotten.  He really is starting to prove that he can be a player for us, and it's time people start backing him and accepting the fact he has a good chance to be in our starting 11.

yeah good post mate, totally agree
in traffic and with defenders all over his back he retains possession better than suarez.

[D___C]

ahh.. but he started to look good under a different system (direct long balls upfield, crosses from out wide) which he fed on.

Had Kenny still been in charge then yeah id be expecting big things from Carroll next season with more direct stuff fed to him. But the complete opposite type of manager has been brought in... a game that is alien to Carroll.

Thats not to say he cant adapt, it will be a big ask though.

[Benny The Noon]

I reckon we should all wait until we see what Rodgers does - Buck has already complemented Carroll a couple weeks ago and going by his words he seems to rate him.

Carroll finished the season as the in form striker scoring some very good goals and creating some goals and being involved in a lot of our good play both "on the floor" and in the air.

His touch is a damn sight better than a lot give him credit for and he is good with the ball played into his feet , he is more than capable of holding it , a nice one touch pass or playing in other players.

A lot of people are saying we should give the manager time and paitence - clean slate now and lets get behind whatever players Buck deems good enough.

There is a reason why we are commenting on players whilst people like Rodgers actually do it ( because they know more than us )

[maguskwt]

Hechas a good chance to be in our starting 11 if we want to hover around the 6th-8th positions in the league. If we aspire to be top 4 material, we definitely need a main striker who can score 18-20 goals a season on a regular basis...

[Benny The Noon]

ahh.. but he started to look good under a different system (direct long balls upfield, crosses from out wide) which he fed on.

Had Kenny still been in charge then yeah id be expecting big things from Carroll next season with more direct stuff fed to him. But the complete opposite type of manager has been brought in... a game that is alien to Carroll.

Thats not to say he cant adapt, it will be a big ask though.

The league game against Chelsea we weren't just pinging direct long balls. It's another false accusation that he is only effective with long direct balls.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I think Carroll will be immense for the reds next season ,and he could turn out to be one of the stars of the
tournament for England this Summer.... I await the media's love in (sick bag in hand)  reading the gutless
scribes sudden about turn on the qualities of the big man . 

Then again some of us fans seen the lads quality a while back in glimpses ,so it will be no surprise if he is
turned into a national hero this summer .

[D___C]

Goggles = correct sig
Benny = wrong sig

[Benny The Noon]

Hechas a good chance to be in our starting 11 if we want to hover around the 6th-8th positions in the league. If we aspire to be top 4 material, we definitely need a main striker who can score 18-20 goals a season on a regular basis...

Excellent way to start a clean slate - new manager , new start.

It's great to see everyone giving the whole squad a chance.

Rodgers hasn't got a prayer with our fan base - fuc.k all paitence and all think they know better

[Benny The Noon]

Goggles = correct sig
Benny = wrong sig

What are you talking about boy !

[D___C]

Its June 2012 Benjamin.... not Jan 2011