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by **redtrader74** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:50 pm

Ofcourse the price tag comes into the equation when assessing Carroll, because it was fcking ridiculous. It matters because when you spend a shed load you expect certain results and qualities, which nobody has seen from him, at least not in a Liverpool shirt.

Thing is that even if you think he'll come good.......one day, can anyone really say, hand on heart, that they are happy with his performances? Does he enhance our attacking play? do we play a more fluid game with him in our side? for me the answer is no, no and no. he does not deserve a place in the starting line up, and the only reason he is getting in ahead of Maxi or Bellamy IS the price tag, because if anyone thinks that fans are obsessed by it, Kenny is more so. Anyone else would have been loaned out, and as supporters, even managers and owners, we should expect that the Clubs record buy is close to the finished article.

The guy is 23 not 17, he is at an age when previous strikers at our club were almost at their peak, how long are we supposed to wait? I'm more than sure that it will be a very long time before we ever think about getting a £30m+ player, our owners are not that flush, that's is why he had to work.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:59 pm

There is a reason we pay to watch football where as Kenny Dalglish is paid to watch football. He knows mote than we do.

by **redtrader74** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:02 am

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:There is a reason we pay to watch football where as Kenny Dalglish is paid to watch football. He knows mote than we do.

Everyone fcks up now and again. Kenny is not, and will not be right all the time.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:03 am

Anybody who calls him sh'ite and recommends we get rid of him is saying that KK is the biggest mug gobsh'ite working in the Prem and possibly Europe. You are saying that he is a clueless shi'thouse and by keeping Carroll he is Fu*king up our chances of qualifying for the CL or progressing in the future.
Therefore KK should fu'ck off and take this waste of space, worthless, useless streak of pi'ss with him
Discuss

by **redtrader74** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:24 am

Thommo's perm wrote:Anybody who calls him sh'ite and recommends we get rid of him is saying that KK is the biggest mug gobsh'ite working in the Prem and possibly Europe. You are saying that he is a clueless shi'thouse and by keeping Carroll he is Fu*king up our chances of qualifying for the CL or progressing in the future.
Therefore KK should fu'ck off and take this waste of space, worthless, useless streak of pi'ss with him
Discuss

Fergie bought veron for over £30m, a top quality player but could not get him to work and got rid, and although he is a sh!thouse gobsh!te, that one mistake would not be the reason why. Anyone with monkey sh!t for a brain can see that the Club and Kenny made a huge error buying Carroll in January window, there was no competition at that price and no need then, this at the very least, even if you think Carroll is decent, was an embarrassing mistake.

I hoped he was bought for a push for a CL spot, bu they bought him injured, out for 5-6 weeks, so he was going to have a neglible impact on last season. I bet even Kenny knows he fcked up.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:27 am

redtrader74 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Anybody who calls him sh'ite and recommends we get rid of him is saying that KK is the biggest mug gobsh'ite working in the Prem and possibly Europe. You are saying that he is a clueless shi'thouse and by keeping Carroll he is Fu*king up our chances of qualifying for the CL or progressing in the future.
Therefore KK should fu'ck off and take this waste of space, worthless, useless streak of pi'ss with him
Discuss

Fergie bought veron for over £30m, a top quality player but could not get him to work and got rid, and although he is a sh!thouse gobsh!te, that one mistake would not be the reason why. Anyone with monkey sh!t for a brain can see that the Club and Kenny made a huge error buying Carroll in January window, there was no competition at that price and no need then, this at the very least, even if you think Carroll is decent, was an embarrassing mistake.

I hoped he was bought for a push for a CL spot, bu they bought him injured, out for 5-6 weeks, so he was going to have a neglible impact on last season. I bet even Kenny knows he fcked up.

But Carroll is not a top quality player who deserves the price tag.
So KK is a mug gobsh'ite? Yes?

by **redtrader74** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:37 am

Thommo's perm wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Anybody who calls him sh'ite and recommends we get rid of him is saying that KK is the biggest mug gobsh'ite working in the Prem and possibly Europe. You are saying that he is a clueless shi'thouse and by keeping Carroll he is Fu*king up our chances of qualifying for the CL or progressing in the future.
Therefore KK should fu'ck off and take this waste of space, worthless, useless streak of pi'ss with him
Discuss

Fergie bought veron for over £30m, a top quality player but could not get him to work and got rid, and although he is a sh!thouse gobsh!te, that one mistake would not be the reason why. Anyone with monkey sh!t for a brain can see that the Club and Kenny made a huge error buying Carroll in January window, there was no competition at that price and no need then, this at the very least, even if you think Carroll is decent, was an embarrassing mistake.

I hoped he was bought for a push for a CL spot, bu they bought him injured, out for 5-6 weeks, so he was going to have a neglible impact on last season. I bet even Kenny knows he fcked up.

But Carroll is not a top quality player who deserves the price tag.
So KK is a mug gobsh'ite? Yes?

Ive got a little more respect for Kenny than to describe him like that, but yeah he, or whoever sanctioned the price was mugged, or are you saying that you believe Carroll is value for money? What would you now be saying if someone else, it's hard to imagine, had paid £35m for Carroll and were getting the results we are? You'd be pis5ing yourself.

by **Reg** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:50 am

Lets just say he was a panic buy or gut reaction when our best striker in 10 years had just walked out. We needed cover, he was available at a price. In retrospect it would have been better to get Heskey on a free but Kenny didn't have his crystal ball up and running at that stage.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:53 am

redtrader74 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Anybody who calls him sh'ite and recommends we get rid of him is saying that KK is the biggest mug gobsh'ite working in the Prem and possibly Europe. You are saying that he is a clueless shi'thouse and by keeping Carroll he is Fu*king up our chances of qualifying for the CL or progressing in the future.
Therefore KK should fu'ck off and take this waste of space, worthless, useless streak of pi'ss with him
Discuss

Fergie bought veron for over £30m, a top quality player but could not get him to work and got rid, and although he is a sh!thouse gobsh!te, that one mistake would not be the reason why. Anyone with monkey sh!t for a brain can see that the Club and Kenny made a huge error buying Carroll in January window, there was no competition at that price and no need then, this at the very least, even if you think Carroll is decent, was an embarrassing mistake.

I hoped he was bought for a push for a CL spot, bu they bought him injured, out for 5-6 weeks, so he was going to have a neglible impact on last season. I bet even Kenny knows he fcked up.

But Carroll is not a top quality player who deserves the price tag.
So KK is a mug gobsh'ite? Yes?

Ive got a little more respect for Kenny than to describe him like that, but yeah he, or whoever sanctioned the price was mugged, or are you saying that you believe Carroll is value for money? What would you now be saying if someone else, it's hard to imagine, had paid £35m for Carroll and were getting the results we are? You'd be pis5ing yourself.

Ive said before Im not ar'sed about the money. And personally I dont care how much other clubs pay for players.
It doesnt interest me in the slightest that chelsea have paid £50 million for Torres. It means nothing to me.
If Carroll plays his part, no matter how insignificant, in getting us up to where I believe we belong, then hes worth every penny. Its more about worth than cost. At the moment Carrolls done ok. Hes not sh'it, but he hasnt hit form neither. But we are on the shoulders of the top 5 and we are still in with a good chance of finishing 4th or higher. If Carroll has hindered us, then at the end of the season we look at our options.
I am disappointed with people thinking KK is a mug though I must admit

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:58 am

Reg wrote:Lets just say he was a panic buy or gut reaction when our best striker in 10 years had just walked out. We needed cover, he was available at a price. In retrospect it would have been better to get Heskey on a free but Kenny didn't have his crystal ball up and running at that stage.

Panic buy? £35 million quid?
It was thought through and KK must have come to the conclusion that this kid had something that would boost our chances of competing at the top again.
Youre virtually calling KK a tit Reginald...

by **Dundalk** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:58 am

Okay so he's not worth 35 million but what I don't understand most of all is why kenny bought him. He dosent fit into our style of play in anyway. From what I have seen from Carroll so far this year he hasn't looked good at all and I can't see where he is going to fit into the team in future. If we buy a forward in Jan and he is a success then I can see Andy moving on in the summer.

To where and how much we get for him is a mother question altogether!

by **bunglemark2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:00 am

TBH, it *was* a panic buy, and one I reckon to appease the fans. We lost one of the most potent goalscorers we ever had, and the fans were p!ssed. Carroll had a good run up to that point - until he got injured - and looked like he might go some way to filling a gap. So we paid over the odds. Maybe time will tell, but it was deffo a panic buy

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:03 am

Dundalk wrote:Okay so he's not worth 35 million but what I don't understand most of all is why kenny bought him. He dosent fit into our style of play in anyway. From what I have seen from Carroll so far this year he hasn't looked good at all and I can't see where he is going to fit into the team in future. If we buy a forward in Jan and he is a success then I can see Andy moving on in the summer.

To where and how much we get for him is a mother question altogether!

Im not saying he couldnt be a mistake mate. What Im saying is that KK must see something alot of people cant, which is understandable if you think hes a great manager. Otherwise hes clueless and were fu'cked for bringing him back

by **redtrader74** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:04 am

We are not City, Chelsea or even Manu in the money stakes, you may not be worried about the cost, but we have a limited budget, and an asset that is easily worth less than half what we paid, so whether you would decide to get rid at the end of the season or have made your mind up now it is a massive loss. thommo you asked if kk is a mug, which you would not ask if we had bought him for 10m, I think the price matters to you too. On a personal level Kenny will be hugely embarrassed if Carroll does not work out and is sold at a huge loss.

by **redtrader74** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:09 am

Thommo's perm wrote:
Reg wrote:Lets just say he was a panic buy or gut reaction when our best striker in 10 years had just walked out. We needed cover, he was available at a price. In retrospect it would have been better to get Heskey on a free but Kenny didn't have his crystal ball up and running at that stage.

Panic buy? £35 million quid?
It was thought through and KK must have come to the conclusion that this kid had something that would boost our chances of competing at the top again.
Youre virtually calling KK a tit Reginald...

We can't be sure that Kenny had anymore to do with the transfer other than to identify a player he thought to be quality. He didn't have the job on a permanent basis.

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