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maguskwt wrote:

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Not a player based on ball skills but a lot on drive and determination and power, potential but drive affected by increased/reduced confidence.

if only the bolded parts were true, not that many people will be complaining... 

Thommo's perm wrote:

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:22 year old with great potential, still quite new to the game, now playing on one of the greatest stages in the world for the greatest club.  Not a player based on ball skills but a lot on drive and determination and power, potential but drive affected by increased/reduced confidence. Source of greater confidence, LFC fans, message, get behind the lad and stop the whining.

Bravo
The people who backed Lucas (with good reason) for so long when he stank the place out, should give Carroll the same support. Slagging him off doesnt help him or us

supersub wrote:

Kenny Kan wrote:

supersub wrote:Carroll put in an excellent performance on saturday...warmed up well...never fell over once; head groundsman was more than pleased with the way stayed on his feet to aerate the touchline.He added if we can get repeat performances every week from the big fella for the rest of the season, we will have the grass growing in no time...The head groundsman also re-itterated, if there was a recall to the first team it could well spell disaster for the up keep of the touchline and possible impending doom for the team as a whole....it's something that Kenny and Clarkey need to consider when choosing the subs for the xmas fixture list.

Here we go.

Devil's advocate.

You are a disgrace to Liverpool fans, your not giving the bloke a chance - like you did with lucas. This isn't the Liverpool way disrespecting your own players like this. You are a WUM!

No bam you are the WUM...always have been....Never for one minute did I ever believe you were a supporter of Liverpool, just tolerated your participation on newkit the same way cheescakery was allowed to take part in discussions many moons ago.It was clear then he was a manc and I certainly wouldn't be surprised if his disappearance coincided with the emergence of yourself "Kenny Kan" and all the other aliases used over the last few years.
With regards to Carroll....I just now bad eggs when I see them...Poulsen and Konchesky were the other misfits that were recent additions to our squad that dumbfounded me. To be fair to Poulsen he actually put effort into his appearances but was limited in what he could do,Andy Carroll is not a good footballer...he is sh!t

Thommo's perm wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:"potential"... "come good".. baseless waffle waffle waffle

The best thing anyone can do (like the saddo i am) is try to obtain extensive footage of Carroll at Newcastle (no not 4 minute youtube highlight reels that make Heskey look like Vieiri). As Alan Pardew correctly stated (which many of our fans wrongly took offence to), we do not play to the cumbersome big fellas strengths, we do not play a limited direct midtable standard method of play that bypasses midfield and lumps the ball up to him to.. A.win flick ons, B.get on the end of stuff so he can swing his hit and miss left foot at it. Hes never involved in the play as we are a passing side.  He will score even less with us than he did at newcastle, and the only way for him to score the 13 to 15 goals with us is to stop playing it on the floor, start launching it upfield more often (Nolan), get wide players hugging the touchline (Guiterriez) and just swing the ball in constantly. Sacrifice a fluid pass and move possession game, that trys to carve open opponents (such as our dismantling of Fulham last season) and instead become direct. OK we wont challenge for anything, and we will kill the slick passing method of play that the likes of Suarez, Maxi, Bellamy and co. play, but we will be playing to the limited big fellas strengths.

Are you sure youre a Red?
Im not saying youre not, so dont take offence, but you are making an argument I would expect a rival fan would make to turn supporters against one of our players.
I know Woof has said hes sh'ite but you seem to be going into rather a lot of detail to, on the face of it, incite and anger people at what you seem to think is the biggest disaster LFC has ever witnessed.
I am probably wrong....?

Kenny Kan wrote:SS. You've certainly tried to live up to your acronyms in the past, trying to screen and dictate the train of thought on here while suppressing other views that weren't in agreeance with yours.

As for your post, I don't really need to justify myself to some bitter paranoid old wreck like you.

You only need to view the Kuyt thread and Lucas thread to see I never dictated the "train of thought" theory or suppressed others views......paranoid , good one


You have every right to think that Andy Carroll is the dogs but that just re-affirms your inability to see a footballer.

What do mean justify yourself?  

supersub wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:22 year old with great potential, still quite new to the game, now playing on one of the greatest stages in the world for the greatest club.  Not a player based on ball skills but a lot on drive and determination and power, potential but drive affected by increased/reduced confidence. Source of greater confidence, LFC fans, message, get behind the lad and stop the whining.

Bravo
The people who backed Lucas (with good reason) for so long when he stank the place out, should give Carroll the same support. Slagging him off doesnt help him or us

Lucas never stank the place out....there were many fans of liverpool who failed to see the work that Lucas put into a game because it wasn't "flair" or it wasn't "Alonso" or "Stevie G" ...no it was just the unappreciated forgettable toe in ,intercepted pass, the availability for a pass, the willingness to run miles on the pitch to help the team...things he still does and with extras that some are beginning to realise.....Lucas always had ability...Andy Carroll is not a young man in a foreign country with a language barrier etc; he is a mediocre footballer at best who hit some form in a 2nd rate division carried on his limited good fortune for the first few months in the premier but has very limited capabilities as a player.....a player for the future he is not, unless it's a dogs of war team fighting for the scraps at the foot of the table; even then I doubt he has the stomach for hard work......

Lucas stunk of shi'te for a long, long, long, long time. Out of his (at the time) 147 games for us I asked anyone if they could name 3 good (not great) games he had played. Not surprisingly no-one answered. He was shockingly woeful and yet still Rafa kept faith with him "He will come good" "He is a good player given time" "Played for Brazil blah, blah" etc etc.
This glassy eyed, rose tinted myth about him is laughable and embarrassing. Eventually, after years of sheer persistence and fantastic opportunities, he has become a good player. Who knows how many games he cost us with his dreary, backward passing, ball surrendering, free kick giving play? But who cares now? It had nothing to do with Alonso or Stevie G. I wasnt even ar'sed about flair. I would have just settled for him to be average instead of cack.
Whatever.
If Carroll wouldnt have cost as much then all this bollox wouldnt be happening. People are totally obsessed with the price tag to the point of tedium. Get over it people. Its so Fu*king boring

supersub wrote:if he was a free transfer from Fleetwood Town , he would still be a poor signing...he can't play and I have no doubt he will be sold at a great loss within the next 18 months

don't hold back lad, tell us what you really think 

supersub wrote:what a load of ....clearly you only notice the mistakes in certain players and big them up as the norm and fail to see the good.....your 147 games is typical of the myth ...unfortunately lucas had to take a lot of the flack for the failings of the more established "stars" who were not giving 100% but lets not let that get in the way of a good newkit debate.

But getting back to this thread;The price tag has got nothing to do with Carroll's ability ...if he was a free transfer from Fleetwood Town , he would still be a poor signing...he can't play and I have no doubt he will be sold at a great loss within the next 18 months

Anyone who doesnt admit that Lucas was at least poor, if not sh'it for the majority of his early years here is in a dreamworld and total denial
The price tag is THE most important and relevant issue regarding Carroll. There would not be this level of abuse and general bullsh'it if  he was from Fleetwood and well you know it.
The £35 million has made him a marked man, not only for our rivals and enemies, but even more surprisingly our own fans! Carroll is getting it from both sides and some are revelling in his situation.
You couldnt make it up

supersub wrote:The price tag has got nothing to do with Carroll's ability ...if he was a free transfer from Fleetwood Town , he would still be a poor signing...he can't play and I have no doubt he will be sold at a great loss within the next 18 months

Thommo's perm wrote:The price tag is THE most important and relevant issue regarding Carroll. There would not be this level of abuse and general bullsh'it if  he was from Fleetwood and well you know it.
The £35 million has made him a marked man, not only for our rivals and enemies, but even more surprisingly our own fans! Carroll is getting it from both sides and some are revelling in his situation.
You couldnt make it up