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[devaney]

Very wrong to blame Andy Carroll for today's performance. Suarez's selfishness at times was incredibly frustrating. His goal scoring record is poor and he constantly tries the impossible which most of the time doesn't come off. Love the lad but it is a team game.It would be very easy to single out several other players for well deserved criticism as well.

the bloke is shattered, both physically and mentally.

KK should drop him. Give him a chance to recharge his batteries and give others the chance to shine.

I am still convinced however that Andy Carroll's lack of ability and footballing intelligence have an adverse affect on the team and I really do not think it is my imagination. As I have said it would be wrong to just blame him for today's performance but apart from Spurs this season that was our worst performance and Carroll played the full 90 minutes.

Cant agree
It wasnt a bad performance. We were all over them. It was bad finishing and not being ruthless in front of goal. Carroll is included in that but he is not the only one guilty of not scoring

We were playing an awful team and totally lacked the ability to put the game to sleep.Creation and finishing were a real problem. Just look at City and United's scores against Stoke Fulham and Wigan over the last week. If it's not bad then I am lost for words as to how I can adequately describe our shortcomings.

[redhayesy]

what u mean on "todays evidence"? I have an entire careers evidence.

Hes bloody awful, and the same sick feeling i had on deadline day when i saw the Sky sports news yellow ticker going across the screen that we had bid 30 million for him (which thankfully had been turned down... until the madness continued with an extra 5) has remained the same. The opening page of this thread shows u how much this signing hurt people (and thats before his 4 goals since)

i totally agree with you! i was just pointing out that i have kept quiet up untill now,cause today was a massive reminder to anyone who thinks he will get better. itsn't it also typical of this forum that not only has my post on him before we even signed him & my reasons on my opinions why have gone astay! the 'the topic has been blocked'

& the response i got from a poster in my original post was HA HA! well my response to that poster is this - who's laughing now mate-cause it certianly isn't me! he isn't good enough & i'm convinced that deep down KK know's it also- cause as much as i admire KK for supporting carroll in public,i think that he doesn't rate him-cause if he did he would have picked him more often or of given him more play time from the bench.
like david fairclough said on LFC TV the other night-when he was being overlooked for what ever reason in his day,he would bust a gut in training,put in every effort to make the manager sit up & take notice of him-make sure the manager was aware of his desire & hunger to get into the side! & that may be andy carroll's problem -he's not or appears not to be doing everthing he can to convince the manager he deserves a plce in the starting 11.

i totally agree with him on that-cause after he was given a golden opportunity today to convince KK otherwise,he failed bigtime-for me that's down to attitude & desire-andy carroll is out of his depth at LFC. i will stand by that untill he proves me wrong-i'd love him to -but i,like lot's of others won't be holding my breath.

as for the notion that stick by him like we did with crouch.- the difference is that crouch,had a brilliant attitude from the day he signed for us,kept working his socks off to improve his contol,touch,alround game & made sure his hard work would pay off. for me carroll needs to take a leaf out of crouch's book & then might be given more game time etc than he get's atm.

[Thommo's perm]

Very wrong to blame Andy Carroll for today's performance. Suarez's selfishness at times was incredibly frustrating. His goal scoring record is poor and he constantly tries the impossible which most of the time doesn't come off. Love the lad but it is a team game.It would be very easy to single out several other players for well deserved criticism as well.

the bloke is shattered, both physically and mentally.

KK should drop him. Give him a chance to recharge his batteries and give others the chance to shine.

I am still convinced however that Andy Carroll's lack of ability and footballing intelligence have an adverse affect on the team and I really do not think it is my imagination. As I have said it would be wrong to just blame him for today's performance but apart from Spurs this season that was our worst performance and Carroll played the full 90 minutes.

Cant agree
It wasnt a bad performance. We were all over them. It was bad finishing and not being ruthless in front of goal. Carroll is included in that but he is not the only one guilty of not scoring

We were playing an awful team and totally lacked the ability to put the game to sleep.Creation and finishing were a real problem. Just look at City and United's scores against Stoke Fulham and Wigan over the last week. If it's not bad then I am lost for words as to how I can adequately describe our shortcomings.

Im not saying its not that bad. I am gutted we have dropped so many points, but on the positive side we are the architects of our own misery. It is not other teams who are beating us, it is ourselves who are Fu*king up.

[ethanr]

At least Carroll got some of his efforts on target - more than can be said of others on the pitch .

Our problem today was not Andy Carroll and he did not effect the way we played - today was just like most games , delivery into the box and wasteful finishing .

& mate the whole point is that! you have controdicted yourself by your post cause it was down to the likes of andy carroll that we didn't win due to his wasteful finishing! some of his efforts may have been on target -feck that he has been given a golden oppotunity today to stake a first team place & feckinf blew it!

his alround game & attitude isn't good enough & as much as i don't rate him-he is a LFC player so i will cheer him on.& hope he proves me wrong but on today's evidence as a striker sorry mate i have to dis-agree with you-for me he isn't good enough.

Luis missed even more chances than big Andy did today mate, but nobody is going after him as the scapegoat... THe difference was that Carroll actually had 2 really good efforts on target that forced world class saves.  THere's nothing you can do when the other keeper makes saves like that.

[Kerry07]

Better performance from him today, convinced he'll also start against Newcastle. The game is ideal if motivation is the issue. Also with Gerrard coming providing the killer instinct and unselfish attitude I could see him score.

Don't listen to that muppet Kerry, Crouch went how long before he started scoring consistently. Crouch was given half a season of full starts before he provided some payback. The bare truth is that is our midfield had taken half the chances we've created this season there would be no reason not to persist with Carroll. Unfortunately for Carroll with our misfiring team we cannot afford to persist with Carroll.

Things are about to change though. I'll make a bold prediction now that Carroll will score 10+ goals come now and the end of the season (All competitions and barring injury)

I know i shouldn't comment on this ignorant comparison, but unlike this misfit, Crouch could play on the floor, and he never once made us worse. He fully merited his place in the team prior to his 2 goals vs Wigan and i dont recall there being many calls for him to be dropped.. i certainly didn't.

The team that attacked in waves at Fulham last season that had everyone (not just us) raving about how much of a danger we could be next season... we abandoned that the following game when the lumbering, limited, immobile geordie misfit was chosen.. and we looked like a different (sh1t) team. One looked free flowing.. the other looked toothless. You put Andy Carroll slap bang in the middle of that Barcelona forward line.. all those runs, fast fluid interchanging of play, one twos, link ups, all ruined. We seen an infinitely superior player Ibrahimovic be turfed out after one season.

As ive said, its not about goals (thats only 1 small aspect) its what the player brings to the team... and this player stifles it. If Luis Suarez never scored another goal this season but put in displays (like the 3-1 vs Man U) week in week out then we'd all be ecstatic. We are infinitely worse when this misfit plays, and Luis Suarez is one who suffers miore than anyone when this happens as there is no mobile, technically adept player to link up with.. just a lumbering, slow, limited geordie lump. There is also no one for Adam, Gerrard (or any of the midfielders) to play a ball through the defence for a player to run on to. The static lump wouldnt latch onto it in a month of sundays

He will get the odd goal every now and then (hes got 2 in half a season so im confident he can at least emulate that).. but its the effect he has on the team that is the most damning thing.

[Octsky]

Carroll had 3 big chances to score.
the 3-yard attempt that was saved by the keeper. u can say that it is a point blank
world class save or u can say that Carroll shoot directly at the keeper.
then there was the header that missed by inches and the flick on from the last corner. 

i still remember sometimes judas only had a sniff at goal all game and he scored from that chance.
one chance one goal. that clinical. and what we be looking for in a forward.

i am not going to write him off as Crouchie took 17 games to score his first goal and turned out
fine for us in the end. only the 35m transfer fee is a big issue...

[yellsub66]

From a reliable source on Twitter (apparently).

Make of it what you will?

RT @alantkayll: LFC willing to let Carroll go. No interest in Torres at all.


yellsub66

[jacdaniel]

Doubt he will be sold in January anyways, especially with Suarez's ban an all that.  Maybe in the summer if he doesn't show improvement between now and then

[stmichael]

From a reliable source on Twitter (apparently).

[Kopite-Jud]

Offer him Swansea in a straight swap deal for Danny Graham

[Kerry07]

From a reliable source on Twitter (apparently).

Make of it what you will?

RT @alantkayll: LFC willing to let Carroll go. No interest in Torres at all.


yellsub66

its an excellent source (as good as u can get on twatter).

Would be extremely happy if this occured, however id look for a loan (to a direct long ball team such as Stoke which cater to his limitations)..to increase his value. Theres no way we would get more than 15 for him so unless the owners are prepared to accept a 20 million pound loss then theres no way a permanent transfer will take place in January.

[alwayslfc]

He was brilliant at Newc. Various reasons have been given to explain why he's below par here eg still not fully fit, not used to Liverpool way.

I was reading the old news from end of Jan 2011 regarding his last minute transfer to Liverpool. He had just signed a 5 yr contract with New. Utd 3 months before he left for Liverpool and he text the editor of some football magazine that he didn't want to leave his beloved home town club. It was the greed of their owner Ashley who wanted the money and so he was shown the door, but Newcastle said he handed a transfer request at the end of January to cover up the greed of money grabbing Ashley. That can't be right because why would you sign a 5 year contract with your club, only to hand in a transfer request 3 months later? That doesn't make sense. So he came here as someone being forced out of his club because of the greed of their owner.

So Liverpool spent 35 million on a player who didn't want to be here and didn't want to leave his club. Would such a player be mentally prepared to do his best for his new club? I don't think so. He's going to need time to settle at Liverpool. I feel sorry for the lad to be honest.

[Thommo's perm]

This is a great opportunity for Carroll to show what he can do
Im not that bothered if he doesnt score as long as we win

[Greavesie]

From a reliable source on Twitter (apparently).

Make of it what you will?

RT @alantkayll: LFC willing to let Carroll go. No interest in Torres at all.


yellsub66

its an excellent source (as good as u can get on twatter).

Would be extremely happy if this occured, however id look for a loan (to a direct long ball team such as Stoke which cater to his limitations)..to increase his value. Theres no way we would get more than 15 for him so unless the owners are prepared to accept a 20 million pound loss then theres no way a permanent transfer will take place in January.

you'd be extremely happy if Carroll was sold...wow, you really do have it in for this lad dont you

[Ola Mr Benitez]

His performances have improved the last couple of games he has played.  He has worked hard for the team and laid the ball off intelligently and has been close to scoring on several occasions.

He needs a run in the team and a boost of confidence.

I asked a few pages back, but none of the knockers ansswered, Have we been scoring loads of goals when Andy has not been playing?  The answer of course is NO, so lets give the lad the same support and encouragement we have given the rest of the team and not make him the scapegoat for the position we are currently in.

In many ways he is the man we should blame least as out of all the "goal scorers" in our squad he has had the least time on the pitch