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Postby yckatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:46 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:They are foreign and left it because they believed that KK and Ayre knew what they were doing. Its obvious that they didnt.
That said, it is not the big disaster that the scumbag press and media are making out. Dont forget they need hysterical headlines to fill the boring sh'it they pump out 24/7. This will die away and we must get back to winning ways asap
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sorry mate i`m not buying that, in this day and age with e-mails and all that malarky you cant tell me that with an issue as serious as this that the owners werent involved or at least knew about how we were going to respond.
that strongly worded statement was a f##k up and redtrader a few posts back wrote a post probably off the top off his head in a few seconds that would have diffused the situation.
the owners and management are there exactly for these types of situations were good judgement is needed.
kenny and suarez are taking it on the chin for the whole club
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Postby red till i die!! » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:57 pm

dundreamin wrote:Some people are unreal. Do they remember the g&h years then FSG pulled us out of real deep S.HIT  got rid of a puppet manager, brought back kenny and now some having a dig at FSG. FFS get real wake up they rescued us. Rant over

nobody is hoping they sell the club mate.
fsg pulled us out of nothing,the bank did and although at the time there could have been other interested parties.they showed good business acumen in getting this club for a snip.
its a shame they didnt show the same determination or fight when this whole mess erupted.you talk about our previous puppet manager :laugh:.its quite clear that fsg were the ones with their hand up kennys ar$e with that grovelling apology.
those apologies were orchestrated from the states and they are seen everywhere for being exactly that.false and forced.
ian ayre is a comercial director ffs not a pr spokesman and again it was a pr nightmare and the approach of simply hanging suarez out to dry on this is sickening.
fsg bought liverpool football club mate,lock stock and barrel and that includes us fans as part of that package.
to suggest they are above reproach because of some imaginary life ring they apparently threw to us is delusion.
they handled this whole situation terribly in the first place.
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Postby dundreamin » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:04 pm

YELLSUB66 yes I,am proud to be a LFC fan at the moment. I have done for the last 50 years. D.ickheads like you ain't got a clue
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Postby metalhead » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:08 pm

I agree with dundreamin, though can't hide fact I'm dissapointed with them in this Suarez affair
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Postby yckatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:33 pm

metalhead wrote:I agree with dundreamin, though can't hide fact I'm dissapointed with them in this Suarez affair

the managements decision to put out that beligerent statement on the same day that the players wore the suarez t shirts was the moment the press decided to go after the club.
it was like waving a red rag to a bull towards the press, it was a terrible decision.
owners, chairmen, chief executives etc arent like us divvies who go nuts everytime someone says something against our club, they are in those positions because they can see how situations can pan out. that is their job.
the suarez / evra thing was cranked right up after that day and in the p.r war we have been fighting a losing battle ever since.
to me this is like the charge of the light brigade, all sorts of crossed wires and crazy decisions at management level but at the end of the day it`s only kenny and suarez riding off to charge the russian cannons.
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Postby zarababe » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:09 pm

well I tweeted JHenry

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@John_W_Henry @Linda_Pizzuti the papers are slating the club, Alex Ferguson has the gaul to say Luis should never play for us again,,

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@John_W_Henry @Linda_Pizzuti the silence from you is deafening... the Mancs want Luis out.. we need to repsond to this

at about 10.am on th 12th ...

It has been terrible what we have allowed AF say about Luis and never playing for us again..

The lack of leadership has been stark.. the hiearchy must learn, we have to have apolicy on how  we deal with these matyters and support the manager .

Feel so sad fro KK - Luis has let him down, but Luis is human and i'm sure they will have had clear the air talks, Luis si no fool and knows what support he has had and that he now needs to payback. He's a grt player and we can all move on ...
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Postby tubby » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:24 pm

Is he a fool? Who knows, but he is a bit soft up there if you look at some of the things he has pulled in his time. That said the lad can play and when his mind is focused on playing he usually does a good job of it.
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Postby dundreamin » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:48 pm

Right, I don't give a flying FOOK what anyone says about LFC. We have been victimized since hysel. They, the media Govenment have always blamed us over hillsro, they are all kunts who basically hate us because we have ridden all that BS they have thrown at us. I for one am PROUD of suarez and kenny for not backing down until told to. If it was up to me I would of stood firm and took it to the courts. As for Evra he his a horrible devious :censored:, if he was white he would still be the same. This ain't about race It's about what people are like some good and some bad. Evra you are a BAD BAD excuse for a human being, YOU CHEATING T.WAT been taking lessons off Rio,shrek and highs eh
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Postby Igor Zidane » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:03 pm

Well :censored: off with the owners and there dealings with this . Can i ask any of our american brothers if the Owners would let the yankees shaft the red sox like this ?
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Postby Greavesie » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:10 pm

personally I dont think they've been too bad, they let Kenny and Ayre do what they saw best and have now intervened when it was clear things were getting out of hand. Do I trust them 100%? Not a clue yet but things aren't exactly rosey on the pitch for me to question their committment just yet
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Postby metalhead » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:11 am

By Rory Smith

Trying to enjoy a family vacation, John W. Henry watched the final, radioactive fallout from the Luis Suárez affair settle on Anfield from Fort Lauderdale, deep in America’s Sunshine State.

It is unlikely to have been a particularly restful holiday, such is the work that awaits him. Next week, Liverpool’s principal, principled owner will fly to Merseyside, where the storm clouds gather.

Contrary to a popular perception too easily guided by soap opera narrative, the arpeggio of apologies issued by Suárez, his club, and Kenny Dalglish, the manager, on Sunday afternoon was not orchestrated by Fenway Sports Group, Liverpool’s parent company.

There was no directive from Henry or his chairman, Tom Werner, that the Uruguayan’s failure to shake hands with Patrice Evra at Old Trafford was of such repugnant moral vacuity that contrition was compulsory. There was no kneejerk response to savage words in the New York Times, a former investor in FSG, and the Boston Globe, Henry’s local paper, demanding intervention in the closest thing the Barclays Premier League has to a pariah state.

Rather, Ian Ayre, Liverpool’s managing director, in consultation with Dalglish, established the direction the club would take and sought confirmation from his employers that they agreed with his blueprint. This was local self-determination in action. There was no American cultural imperialism.

That is not to accuse Henry of idleness, or absenteeism, a charge he and Werner have been desperate to avoid ever since replacing Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr on a rather happier October day, exactly a year before Suárez turned his spiteful tongue on Evra. That the 62-year-old will be in England within the next seven days, indeed, is evidence of how things have changed. FSG will fight for its investment.

Henry’s first job is likely to be mollifying Standard Chartered, the club’s prime, £20 million-a-season shirt sponsor, unsurprisingly unhappy to find its brand, its logo, suddenly associated rather too readily with a player charged with issuing racist abuse. There is no suggestion as yet that the bank, which boasts 1,700 branches worldwide and considerable reach in the Far East, is reassessing its involvement with the club.

Henry, though, knows that assuring them such toxicity will not be a feature of their association with Liverpool in the future will soothe troubled minds.

Although Henry will also meet Richard Scudamore, the chief executive of the Premier League, in an attempt to smooth relations with the English game’s hierarchy, it is telling that it is when the brand is imperilled that he acts. An editorial in Massachusetts costs nothing; fear rising in the Orient could be expensive indeed.

FSG, like Dalglish, has no intention of selling Suárez; anyone with the briefest knowledge of football would know that the game’s moral compass tends to point in whichever direction leads to success, that clubs do not routinely sell their best players simply to dampen an outcry, no matter how serious the offence. Henry has been long enough in sport to know that another controversy will be stirred, another hellion conjured soon enough to distract attention.

But he has also been aware, from the moment Evra first levelled his charge at Suárez, at how poisonous such an allegation might be. For the player, of course, and for the club. But most of all for the brand. Such corporate jargon is anathema to fans, no more so than those on the Kop whose traditions are pinned to their jackets and daubed on to flags. But that is what Liverpool, and all of their competitors, have become: brands that require consumers, brands that stand and fall by their sponsors.

If Henry’s investment is to work, and Liverpool are to compete once more, he needs a club he can sell worldwide. Ideally, he needs a star player.

It seemed before October that Suárez could be that cornerstone. Now that is in doubt. Player, club and brand have been damaged. It is Henry who must begin to arrest the decline, to begin the Herculean task of wiping the slate clean. There is work to be done.

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Postby Kharhaz » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:26 am

Those who are saying the owners should say something and are in the wrong for leaving it, what are they supposed to say?

They have enough knowledge to know that speaking to the media will end badly. So on that front, they have kept quiet. Behind the scenes who is to say they haven't spoken to Kenny and others about whats gone on? If so I think its fair to say they have kept more with the Liverpool traditions than many who should know better.

Also lets take into account the culture. America is filled with all kinds of different nationalities and so understand what phrases are meant by those cultures, as we have experienced in the Suarez case. Suarez can see no wrong in what he said, all the media, pundits, fans think otherwise.

So like I asked what were they supposed to say? As far publicity goes on their behalf, they have done the right thing, and kept their gob shut.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:38 am

It just makes you realise what a spiteful despicable pair of tw@ts Evra and purple nose are
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Postby yckatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:45 am

Kharhaz wrote:Those who are saying the owners should say something and are in the wrong for leaving it, what are they supposed to say?

They have enough knowledge to know that speaking to the media will end badly. So on that front, they have kept quiet. Behind the scenes who is to say they haven't spoken to Kenny and others about whats gone on? If so I think its fair to say they have kept more with the Liverpool traditions than many who should know better.

Also lets take into account the culture. America is filled with all kinds of different nationalities and so understand what phrases are meant by those cultures, as we have experienced in the Suarez case. Suarez can see no wrong in what he said, all the media, pundits, fans think otherwise.

So like I asked what were they supposed to say? As far publicity goes on their behalf, they have done the right thing, and kept their gob shut.

that article is saying the owners have left the situation to ayre and dalglish and thats fair enough but i dont buy that they didnt know what was going on.
for me the critical point for this whole saga was that day when the players warmed up with suarez t shirts on and the club issued a strong statement.
the t shirts and the statement were the things that sent a `this could be a bit of a cultural missunderstanding` issue into a LFC v the press and the rest of the planet public relations war.
i dont blame the players for wanting to show suarez they were backing him, thats a natural thing for team mates to do but all big companies have chairmen and chief executives who can see where certain situations can lead. that is their job, to set the direction and the tone for the company.
you cant tell me that over an issue as serious as this that our owners werent informed of the stance the club was going to take.
that was the point were the senior management should have said, no everyone calm down and we`ll release a statement to take the heat out of the situation.
thats what management is there for in business.
for the senior management of the club to back our beligerent stance but then when the storm erupts to allow kenny and luis to take all the blame is out of order imo.
i doubt kenny and luis were the ones behind the beligerent statement.
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Postby Kharhaz » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:00 am

yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:that article is saying the owners have left the situation to ayre and dalglish and thats fair enough but i dont buy that they didnt know what was going on.
for me the critical point for this whole saga was that day when the players warmed up with suarez t shirts on and the club issued a strong statement.
the t shirts and the statement were the things that sent a `this could be a bit of a cultural missunderstanding` issue into a LFC v the press and the rest of the planet public relations war.
i dont blame the players for wanting to show suarez they were backing him, thats a natural thing for team mates to do but all big companies have chairmen and chief executives who can see where certain situations can lead. that is their job, to set the direction and the tone for the company.
you cant tell me that over an issue as serious as this that our owners werent informed of the stance the club was going to take.
that was the point were the senior management should have said, no everyone calm down and we`ll release a statement to take the heat out of the situation.
thats what management is there for in business.
for the senior management of the club to back our beligerent stance but then when the storm erupts to allow kenny and luis to take all the blame is out of order imo.
i doubt kenny and luis were the ones behind the beligerent statement.

Take into account everything this club has gone through with Hicks and Gillett. When they took over they also had to suffer them idiots before they took control. During the time FSG took over they have gone out of their way to understand the club, the supporters and the city.

In the process of doing so, they have done wonders to give the fans what they want. Supporters to represent the club, money to spend and indeed appointing our hero to manage the club. THIS speaks volumes to me. They understand what we want.

They also understand that not all supporters share the same view as others. Take for example the SOS. Some supporters couldn't praise them enough, others thought ill of them. So they took all this into account when forming the LFC Supporters Committee (which incidentally I think the initial statement came from, with legal advise of course).

They knew what was going on, they knew the stance of others at the club, but they also knew that to speak to the media in this country, whatever they say will be twisted to make them look like bigots.
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