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[Fowler_E7]

Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

are you gonna do the same with Charlie Adam?

Do I write paragraphs critisizing Adam on a daily basis ?

Adam was praised when he was doing well and critisized when not doing so well but nowhere near the daily updates we get from Kerry .

If that's the best you can come up with I would give up now .

its fine for you to criticize Charlie Adam the same way it is for others to criticize Andy Carroll, its all about opinions, yet whenever someone criticizes a player you like, you tell every one to give them time and to support them, when you dont practice what you preach on countless occasions, eg Joe Cole, Poulsen, Adam and Roy Hodgson. Pot Kettle Black

[ethanr]

Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

My slating him is not out of proportion tho. I'm not on a crusade against him, nor am i picking on him unfairly.

I can understand those who hold back on criticism (you and Ola any many others), and just back the team. Thats fine, noble even, and at the game i would do likewise, however this is such a pivotal issue...the lack of a finisher is our biggest problem... we create umpteen chances (and have arguably one of the most creative strikers in the world)... and yet we have no one to finish them. Thats where the 35 million pound spent should come in. Its that gaping hole that has been the difference from us being right up there.. to where we are now. We have an excellent goalkeeper, solid defence, very good central mid (notably when Stevie is back), and a top creative forward.. the missing piece is a #9. Put a genuine 35 million pound striker in our side and we aint sitting where we are now thats for sure.

Its that frustration of where we would be had we bought a 35 million pound calibre forward. You look at Van Persie's difference to Arsenal this year, Rooney's difference to man u in almost winning the league single handedly for them in 2010. The amount we paid (35m and 22m wages... 57m total) is what you buy for a "difference maker"... thats the players who take u to a different level. Unfortunately we did indeed spend money on a difference maker... the difference is he makes us worse. Most top teams only have one or two difference makers, and 9 solid players. Thats all u need.. its what man u have right now, its what man city have now (u take out Silva they aint half the side). The Carroll signing was a cataclysmic error which is why it merits the closest of scrutiny.

You've by far gone over the top.  I stopped reading the Andy Carroll thread for quite awhile because every other post was you saying exactly the same thing, and just slating the hell out of Carroll.  It's fine you don't believe in him, but some of us haven't given up on him.  No, not because we spent £35 million on him, but because he plays for Liverpool.  He barely plays, so how do we expect him to do anything productive if he can't put a string of games together and build some confidence?  He's scored twice this year, a third that was disallowed.  that's only 2 less than Suarez, who has plead SIGNIFICANTLY more than him.  I'm not saying He's as good as Suarez, or that he's playing well at all, but nobody at our club is scoring goals right now and we are using Andy as the scape goat, just like the FA are using Suarez as a scapegoat.  Carroll has actually put in a few decent performances, and they've all come after he's gotten a run of games.  When he's subbed in during the 88th minute, you can't expect him to ever score a goal.

If Carroll starts all these fixtures that Suarez will miss, and plays bad the entire time, then maybe you have a right to slate him.  But if he continues to not play, or puts in a few good performances, you like many others need to p!ss off and support the kid for a couple minutes.

[Benny The Noon]

Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

are you gonna do the same with Charlie Adam?

Do I write paragraphs critisizing Adam on a daily basis ?

Adam was praised when he was doing well and critisized when not doing so well but nowhere near the daily updates we get from Kerry .

If that's the best you can come up with I would give up now .

its fine for you to criticize Charlie Adam the same way it is for others to criticize Andy Carroll, its all about opinions, yet whenever someone criticizes a player you like, you tell every one to give them time and to support them, when you dont practice what you preach on countless occasions, eg Joe Cole, Poulsen, Adam and Roy Hodgson. Pot Kettle Black

Is that the best you can come up with ? Going back over and over again .

I will ask again - did I or do I write daily updates on how much I think such and such is ? Along the same lines as what we see from Kerry .

Adam was praised - I will say it again Adam was PRAISED when he was playing well - the others would of been praised when they played well ( it's just a shame they didn't ) .

Any critizism on Cole , Poulsen etc was fully justified when you look back over the last 18 months .

[Fowler_E7]

Well Andy Carroll will be getting a chance for sure over the next 8 games, its time for him to show us that he not only justifies his price tag but that actually belongs at this level of football, lets all pray that he suceeds because i have no idea what we can do with him if he fails, we will never get anywhere near that amount of money we spent on him back.

[Thommo's perm]

Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

My slating him is not out of proportion tho. I'm not on a crusade against him, nor am i picking on him unfairly.

I can understand those who hold back on criticism (you and Ola any many others), and just back the team. Thats fine, noble even, and at the game i would do likewise, however this is such a pivotal issue...the lack of a finisher is our biggest problem... we create umpteen chances (and have arguably one of the most creative strikers in the world)... and yet we have no one to finish them. Thats where the 35 million pound spent should come in. Its that gaping hole that has been the difference from us being right up there.. to where we are now. We have an excellent goalkeeper, solid defence, very good central mid (notably when Stevie is back), and a top creative forward.. the missing piece is a #9. Put a genuine 35 million pound striker in our side and we aint sitting where we are now thats for sure.

Its that frustration of where we would be had we bought a 35 million pound calibre forward. You look at Van Persie's difference to Arsenal this year, Rooney's difference to man u in almost winning the league single handedly for them in 2010. The amount we paid (35m and 22m wages... 57m total) is what you buy for a "difference maker"... thats the players who take u to a different level. Unfortunately we did indeed spend money on a difference maker... the difference is he makes us worse. Most top teams only have one or two difference makers, and 9 solid players. Thats all u need.. its what man u have right now, its what man city have now (u take out Silva they aint half the side). The Carroll signing was a cataclysmic error which is why it merits the closest of scrutiny.

You never answered me
Are you male or female?

Thommo this is a dating site

I never asked for a phone number
Just wondering the gender of "Kerry"?

[red till i die!!]

Frankly I think we have created quite a lot of chances.Look at the first 25 minutes last night for example.However you want to spin it Carroll is not the future.

carroll came on in the 87th min so including time added id say he had 7mins on the field.

i dont care what your views are on carroll either and you are entitled to your opinion but no way can carroll be held responsible for that sh1t last night.

[devaney]

Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

You seem to forget that you posted almost hourly updates about Hodgson before a ball had even been kicked during his tenure. As I said you want it every which way.

Not sure that Carroll will be the automatic replacement if Suarez's appeal fails.I think Kuyt could probably do a better job together with Bellamy.Stats are great aren't they. Some numpty has actually posted that Suarez has scored two more goals than Carroll as if any sort of comparison could ever be made. Xavi Alonso's stats for Liverpool read virtually no assists and virtually no goals except for the odd 50 yard act of a genius.Personally I think he is one of the best midfield playmakers in the world and the biggest mistake Rafa ever made but then you liked Rafa as well!!!!!!!

Happy Christmas Benny (see you in February ? ??)

[Benny The Noon]

Ok Devaney and Kerry we know your feelings on Carroll - you have both told us every single day numerous times .

Maybe it's now time to learn from the players and the team and get behind players and support them .

Over the last two days the old Liverpool way of Seige mentality and team spirit has shone through .

Time to support them .

Maybe see if you can both restrain from slating him until at least feb and who knows he may of shown you something .

You seem to forget that you posted almost hourly updates about Hodgson before a ball had even been kicked during his tenure. As I said you want it every which way.

Not sure that Carroll will be the automatic replacement if Suarez's appeal fails.I think Kuyt could probably do a better job together with Bellamy.Stats are great aren't they. Some numpty has actually posted that Suarez has scored two more goals than Carroll as if any sort of comparison could ever be made. Xavi Alonso's stats for Liverpool read virtually no assists and virtually no goals except for the odd 50 yard act of a genius.Personally I think he is one of the best midfield playmakers in the world and the biggest mistake Rafa ever made but then you liked Rafa as well!!!!!!!

Happy Christmas Benny (see you in February ? ??)

You seem to forget that you posted almost hourly updates about Hodgson before a ball had even been kicked during his tenure. As I said you want it every which way.


No i didnt

Plus you will have to excuse me for being critical to a person who was taking my club to relegation


Not sure that Carroll will be the automatic replacement if Suarez's appeal fails.I think Kuyt could probably do a better job together with Bellamy.Stats are great aren't they. Some numpty has actually posted that Suarez has scored two more goals than Carroll as if any sort of comparison could ever be made. Xavi Alonso's stats for Liverpool read virtually no assists and virtually no goals except for the odd 50 yard act of a genius.Personally I think he is one of the best midfield playmakers in the world and the biggest mistake Rafa ever made but then you liked Rafa as well!!!!!!!

Not sure who that is aimed at or what it exactly is supposed to say

What has Rafa and Xabi got to do with Carroll .

[Aussie Style]

Is that a black eye his sporting?

[Kerry07]

Please for the love of god would this useless, immobile, limited third rate carthorse be f*cked off out the club.

When this excuse for a footballer plays the attack is completely stifled. He "moves" on the pitch as though hes taking a dog for a walk.

Forget the fee (it distracts from looking at just the player) ..hes as bad a forward as ive seen in 20 years. At least Eric Meijer and Sean Dundee cost peanuts.

Dalglish made the mother of all balls up with this scandalous, shocking, bizarre, inexplicable and quite frankly embarrassing signing. Either he bites the bullet and ends this madness or he will be out the door soon himself.

[Thommo's perm]

Please for the love of god would this useless, immobile, limited third rate carthorse be f*cked off out the club.

When this excuse for a footballer plays the attack is completely stifled. He "moves" on the pitch as though hes taking a dog for a walk.

Forget the fee (it distracts from looking at just the player) ..hes as bad a forward as ive seen in 20 years. At least Eric Meijer and Sean Dundee cost peanuts.

Dalglish made the mother of all balls up with this scandalous, shocking, bizarre, inexplicable and quite frankly embarrassing signing. Either he bites the bullet and ends this madness or he will be out the door soon himself.

Dont you like him then?

[Ola Mr Benitez]

Hey Kerry, it looks like your starting to change the way you think of him. That's the most positive thing I have seen you write about AC and also KD.

You do know the history of Kenny Dalglish don't you? Shocking post.  Go and read what that man did after Hillsborough before posting the reasons he is going to get sacked

[Thommo's perm]

Hey Kerry, it looks like your starting to change the way you think of him. That's the most positive thing I have seen you write about AC and also KD.

You do know the history of Kenny Dalglish don't you? Shocking post.  Go and read what that man did after Hillsborough before posting the reasons he is going to get sacked

I think its interesting that she singles out Carroll for her fury. She could have easily have pointed out Henderson, Downing, Suarez or Johnson for wastefulness, but insists that big Andy is the reason for our frustration.
The whole team is lacking in self belief and conviction. Its like they have no urgency to score because they know another chance will come along, and another, and another. Its is not that we cannot create chances, far from it, but we are not as ruthless and confident as we should be.
To blame Carroll for all our ills is silly and wrong

[Benny The Noon]

At least Carroll got some of his efforts on target - more than can be said of others on the pitch .

Our problem today was not Andy Carroll and he did not effect the way we played - today was just like most games , delivery into the box and wasteful finishing .

[Kerry07]

I've never seen one player have such a negative impact on the entire team.. as this pathetic excuse does. The static carthorse (two words that succintly sum him up) stifles the forward play. Suarez becomes a lesser player as theres no movement beside him.

Eric Meijer had a better touch. I cant see anything he offers.