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by **Kerry07** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:06 pm

If it was Comolli's judgement then id feel much happier, much easier to blame him.

The minority of our fans who are not as critical of Carroll as the rest of us (and everyone outside the club), are so for two reasons:
1.Kenny signed him. Hes Kenny's player, so mocking Carroll is mocking Kenny to a degree.
2.Hes a Liverpool player. The "while hes our player i will support him" philosophy.

If Roy Hodgson had signed Carroll, the geordie would be on the receiving end of some serious abuse. There wouldnt be the "oh Kenny signed him therefore he must have something about him". Andy Carroll is a poor player, not worth more than 12-15m, is suited to a team that plays an uncultured direct game that doesnt expose his well documented limitations on the floor. We have already wasted approx 20m on him (the loss we will make on the transfer), we are now wasting valuable time persisting with him.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:27 pm

Kerry07 wrote:If it was Comolli's judgement then id feel much happier, much easier to blame him.

The minority of our fans who are not as critical of Carroll as the rest of us (and everyone outside the club), are so for two reasons:
1.Kenny signed him. Hes Kenny's player, so mocking Carroll is mocking Kenny to a degree.
2.Hes a Liverpool player. The "while hes our player i will support him" philosophy.

If Roy Hodgson had signed Carroll, the geordie would be on the receiving end of some serious abuse. There wouldnt be the "oh Kenny signed him therefore he must have something about him". Andy Carroll is a poor player, not worth more than 12-15m, is suited to a team that plays an uncultured direct game that doesnt expose his well documented limitations on the floor. We have already wasted approx 20m on him (the loss we will make on the transfer), we are now wasting valuable time persisting with him.

I support Carroll because i think he can offer us something different when he finds form and confidence.

Who says your in the majority ?

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:29 pm

Kerry07 wrote:If it was Comolli's judgement then id feel much happier, much easier to blame him.

The minority of our fans who are not as critical of Carroll as the rest of us (and everyone outside the club), are so for two reasons:
1.Kenny signed him. Hes Kenny's player, so mocking Carroll is mocking Kenny to a degree.
2.Hes a Liverpool player. The "while hes our player i will support him" philosophy.

If Roy Hodgson had signed Carroll, the geordie would be on the receiving end of some serious abuse. There wouldnt be the "oh Kenny signed him therefore he must have something about him". Andy Carroll is a poor player, not worth more than 12-15m, is suited to a team that plays an uncultured direct game that doesnt expose his well documented limitations on the floor. We have already wasted approx 20m on him (the loss we will make on the transfer), we are now wasting valuable time persisting with him.

I love it when youre angry

You forgot number 3 by the way-
3. He hasnt had enough time i.e a run of games to give him the opportunity to click or for others to put quality balls in the box

He has scored more goals than Crouch did in the same amount of time on the pitch, and like PC he should get support from SUPPORTERS

swalk

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:59 pm

Kerry07 wrote:If it was Comolli's judgement then id feel much happier, much easier to blame him.

The minority of our fans who are not as critical of Carroll as the rest of us (and everyone outside the club), are so for two reasons:
1.Kenny signed him. Hes Kenny's player, so mocking Carroll is mocking Kenny to a degree.
2.Hes a Liverpool player. The "while hes our player i will support him" philosophy.

If Roy Hodgson had signed Carroll, the geordie would be on the receiving end of some serious abuse. There wouldnt be the "oh Kenny signed him therefore he must have something about him". Andy Carroll is a poor player, not worth more than 12-15m, is suited to a team that plays an uncultured direct game that doesnt expose his well documented limitations on the floor. We have already wasted approx 20m on him (the loss we will make on the transfer), we are now wasting valuable time persisting with him.

What makes you think the minority view isn't yours? Does Carroll get grief at Anfield........not really.

I would suggest your opinion of Carroll is the minority.

by **maguskwt** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:17 am

Thommo's perm wrote:3. He hasnt had enough time i.e a run of games to give him the opportunity to click or for others to put quality balls in the box

I'm sorry but that's total BS...

Whenever Kenny gave him full games, he turns in a lacklustre display, it is Carroll and Carroll alone which makes it hard for Kenny.

And that thing about quality balls... it is the centre forward as much as the crosser who make crosses become quality. Carroll's positioning is abysmal. His anticipation is as slow as my grandmother's. Kuyt is so much better at anticipation than Carroll...

It is time to stop making excuses for Carroll, call a spade a spade... he is a very limited footballer who is only good for a midtable premier league club... and Kenny made an error in judgement... it happens, no big deal (except for the 35 million going down the drain), move on and get a better centre forward...

by **maguskwt** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:22 am

Thommo's perm wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:So you agree with Kerry that KK hasnt got a Fu*king clue because he bought a one dimensional, limited donkey who cant even stand up on a football pitch?
A uselss, worthless dope who cant even be arsed trying to tackle and has made us a laughing stock across europe.
Dalglish has made the mother of all fu'ck ups here, no matter who tries to seperate him from blame or responsibility. He has spent our biggest transfer fee on our worst ever player and there can only be one conclusion for this disgraceful fiasco:
Both of them should fu'ck off and never darken our door again

Even the best managers make the biggest mistakes. We can all think of players signed by other managers that haven't, ultimately, prevented their clubs from being successful. Kenny should be judged in the same way -- by his transfer record as a whole and his ability to mould a winning team, not by single instances.

I'd say it's testament to his managerial abilities that we're still in the hunt for fourth and only a game away from Wembley despite the failings of the likes of Carroll.

Nice try mate but this is not a mistake, its a catastrophe.
Name me another clueless, inexperienced, useless, talentless, unproven carthorse who has had so much money paid for him?
It looks like KK has embarrassed himself and disgraced the good name of LFC with this bizarre and unbelievable signing.
What did he see that made him stake his, and our, reputation on this freak? Surely he must have watched Carroll before spending £35 million on him? Did he really think he could make a silk purse out of a sows ear? KK has split the fans worse than Rafa and Roy and its time for him to go if this is the best he can do.

have i said before that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?

by **Calum** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:45 am

I think the best thing that can happen to Andy Carroll is to spend the rest of the season on loan back at Newcastle. I think he would regain his confidence back home. Andy is woefully out of form and I can't see him improving here.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:35 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:3. He hasnt had enough time i.e a run of games to give him the opportunity to click or for others to put quality balls in the box

I'm sorry but that's total BS...

Whenever Kenny gave him full games, he turns in a lacklustre display, it is Carroll and Carroll alone which makes it hard for Kenny.

And that thing about quality balls... it is the centre forward as much as the crosser who make crosses become quality. Carroll's positioning is abysmal. His anticipation is as slow as my grandmother's. Kuyt is so much better at anticipation than Carroll...

It is time to stop making excuses for Carroll, call a spade a spade... he is a very limited footballer who is only good for a midtable premier league club... and Kenny made an error in judgement... it happens, no big deal (except for the 35 million going down the drain), move on and get a better centre forward...

He hasnt had a consistent 10 game+ run in the team, fact.
Sometimes it is painful to watch a player mis-timing and mis-firing or just plain missing. But it happens. Its happened before and it will happen again. Its part of football. Get over it.
To use Kuyt as an example is laughable. His first touch is disgraceful and he has very little technical ability but has quite rightly been given time and support.
As far as it being no big deal. Really? All the screaming about him being sh'ite and possibly the worst player to wear a red shirt, and of course the "£35 million!" albatross around his neck. People need to make their mind up wether its important or not because what I can see is people enraged with KK on one hand then playing his biggest fu'ck up down on the other.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:40 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:So you agree with Kerry that KK hasnt got a Fu*king clue because he bought a one dimensional, limited donkey who cant even stand up on a football pitch?
A uselss, worthless dope who cant even be arsed trying to tackle and has made us a laughing stock across europe.
Dalglish has made the mother of all fu'ck ups here, no matter who tries to seperate him from blame or responsibility. He has spent our biggest transfer fee on our worst ever player and there can only be one conclusion for this disgraceful fiasco:
Both of them should fu'ck off and never darken our door again

Even the best managers make the biggest mistakes. We can all think of players signed by other managers that haven't, ultimately, prevented their clubs from being successful. Kenny should be judged in the same way -- by his transfer record as a whole and his ability to mould a winning team, not by single instances.

I'd say it's testament to his managerial abilities that we're still in the hunt for fourth and only a game away from Wembley despite the failings of the likes of Carroll.

Nice try mate but this is not a mistake, its a catastrophe.
Name me another clueless, inexperienced, useless, talentless, unproven carthorse who has had so much money paid for him?
It looks like KK has embarrassed himself and disgraced the good name of LFC with this bizarre and unbelievable signing.
What did he see that made him stake his, and our, reputation on this freak? Surely he must have watched Carroll before spending £35 million on him? Did he really think he could make a silk purse out of a sows ear? KK has split the fans worse than Rafa and Roy and its time for him to go if this is the best he can do.

have i said before that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?

But also the cleverest.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:23 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:So you agree with Kerry that KK hasnt got a Fu*king clue because he bought a one dimensional, limited donkey who cant even stand up on a football pitch?
A uselss, worthless dope who cant even be arsed trying to tackle and has made us a laughing stock across europe.
Dalglish has made the mother of all fu'ck ups here, no matter who tries to seperate him from blame or responsibility. He has spent our biggest transfer fee on our worst ever player and there can only be one conclusion for this disgraceful fiasco:
Both of them should fu'ck off and never darken our door again

Even the best managers make the biggest mistakes. We can all think of players signed by other managers that haven't, ultimately, prevented their clubs from being successful. Kenny should be judged in the same way -- by his transfer record as a whole and his ability to mould a winning team, not by single instances.

I'd say it's testament to his managerial abilities that we're still in the hunt for fourth and only a game away from Wembley despite the failings of the likes of Carroll.

Nice try mate but this is not a mistake, its a catastrophe.
Name me another clueless, inexperienced, useless, talentless, unproven carthorse who has had so much money paid for him?
It looks like KK has embarrassed himself and disgraced the good name of LFC with this bizarre and unbelievable signing.
What did he see that made him stake his, and our, reputation on this freak? Surely he must have watched Carroll before spending £35 million on him? Did he really think he could make a silk purse out of a sows ear? KK has split the fans worse than Rafa and Roy and its time for him to go if this is the best he can do.

have i said before that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?

But also the cleverest.

by **maguskwt** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:05 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:3. He hasnt had enough time i.e a run of games to give him the opportunity to click or for others to put quality balls in the box

I'm sorry but that's total BS...

Whenever Kenny gave him full games, he turns in a lacklustre display, it is Carroll and Carroll alone which makes it hard for Kenny.

And that thing about quality balls... it is the centre forward as much as the crosser who make crosses become quality. Carroll's positioning is abysmal. His anticipation is as slow as my grandmother's. Kuyt is so much better at anticipation than Carroll...

It is time to stop making excuses for Carroll, call a spade a spade... he is a very limited footballer who is only good for a midtable premier league club... and Kenny made an error in judgement... it happens, no big deal (except for the 35 million going down the drain), move on and get a better centre forward...

He hasnt had a consistent 10 game+ run in the team, fact.
Sometimes it is painful to watch a player mis-timing and mis-firing or just plain missing. But it happens. Its happened before and it will happen again. Its part of football. Get over it.
To use Kuyt as an example is laughable. His first touch is disgraceful and he has very little technical ability but has quite rightly been given time and support.
As far as it being no big deal. Really? All the screaming about him being sh'ite and possibly the worst player to wear a red shirt, and of course the "£35 million!" albatross around his neck. People need to make their mind up wether its important or not because what I can see is people enraged with KK on one hand then playing his biggest fu'ck up down on the other.

He hasnt had a consistent 10 game+ run in the team because he hasn't been good enough, fact ( :glare:

). Somebody has already mentioned that when Crouch had a run of games without scoring he contributed to the team play much much more than Carroll... Carroll is a lazy unmotivated player in most games.

Yes it IS painful to watch a player mis-timing and mis-firing or just plain missing. If it happens as often as it happens to Carroll, then it is very much reasonable not to give him 10+ run of games ( :glare:

... and I don't need to get over it... maybe some of us need to get over the fact that Carroll doesn't get games because he doesn't deserve it).

To use Kuyt as an example is not laughable unfortunately. It is rather sad because Kuyt is a better overall striker than Carroll. And I'm sure you understand the difference between anticipation and technical ability. Talking about having very little technical ability, it's not as if Carroll has tons of it.

And yes it is not a big deal to admit that alas! Carroll is a limited player which some people seem to be having difficulty accepting. As far as making up one's mind, yes I have made up my mind... I have made up my mind that Kenny and whoever's involved in recruiting Carroll got it wrong and that he is simply not good enough to wear the red shirt and that it will be best for all parties to accept it, move on and get a better centre forward.

BTW where is carroll against stoke? dropped? I wonder why?

by **Kukilon** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:09 pm

Give him away for free or trade him for Ngog. He is that bad. Most useless player I have ever seen play for us. Traore would run eights around him.

by **Dundalk** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:13 pm

Ngog offered more.

I'm sorry but this has to go down as the worst transfer of all time. The guy simply can't play football.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:15 pm

Dundalk wrote:Ngog offered more.

I'm sorry but this has to go down as the worst transfer of all time. The guy simply can't play football.

Yet he could at Newcastle?

I'm not saying Carroll is worth it by any means, but there is something majorly wrong with our scouts. Players who are performing well elsewhere just aren't fitting in for whatever reason.

Carroll was polific at Newcastle, he didn't just become sh!t, there is more to it.

I have no idea what it is, but all too often we are buying players, and they are just sh!te for us... no idea why

by **Kukilon** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:20 pm

He was good for 6 months... it's not like he had been the dogs :censored:

for years and years.

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