Andy Carroll signs for West Ham

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Postby Ola Mr Benitez » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:09 pm

Kerry07 wrote:I've never seen one player have such a negative impact on the entire team.. as this pathetic excuse does. The static carthorse (two words that succintly sum him up) stifles the forward play. Suarez becomes a lesser player as theres no movement beside him.

Eric Meijer had a better touch. I cant see anything he offers.

You are a Dick head.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:10 pm

Kerry07 wrote:I've never seen one player have such a negative impact on the entire team.. as this pathetic excuse does. The static carthorse (two words that succintly sum him up) stifles the forward play. Suarez becomes a lesser player as theres no movement beside him.

Eric Meijer had a better touch. I cant see anything he offers.

You are making it up as you go along. Maybe you didnt see his effort saved at close range in the first half? Or the headed effort in the second half which went just wide?
You are moaning like an arl tart, exaggerating to make your point. (Im not saying you are old and I know its impolite to ask your age)
IF you are a suporter then support and stop behaving like some hormonal, spiteful bitch
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Postby parchpea » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:15 pm

Most of this lads problems are that he never wanted to leave Newcastle and only wound up here because we made a jaw dropping bid. Usually players come to Liverpool because they want to but Carrolls heart is in Newcastle and not here simple as that. I dont think he will ever be able to do any decent work outside Newcastle and we are flogging a dead horse with him now. Only pride is keeping him here now really with the club looking foolish over the deal. Had we paid £10m I guarantee the lad would be away in January no question about it.
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Postby Kerry07 » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:19 pm

Hes got 2 goals.. half the season gone. But thats not the worst of it.. its how much the immobile lumbering carthorse ruins the forward play.

Bellamy is magnificent at Villa, scores one and sets up the other... next two games hes on the bench.. and gets 10 minutes today.

Blackburn, rooted at the bottom, have scored 4 more goals than us.

If people want to put their head in the sand, kneel at the feet of Kenny, go ahead. We're f**ked as things stand so maybe its wise.
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Postby redhayesy » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:21 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:At least Carroll got some of his efforts on target - more than can be said of others on the pitch .

Our problem today was not Andy Carroll and he did not effect the way we played - today was just like most games , :censored: delivery into the box and wasteful finishing .

& mate the whole point is that! you have controdicted yourself by your post cause it was down to the likes of andy carroll that we didn't win due to his wasteful finishing! some of his efforts may have been on target -feck that he has been given a golden oppotunity today to stake a first team place & feckinf blew it!

his alround game & attitude isn't good enough & as much as i don't rate him-he is a LFC player so i will cheer him on.& hope he proves me wrong but on today's evidence as a striker sorry mate i have to dis-agree with you-for me he isn't good enough.
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Postby Ola Mr Benitez » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:24 pm

Can I ask a question? When Andy Carroll isn't in the team, are we scoring loads of goals?
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Postby Kerry07 » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:30 pm

what u mean on "todays evidence"? I have an entire careers evidence.

Hes bloody awful, and the same sick feeling i had on deadline day when i saw the Sky sports news yellow ticker going across the screen that we had bid 30 million for him (which thankfully had been turned down... until the madness continued with an extra 5) has remained the same. The opening page of this thread shows u how much this signing hurt people (and thats before his 4 goals since)
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:30 pm

Kerry07 wrote:Hes got 2 goals.. half the season gone. But thats not the worst of it.. its how much the immobile lumbering carthorse ruins the forward play.

Bellamy is magnificent at Villa, scores one and sets up the other... next two games hes on the bench.. and gets 10 minutes today.

Blackburn, rooted at the bottom, have scored 4 more goals than us.

If people want to put their head in the sand, kneel at the feet of Kenny, go ahead. We're f**ked as things stand so maybe its wise.

Seriously love you are ranting now
"If people want to put their head in the sand" Haha whos doing that? We have a team, thats right, a TEAM, thats misfiring. We are poor in possession giving the ball away consistently. We are poor in the final third with nearly everyone wasting chance after chance and second rate goalkeepers playing out of their skin. Yet you, somewhat irrationately, choose to make Carroll the focus of your female wrath. Added on to that you feel that KK is not the man to lead us forward, but dont want him sacked.
Have a cup of tea and put your feet up for a bit. It might calm you down a bit
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Postby devaney » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:48 pm

Very wrong to blame Andy Carroll for today's performance. Suarez's selfishness at times was incredibly frustrating. His goal scoring record is poor and he constantly tries the impossible which most of the time doesn't come off. Love the lad but it is a team game.It would be very easy to single out several other players for well deserved criticism as well.
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Postby stmichael » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:49 pm

devaney wrote:Very wrong to blame Andy Carroll for today's performance. Suarez's selfishness at times was incredibly frustrating. His goal scoring record is poor and he constantly tries the impossible which most of the time doesn't come off. Love the lad but it is a team game.It would be very easy to single out several other players for well deserved criticism as well.

the bloke is shattered, both physically and mentally.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:54 pm

stmichael wrote:
devaney wrote:Very wrong to blame Andy Carroll for today's performance. Suarez's selfishness at times was incredibly frustrating. His goal scoring record is poor and he constantly tries the impossible which most of the time doesn't come off. Love the lad but it is a team game.It would be very easy to single out several other players for well deserved criticism as well.

the bloke is shattered, both physically and mentally.

KK should drop him. Give him a chance to recharge his batteries and give others the chance to shine.
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Postby andy_g » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:59 pm

no need to drop him, he's got an extended break coming right up
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:10 pm

Better performance from him today, convinced he'll also start against Newcastle. The game is ideal if motivation is the issue. Also with Gerrard coming providing the killer instinct and unselfish attitude I could see him score.

Don't listen to that muppet Kerry, Crouch went how long before he started scoring consistently. Crouch was given half a season of full starts before he provided some payback. The bare truth is that is our midfield had taken half the chances we've created this season there would be no reason not to persist with Carroll. Unfortunately for Carroll with our misfiring team we cannot afford to persist with Carroll.

Things are about to change though. I'll make a bold prediction now that Carroll will score 10+ goals come now and the end of the season (All competitions and barring injury)
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Postby devaney » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:13 pm

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stmichael wrote:
devaney wrote:Very wrong to blame Andy Carroll for today's performance. Suarez's selfishness at times was incredibly frustrating. His goal scoring record is poor and he constantly tries the impossible which most of the time doesn't come off. Love the lad but it is a team game.It would be very easy to single out several other players for well deserved criticism as well.

the bloke is shattered, both physically and mentally.

KK should drop him. Give him a chance to recharge his batteries and give others the chance to shine.

I am still convinced however that Andy Carroll's lack of ability and footballing intelligence have an adverse affect on the team and I really do not think it is my imagination. As I have said it would be wrong to just blame him for today's performance but apart from Spurs this season that was our worst performance and Carroll played the full 90 minutes.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:20 pm

devaney wrote:
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stmichael wrote:
devaney wrote:Very wrong to blame Andy Carroll for today's performance. Suarez's selfishness at times was incredibly frustrating. His goal scoring record is poor and he constantly tries the impossible which most of the time doesn't come off. Love the lad but it is a team game.It would be very easy to single out several other players for well deserved criticism as well.

the bloke is shattered, both physically and mentally.

KK should drop him. Give him a chance to recharge his batteries and give others the chance to shine.

I am still convinced however that Andy Carroll's lack of ability and footballing intelligence have an adverse affect on the team and I really do not think it is my imagination. As I have said it would be wrong to just blame him for today's performance but apart from Spurs this season that was our worst performance and Carroll played the full 90 minutes.

Cant agree
It wasnt a bad performance. We were all over them. It was bad finishing and not being ruthless in front of goal. Carroll is included in that but he is not the only one guilty of not scoring
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