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devaney wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:

Waldo wrote:I think Carroll will start tonight. Hopefully he scores and it shuts up some on here!!

Even if he scored three overhead kicks from his own half it wouldnt be enough

Well if he does not only will I shut up about the lads lack of ability I will pay Suarez's fine and ask for the ban to be increased !!!!!!!!

I think Suarez will start tonight anyway and score!

Right and wrong

By the way KK is doing Carroll and us no favours by bringing him on so late

only me wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:

killerp wrote:Now is your chance Andy! Suarez will be missing for 8 games, this is a great time to make a name for yourself! for good reasons....I hope.

"hope" being the operative word. The reason many of us are devastated about the scandalous treatment of Luis by the corrupt little englander FA... is knowing the price we pay with his absence with there being no adequate back up.

Lets pretend its not us... in any other situation when you lose a player for 8 games... "ahh its ok.. we have a 35 million pound striker so it aint so bad"... unfortunately in our case that 35 million pound striker is called andy carroll. Our season will more or less be decided in those 8 games. I will be pleasantly surprised if our season is still intact after that period.

I think we can all agree that Carrol hasn't lived up to expectations yet ,and forget about the price tag for a minute, But.....Some reality check for you:

The WHOLE team scored only 20 goals!

The bottom 2 teams in the league scored more then us!

Our top scorer (Suarez) has only 4-5 goals!

The backbone of the team (Midfield) is having a pretty avarage year (Adam, Hendo and Downing) ,and they bare the responsibility to create the chances!

So Yes we could all blame Carrol for that but facts speak louder then words ,our Whole attacking game/system stinks and needs rehabilitation.

devaney wrote:

only me wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:

killerp wrote:Now is your chance Andy! Suarez will be missing for 8 games, this is a great time to make a name for yourself! for good reasons....I hope.

"hope" being the operative word. The reason many of us are devastated about the scandalous treatment of Luis by the corrupt little englander FA... is knowing the price we pay with his absence with there being no adequate back up.

Lets pretend its not us... in any other situation when you lose a player for 8 games... "ahh its ok.. we have a 35 million pound striker so it aint so bad"... unfortunately in our case that 35 million pound striker is called andy carroll. Our season will more or less be decided in those 8 games. I will be pleasantly surprised if our season is still intact after that period.

I think we can all agree that Carrol hasn't lived up to expectations yet ,and forget about the price tag for a minute, But.....Some reality check for you:

The WHOLE team scored only 20 goals!

The bottom 2 teams in the league scored more then us!

Our top scorer (Suarez) has only 4-5 goals!

The backbone of the team (Midfield) is having a pretty avarage year (Adam, Hendo and Downing) ,and they bare the responsibility to create the chances!

So Yes we could all blame Carrol for that but facts speak louder then words ,our Whole attacking game/system stinks and needs rehabilitation.

And we have hit the woodwork nearly 20 times,missed penalties,subjected to some poor refereeing decisions and come up against goalkeepers in amazing form.

Frankly I think we have created quite a lot of chances.Look at the first 25 minutes last night for example.However you want to spin it Carroll is not the future.

only me wrote:The WHOLE team scored only 20 goals!

Benny The Noon wrote:Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

are you gonna do the same with Charlie Adam?

Kerry07 wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

My slating him is not out of proportion tho. I'm not on a crusade against him, nor am i picking on him unfairly.

I can understand those who hold back on criticism (you and Ola any many others), and just back the team. Thats fine, noble even, and at the game i would do likewise, however this is such a pivotal issue...the lack of a finisher is our biggest problem... we create umpteen chances (and have arguably one of the most creative strikers in the world)... and yet we have no one to finish them. Thats where the 35 million pound spent should come in. Its that gaping hole that has been the difference from us being right up there.. to where we are now. We have an excellent goalkeeper, solid defence, very good central mid (notably when Stevie is back), and a top creative forward.. the missing piece is a #9. Put a genuine 35 million pound striker in our side and we aint sitting where we are now thats for sure.

Its that frustration of where we would be had we bought a 35 million pound calibre forward. You look at Van Persie's difference to Arsenal this year, Rooney's difference to man u in almost winning the league single handedly for them in 2010. The amount we paid (35m and 22m wages... 57m total) is what you buy for a "difference maker"... thats the players who take u to a different level. Unfortunately we did indeed spend money on a difference maker... the difference is he makes us worse. Most top teams only have one or two difference makers, and 9 solid players. Thats all u need.. its what man u have right now, its what man city have now (u take out Silva they aint half the side). The Carroll signing was a cataclysmic error which is why it merits the closest of scrutiny.

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Thommo's perm wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

My slating him is not out of proportion tho. I'm not on a crusade against him, nor am i picking on him unfairly.

I can understand those who hold back on criticism (you and Ola any many others), and just back the team. Thats fine, noble even, and at the game i would do likewise, however this is such a pivotal issue...the lack of a finisher is our biggest problem... we create umpteen chances (and have arguably one of the most creative strikers in the world)... and yet we have no one to finish them. Thats where the 35 million pound spent should come in. Its that gaping hole that has been the difference from us being right up there.. to where we are now. We have an excellent goalkeeper, solid defence, very good central mid (notably when Stevie is back), and a top creative forward.. the missing piece is a #9. Put a genuine 35 million pound striker in our side and we aint sitting where we are now thats for sure.

Its that frustration of where we would be had we bought a 35 million pound calibre forward. You look at Van Persie's difference to Arsenal this year, Rooney's difference to man u in almost winning the league single handedly for them in 2010. The amount we paid (35m and 22m wages... 57m total) is what you buy for a "difference maker"... thats the players who take u to a different level. Unfortunately we did indeed spend money on a difference maker... the difference is he makes us worse. Most top teams only have one or two difference makers, and 9 solid players. Thats all u need.. its what man u have right now, its what man city have now (u take out Silva they aint half the side). The Carroll signing was a cataclysmic error which is why it merits the closest of scrutiny.

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Kerry07 wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

My slating him is not out of proportion tho. I'm not on a crusade against him, nor am i picking on him unfairly.

I can understand those who hold back on criticism (you and Ola any many others), and just back the team. Thats fine, noble even, and at the game i would do likewise, however this is such a pivotal issue...the lack of a finisher is our biggest problem... we create umpteen chances (and have arguably one of the most creative strikers in the world)... and yet we have no one to finish them. Thats where the 35 million pound spent should come in. Its that gaping hole that has been the difference from us being right up there.. to where we are now. We have an excellent goalkeeper, solid defence, very good central mid (notably when Stevie is back), and a top creative forward.. the missing piece is a #9. Put a genuine 35 million pound striker in our side and we aint sitting where we are now thats for sure.

Its that frustration of where we would be had we bought a 35 million pound calibre forward. You look at Van Persie's difference to Arsenal this year, Rooney's difference to man u in almost winning the league single handedly for them in 2010. The amount we paid (35m and 22m wages... 57m total) is what you buy for a "difference maker"... thats the players who take u to a different level. Unfortunately we did indeed spend money on a difference maker... the difference is he makes us worse. Most top teams only have one or two difference makers, and 9 solid players. Thats all u need.. its what man u have right now, its what man city have now (u take out Silva they aint half the side). The Carroll signing was a cataclysmic error which is why it merits the closest of scrutiny.