Liverpool FC Forum

We're a completely different kettle of fish to Chelsea and Man City. In fact, we're much closer to Man Utd in terms of our business potential.

If it needed any re-inforcing, then all the surveys show that we have one of the most valuable brands in world football, certainly by comparison with Chelsea and Man City. Not only that, but we have a much larger fanbase that means we'll be able to fill more seats should we eventually build a new stadium, and our potential in key markets like Asia far exceeds anything Chelsea or Man City will ever likely be capable of matching.



This may be the case now. Imagine when they see a few home grown players coming into the team. The moment that that happens, the interest will shift. I agree we're ahead of the game at the moment, but rest on your laurels too long here and we can come unstuck

Boxscarf » Thu May 24, 2012 9:30 pm wrote:Kenny hung himself out to dry over the Suarez racism incident with his aggressive nature during that period. Liverpool also made themselves look like morons when they were adamant that Suarez was innocent and when came the opportunity to appeal Suarez's ban, Liverpool cowered like a small kitten and agreed with the suspension therefore accepting Suarez's guilty verdict. I believe FSG have little do with the day-to-day running of the club that falls to people like Ian Ayre. I believe that FSG constantly assess situations surrounding the club throughout the course of the season and then have an end-of-season review to see what needs alterating, what can be improved, what went well.

The criticism that FSG have had to endure over the last few weeks is a disgrace and people should be ashamed of themselves. I hope FSG make us successful, because I just want people like the Leprachun man and Benny the Noon to eat a rather large slice of humble pie.

I agree with your last point about the criticism of FSG, but that statement about FSG not being in the loop....I think that is naive. I am sure they were aware of the approach and supported it, but changed their approach when they saw it going wrong and I think that is the sign of good fluid decision making.

I do not see the club as morons for supporting a stance that they have made then choosing to let it go and not fan the flames any more following the massive loss we clearly experienced in the press, it's called cutting your losses.
I do think we should have had a slightly lighter approach to the whole situation. If we'd been more careful we could have supported Suarez, made our point and won the media battle. We just played into Fergies hands here.

Homebooby » Fri May 25, 2012 1:27 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Thu May 24, 2012 9:30 pm wrote:Kenny hung himself out to dry over the Suarez racism incident with his aggressive nature during that period. Liverpool also made themselves look like morons when they were adamant that Suarez was innocent and when came the opportunity to appeal Suarez's ban, Liverpool cowered like a small kitten and agreed with the suspension therefore accepting Suarez's guilty verdict. I believe FSG have little do with the day-to-day running of the club that falls to people like Ian Ayre. I believe that FSG constantly assess situations surrounding the club throughout the course of the season and then have an end-of-season review to see what needs alterating, what can be improved, what went well.

The criticism that FSG have had to endure over the last few weeks is a disgrace and people should be ashamed of themselves. I hope FSG make us successful, because I just want people like the Leprachun man and Benny the Noon to eat a rather large slice of humble pie.

I agree with your last point about the criticism of FSG, but that statement about FSG not being in the loop....I think that is naive. I am sure they were aware of the approach and supported it, but changed their approach when they saw it going wrong and I think that is the sign of good fluid decision making.

I do not see the club as morons for supporting a stance that they have made then choosing to let it go and not fan the flames any more following the massive loss we clearly experienced in the press, it's called cutting your losses.
I do think we should have had a slightly lighter approach to the whole situation. If we'd been more careful we could have supported Suarez, made our point and won the media battle. We just played into Fergies hands here.

that whole episode was a shambles mate, the f.a panel didnt even do suarez for racism, they done him for using innappropiate language, manchester united released a statement after the hearing saying they didnt believe suarez was a racist and to be fair to evra he did the same, he released a statement saying he didnt think suarez was a racist either.
but somehow that all got lost in the media storm following that belligerent club statement and those t-shirts.
then there was the humiliating retreat from our intial belligerent stance and the media storm that went right around the world with the president of uruguay even getting involved and then there were MP`s like george galloway throwing their twopence worth into the mix saying luis should be sacked or deported or something.
thats without mentioning the carry on at old trafford and the grovelling apologies afterwards.
glad to see the back of last season.

Homebooby » Fri May 25, 2012 1:27 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Thu May 24, 2012 9:30 pm wrote:Kenny hung himself out to dry over the Suarez racism incident with his aggressive nature during that period. Liverpool also made themselves look like morons when they were adamant that Suarez was innocent and when came the opportunity to appeal Suarez's ban, Liverpool cowered like a small kitten and agreed with the suspension therefore accepting Suarez's guilty verdict. I believe FSG have little do with the day-to-day running of the club that falls to people like Ian Ayre. I believe that FSG constantly assess situations surrounding the club throughout the course of the season and then have an end-of-season review to see what needs alterating, what can be improved, what went well.

The criticism that FSG have had to endure over the last few weeks is a disgrace and people should be ashamed of themselves. I hope FSG make us successful, because I just want people like the Leprachun man and Benny the Noon to eat a rather large slice of humble pie.

I agree with your last point about the criticism of FSG, but that statement about FSG not being in the loop....I think that is naive. I am sure they were aware of the approach and supported it, but changed their approach when they saw it going wrong and I think that is the sign of good fluid decision making.

I do not see the club as morons for supporting a stance that they have made then choosing to let it go and not fan the flames any more following the massive loss we clearly experienced in the press, it's called cutting your losses.
I do think we should have had a slightly lighter approach to the whole situation. If we'd been more careful we could have supported Suarez, made our point and won the media battle. We just played into Fergies hands here.

Dear psychos,

Football is not written by some washed up Hollywood hack and conspiracy theories are also the domain of redneck wackjobs that live in caravans, eat nothing but canned corn beef and occasionally get hot and heavy with their cousins.

ANY CHANCE OF SOME F*CKING COMMON SENSE COMING BACK TO THIS FORUM?

Your pal,

Burjennio

if you dont think ferguson uses the media to put pressure on clubs and officials it`s you thats the psycho mate.
he had it in for suarez from the minute he ripped united to shreds at anfield when kuyt got the hat trick.
the two faced arl ***** knew what he was doing when he called suarez a diver, and sure enough from that moment on every commentator and journalist parrotted fergusons words.
and ferguson was well out of order saying we should sell suarez and for once the media agreed, they said he wouldnt have liked it if roy evans told him he should sell cantona after he went into the crowd but ferguson couldnt let the opportunity go without trying to engineer suarez`s exit from this club.

I know Ferguson is a mouthpiece that has the English tabloid press bow to his will, but to suggest that he was behind the whole campaign to get Suarez banned is absolute folly. The thing that got Suarez banned was Liverpool not taking a hard line stance and getting their solicitors all over the FA show trial verdict instead of blinking and doing a 180.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri May 25, 2012 2:10 pm wrote:if you dont think ferguson uses the media to put pressure on clubs and officials it`s you thats the psycho mate.
he had it in for suarez from the minute he ripped united to shreds at anfield when kuyt got the hat trick.
the two faced arl ***** knew what he was doing when he called suarez a diver, and sure enough from that moment on every commentator and journalist parrotted fergusons words.
and ferguson was well out of order saying we should sell suarez and for once the media agreed, they said he wouldnt have liked it if roy evans told him he should sell cantona after he went into the crowd but ferguson couldnt let the opportunity go without trying to engineer suarez`s exit from this club.

Absolutely. Utd made a choice to bring this into the open. Their initial comments were inflammatory claiming multiple abuses which they then back tracked on. This was done almost directly after the game with little time to let the dust settle and gather the facts first. This was classic united.

burjennio » Fri May 25, 2012 2:20 pm wrote:I know Ferguson is a mouthpiece that has the English tabloid press bow to his will, but to suggest that he was behind the whole campaign to get Suarez banned is absolute folly. The thing that got Suarez banned was Liverpool not taking a hard line stance and getting their solicitors all over the FA show trial verdict instead of blinking and doing a 180.

ferguson wasnt behind it like a character in a bond film but he certainly made the most of the situation once it arose.
he`d already used the media to attack suarez before the evra thing blew up so he wasnt going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

It was classic Patrice Evra. And lets be clear without digging this whole debacle up for the millionth time - Suarez DID USE A RACIAL SLUR. Whether there was malicious intent behind it is open to debate when the cultural nuances are taken into consideration but if Evra felt that he'd been racially abused he was within his rights to report it, the same way Glen Johnson or Nathan Eccleston would be if a similar situation arose.

and what i forgot to add was that it wasnt just commentators and journalists who were parrotting fergusons views about suarez being a diver, from almost the moment he said it suarez hardly won a free kick too. he was getting kicked to f**k but refs were gesturing at him to get up.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri May 25, 2012 2:31 pm wrote:and what i forgot to add was that it wasnt just commentators and journalists who were parrotting fergusons views about suarez being a diver, from almost the moment he said it suarez hardly won a free kick too. he was getting kicked to f**k but refs were gesturing at him to get up.

Do you honestly think that is more to do with Fergie claiming that or more to do with the fact that Suarez goes down easier than Sonny Liston vs Ali in '65?

burjennio » Fri May 25, 2012 2:20 pm wrote:I know Ferguson is a mouthpiece that has the English tabloid press bow to his will, but to suggest that he was behind the whole campaign to get Suarez banned is absolute folly. The thing that got Suarez banned was Liverpool not taking a hard line stance and getting their solicitors all over the FA show trial verdict instead of blinking and doing a 180.

Personally I think you are totally wrong. After the game Ferguson allegedly went into the referees office screaming that Suarez had called Evra a nigger ten times and that Suarez racially abused him. From memory the official FA report clearly documents this aspect of Ferguson's behaviour. Ferguson for legal reasons also demanded,during his meeting in the referees room, that his statement and the statements of all the parties involved should be put in writing and treated as evidence of a possible future hearing. This stupid verbal scrap on a football pitch has been thrown out of all possible proportion and Ferguson and Manchester United did their very utmost to cause as much possible embarrassment to Suarez and Liverpool FC. They succeeded but I will not criticise Liverpool for their behaviour in defending Suarez and claiming his innocence. I accept that they could have appealed. What would have been the point if the FA had previously accepted the word of Evra possible because he presented his understanding of the facts in a more articulate manner. All the legal people in the world were not going to change the minds of these puppets!

burjennio » Fri May 25, 2012 2:20 pm wrote:I know Ferguson is a mouthpiece that has the English tabloid press bow to his will, but to suggest that he was behind the whole campaign to get Suarez banned is absolute folly. The thing that got Suarez banned was Liverpool not taking a hard line stance and getting their solicitors all over the FA show trial verdict instead of blinking and doing a 180.

Purple nose is the biggest, dirtyest, slyest, manipulating, cheating cu'nt ever to be involved in professional football!
FACT!!

burjennio » Fri May 25, 2012 2:42 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri May 25, 2012 2:31 pm wrote:and what i forgot to add was that it wasnt just commentators and journalists who were parrotting fergusons views about suarez being a diver, from almost the moment he said it suarez hardly won a free kick too. he was getting kicked to f**k but refs were gesturing at him to get up.

Do you honestly think that is more to do with Fergie claiming that or more to do with the fact that Suarez goes down easier than Sonny Liston vs Ali in '65?

the point is mate suarez was getting those free kicks until ferguson opened his gob.
anyone else who`d managed the likes of ronaldo, nani, van nistelrooy, ashley young and even wayne rooney who publically apologised for diving would be too embaressed to call out a player from another club for diving but he`s a ****** who knows the press in this country instead of laughing at his staggering level of hypocrisy will pick up on his comments and champion his cause.