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[Dundalk]

I think kenny may have seen something in Carroll but whatever he seen he's not seeing it now because he is not starting him in games!! Carroll may come good yet and I really hope he does. All I'm saying is that I can't see him being a success at this club.

[Dalglish]

Lets just say he was a panic buy or gut reaction when our best striker in 10 years had just walked out. We needed cover, he was available at a price. In retrospect it would have been better to get Heskey on a free but Kenny didn't have his crystal ball up and running at that stage.

Panic buy? £35 million quid?
It was thought through and KK must have come to the conclusion that this kid had something that would boost our chances of competing at the top again.
Youre virtually calling KK a tit Reginald...

We can't be sure that Kenny had anymore to do with the transfer other than to identify a player he thought to be quality. He didn't have the job on a permanent basis.

Good point on the point that KK didn't have the job permanent at the time so may not have been the driving force in the acquisition of Carroll after Torres staged his grand exit.

I think that most LFC understood that the club were effectively being shafted by Torres and would not have demanded an immediate replacement. Perhaps Henry and Co blinked first and misjudged just how understanding fans of this club can be.

The fact remains that the lad is struggling........big time despite the inflated transfer fee and could prove to be a costly mistake.

Tomkins is trying his hardest to see the silver lining but the clouds are definitely gathering over the lad's career at LFC..............

[Kerry07]

Anybody who calls him sh'ite and recommends we get rid of him is saying that KK is the biggest mug gobsh'ite working in the Prem and possibly Europe. You are saying that he is a clueless shi'thouse and by keeping Carroll he is Fu*king up our chances of qualifying for the CL or progressing in the future.
Therefore KK should fu'ck off and take this waste of space, worthless, useless streak of pi'ss with him
Discuss

No one is calling Kenny a mug. Yes he was mugged on signing Carroll, but one mistake does not make a mug. Every manager makes blunders.. even the best. Kenny signed Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson and Stephane Guivarc'h for Newcastle between 1997-98..quite a drop from the ilk of Ferdinand and Beardsley. Ferguson spent 30 million on Berbatov, Wenger over 10 million on Jeffers.

What is important now though is that Kenny doesnt compound the mistake by persisting with him. It shows great strength of character to admit a mistake early and limit the damage. We paid for the persistance at Fulham, but thankfully Kenny seems to be losing patience.

[Octsky]

Anybody who calls him sh'ite and recommends we get rid of him is saying that KK is the biggest mug gobsh'ite working in the Prem and possibly Europe. You are saying that he is a clueless shi'thouse and by keeping Carroll he is Fu*king up our chances of qualifying for the CL or progressing in the future.
Therefore KK should fu'ck off and take this waste of space, worthless, useless streak of pi'ss with him
Discuss

No one is calling Kenny a mug. Yes he was mugged on signing Carroll, but one mistake does not make a mug. Every manager makes blunders.. even the best. Kenny signed Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson and Stephane Guivarc'h for Newcastle between 1997-98..quite a drop from the ilk of Ferdinand and Beardsley. Ferguson spent 30 million on Berbatov, Wenger over 10 million on Jeffers.

What is important now though is that Kenny doesnt compound the mistake by persisting with him. It shows great strength of character to admit a mistake early and limit the damage. We paid for the persistance at Fulham, but thankfully Kenny seems to be losing patience.

agreed that it is unavoidable in committing mistakes but it is perfectly avoidable in persisting with the mistake.

some biggest fergie flops: Berva 30m, veron 28m.
if you factor in inflation for veron 28m, the figure will be likely near to 35m-40m

[alwayslfc]

Kenny ought to admit his blunder signing now (benching A.C.) and give Bellers or Kuyt to partner Suarez between now and end of Dec. Right now he MUST do his research to buy a quality striker in the Jan window who can play the Liverpool way. I'm not so overly concerned about our defence or midfield, but our finishing are quite poor. One nil win against QPR at home is not satisfactory though it could have been worse. He has to get that quality striker to help qualify for CL, because this could decide whether he will still be in charge next season.

All managers do make blunder signings (look at Rafa), but most important thing now is, don't persist with any dud signings hoping they would come good. A big team like Liverpool chasing for top 4 finish cannot afford to do that, it's only the mid and bottom table clubs that can.

[Reg]

Lets just say he was a panic buy or gut reaction when our best striker in 10 years had just walked out. We needed cover, he was available at a price. In retrospect it would have been better to get Heskey on a free but Kenny didn't have his crystal ball up and running at that stage.

Panic buy? £35 million quid?
It was thought through and KK must have come to the conclusion that this kid had something that would boost our chances of competing at the top again.
Youre virtually calling KK a tit Reginald...

Of course he was a panic buy, Torres popped up out of no where with 48 hours to go and said he wanted out and LFC pulled Carroll out of the hat by his ears! I don't believe he had been part of Kenny's plans until Torres said he was off. Where do you go to buy a replacement... no suitable player was available at such short notice so we had to pay over the odds for a relatively unknown and untested lad. I maintain the lad could come good, Rushie needed at least a year to find his feet and nearly jacked it in in the process. Carroll can come good but now that Kenny's got him, he and Steve Clark have to find the best way to use him - for sure Suarez is crying out for a partner, but is it Carroll?

[jacdaniel]

When it comes to strikers, it generally works out quickly or it doesn't at all.  Look at Torres and now Suarez for us.... or Aguero for City.  Then look at Morientes and Shevchenko.   

Andy Carroll is also not the youngster that people are making him out to be.  He is nearly 23 and should be approaching the peak years of his career.   

finally the fee, yes it does matter.  It matters because John Henry said so when they took over the club.  He admitted that they didnt have Man City funds and that every penny spent would have to be spent wisely.

[damjan193]

Well at least Veron was given like what 3 seasons? Carroll has played 20 games for us. One thing is for sure, he shouldn't be a starter at the moment, but no one can be sure whether or not he'll come good for us at some point. As for the price tag, I agree, we got robbed, he was worth at least 10 mil less even in top form.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

Nobody on here knows what Kenny is thinking, he might think that Andy is training really well and has been really happy with him coming on at the end of games. He might think that Andy is a work in progress and isn't willing to press the  panic button just yet.  He might think that the fans are a little disappointed but as they are the best fans I'm the world, they will give a player who is struggling to adjust the support he needs. He might think that the service Andy has has hasn't been very good and its something to work on in training.  He might think that nobody is scoring many goals at the moment and to blame our lack of goals on one player, who hasn't even had that much game time, is a bit short sighted.

There again, he might like you lot think, let's get rid and buy Messi or Rooney or Villa. But then he would remember this is the real world and not a computer game!

[jimmy brighton]

.....but as they are the best fans I'm the world, they will give a player who is struggling to......

Had to laugh at this bit. We stopped being the best fans in the world when we booed Lucas. In fact when we booed anything at all. Unless we a goal or two up in the early minutes you can here a pin drop at Anfield these days. Absolutely shocking. The old magic has certainly gone

[Ola Mr Benitez]

.....but as they are the best fans I'm the world, they will give a player who is struggling to......

Had to laugh at this bit. We stopped being the best fans in the world when we booed Lucas. In fact when we booed anything at all. Unless we a goal or two up in the early minutes you can here a pin drop at Anfield these days. Absolutely shocking. The old magic has certainly gone

I'm glad you got the ironey

[jimmy brighton]

.....but as they are the best fans I'm the world, they will give a player who is struggling to......

Had to laugh at this bit. We stopped being the best fans in the world when we booed Lucas. In fact when we booed anything at all. Unless we a goal or two up in the early minutes you can here a pin drop at Anfield these days. Absolutely shocking. The old magic has certainly gone

I'm glad you got the ironey

  Sorry

[Ola Mr Benitez]

lol no worries!!!

[jacdaniel]

Nobody on here knows what Kenny is thinking,

Actions speak louder than words mate.  When he first came back from injury last season, Kenny started bringing him on in games and then eventually starting him.  He played in pre season and started a few games at the start of this term.

As Carroll's done hardly anything of note, kenny has now benched him and he is lucky if he gets on at all.

It baffles me that he started Andy against Fulham though...

[only me]

I think we should seperate the issues of Carrol Price tag and Carrol performance/potential.

Anyone who measures or judges Carrol by his price tag is ,in my opinion ,totally in the wrong ,take your criticism with Kenny and managment and this should be disussed on a different thread such as best/worst Signinning ever for example...

If he should be playing or not...Personally i think he still has plenty more games in his "grace period" before being deemed useless ,having our MF perform better and actuelly creating chances would also be advised.

As to our other attacking options...Lets see ,other then Suarez and Bellamy which get priority over all at this stage ,we have Kuyt and Maxi as alternatives to Andy...Do you really think those 2 offer us a much better attacking solution? Kuyt has been useless for quite some time now but still gets the wave in and foresome reason doesn't get the same stick as Andy does ,And Maxi...Well he did score a couple of goals and has some good connection with Suarez but if you measure his contribution through out the WHOLE game ,i would say it is minimal...So having said that is Carrol not a reasonable option to at least get numerous more chances then he got so far . in my book Yes!.