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by **RedSi35** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:49 am

Im not sure what people are expecting him to do.

He can take a pass, play a pass......... A good one at that. He has a little bit of pace, good footballing brain as well. He is a solid playee that will mature into a very good player imo.

A few people i think are dissapointed by his overall attacking flair and our lack off it when our foreign contingent isnt on the park.

by **Penguins** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:05 am

Why?

Because we aren't Bolton or Wigan where it is fine developing players!

We are Liverpool and if you have a starting berth it is because you earned it, not because of your price tag, potential, which mangers who singed you.

Henderson can pass the ball... WOW.
He made few mistakes vs Arsenal, true. But he played like a chicken, sideway passes, no penetration whatsoever, never theratening the oppostion back line always turning back.
When you play in that position for this club you should be able to do some damage, he did none and was happy being pretty annonymous.

While he has promise and potnetial, let him earn it by working hard in training, getting sub appearances, playing in the LC to earn his place and show he belongs in the lineup.

by **damjan193** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:27 pm

Penguins wrote:Why?

Because we aren't Bolton or Wigan where it is fine developing players!

We are Liverpool and if you have a starting berth it is because you earned it, not because of your price tag, potential, which mangers who singed you.

Henderson can pass the ball... WOW.
He made few mistakes vs Arsenal, true. But he played like a chicken, sideway passes, no penetration whatsoever, never theratening the oppostion back line always turning back.
When you play in that position for this club you should be able to do some damage, he did none and was happy being pretty annonymous.

While he has promise and potnetial, let him earn it by working hard in training, getting sub appearances, playing in the LC to earn his place and show he belongs in the lineup.

A bit harsh but I agree with most of this.

He was OK yesterday, made some accurate 5 meters sideway passes, didn't lose possession but other than that he was quiet and sometimes invisible, never was e threat to the opposition. That's not what I expect from a 16 mill buy and that's not the kind of player that should start where there is someone who is more proven than him but is still sitting on the bench.

The kid has potential, no question about that, but at the moment we have better players that should be in the starting line-up instead of him, so until he proves that he deserves his place as a starter he shouldn't be taking the place of the others who are more proven than him.

by **metalhead** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:30 pm

killerp wrote:Henderson did nothing special against Arsenal but he did not do much wrong either.

same sentiment

by **aCe'** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:39 am

Lets get this straight, no one wants him to fail and no one is going to criticize him when he has a bad game simply because they have some sort of agenda ..
Its quite simple, our priority at this point is to get into the top4 and win as many games as we can to do so. Starting Henderson ahead of Meireles jeopardizes our chances of achieving both goals simply because hes not ready for the big stage quite yet. I'd even take that a step further and say that we are doing him no favors starting him regularly now with all the pressure of a big club, a big fee, and having to adapt; he looks overwhelmed by the whole thing to me. He'll have his chances in the side this season... He'll have even more chances next season as he develops and improves as a player, but starting him in the big games (and most league games are big games) ahead of one of our best players imo isnt the smartest move.

Hes been poor in both games (since when have we started considering 'doing little wrong' as good enough ? ).

When played down the middle, hes playing in a key position that requires a little more than the short passes he seems to favor. He needs to carry the ball forward and get counter attacks started (since Lucas and Adam both struggle with that), and more importantly he needs to offer good off the ball movement to offer options to the other attacking players in the side. Given his qualities and experience, he's not fit for the role in this system imo

When played down the flank, hes rubbish. Simple as, and if you cant see it then theres no point even attempting to convince you.

Unless he improves drastically in the next few games, or Kenny finds a new role for him through which his 'hidden' qualities shine bright, he should be dropped for the much better Meireles.

Again, bigger picture.. Its not about Henderson, its about whats best for the side and atm we're better off taking it slow with Henderson and going with the tried and proven Meireles (him and Suarez play well together and offer that bit of fluidity we lack).

by **ethanr** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:13 am

aCe' wrote:Lets get this straight, no one wants him to fail and no one is going to criticize him when he has a bad game simply because they have some sort of agenda ..
Its quite simple, our priority at this point is to get into the top4 and win as many games as we can to do so. Starting Henderson ahead of Meireles jeopardizes our chances of achieving both goals simply because hes not ready for the big stage quite yet. I'd even take that a step further and say that we are doing him no favors starting him regularly now with all the pressure of a big club, a big fee, and having to adapt; he looks overwhelmed by the whole thing to me. He'll have his chances in the side this season... He'll have even more chances next season as he develops and improves as a player, but starting him in the big games (and most league games are big games) ahead of one of our best players imo isnt the smartest move.

Hes been poor in both games (since when have we started considering 'doing little wrong' as good enough ? ).

When played down the middle, hes playing in a key position that requires a little more than the short passes he seems to favor. He needs to carry the ball forward and get counter attacks started (since Lucas and Adam both struggle with that), and more importantly he needs to offer good off the ball movement to offer options to the other attacking players in the side. Given his qualities and experience, he's not fit for the role in this system imo

When played down the flank, hes rubbish. Simple as, and if you cant see it then theres no point even attempting to convince you.

Unless he improves drastically in the next few games, or Kenny finds a new role for him through which his 'hidden' qualities shine bright, he should be dropped for the much better Meireles.

Again, bigger picture.. Its not about Henderson, its about whats best for the side and atm we're better off taking it slow with Henderson and going with the tried and proven Meireles (him and Suarez play well together and offer that bit of fluidity we lack).

Agree with this.

You can sit and argue that he wasn't that bad, or that he was even passing the ball well (not that that't necessarily true), but what it comes down to is simple economics.

opportunity cost. - By making a decision, what is your greatest loss? The decision to start Hendo meant we couldn't start Meireles. Meireles would have been twice as productive in either of those games.

I'm not going to rag on Hendo because I know someday he will be a good player, but we need to bench him. He needs to know that if he continues to play like that, he will be on the bench. he needs to learn how to work his @ss off in order to gain a starting spot for a club like this, or it will hut him in the long run.

You can say he wasn't that bad, but that's not what Liverpool need... We need productive players, not like last season where we needed players like Spearing to just fill the hole for us.

In my opinion his passing wasn't productive enough. Anybody can keep passing the ball sideways and backwards- he wasn't taking any risks. He wasn't trying that ball that could create that chance. Defensively I felt he was better because he did go in for some good tackles on occasion, but he would also go missing on defense just shadowing the attack for most the game.

When he tried to dribble past people he continually lost the ball. He wasn't a productive player for us, and that's that.

He needs to play in the Carling cup and the FA cup to get some experience, and he could be a decent sub if Meireles continues to struggle past the 60-70 minute mark. If he works hard and improves enough, then maybe he deserves a start against a side like Norwich or Swansea.

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:13 am

Just to point out.... Meireles didnt get much game time in pre season and probably isnt quite as fit at the moment.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:57 am

jacdaniel wrote:Just to point out.... Meireles didnt get much game time in pre season and probably isnt quite as fit at the moment.

Yeah, Kenny said as much yesterday. That goes some way to explaining why Raul's been on the subs bench and Henderson in the starting 11 in the opening two matches.

by **maguskwt** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:18 pm

In Kenny I trust...

by **Greavesie** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:46 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:Just to point out.... Meireles didnt get much game time in pre season and probably isnt quite as fit at the moment.

Yeah, Kenny said as much yesterday. That goes some way to explaining why Raul's been on the subs bench and Henderson in the starting 11 in the opening two matches.

yep, I read that in his post-match comments, though I dreamt it up as only you seem to have pointed it out

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:49 pm

aCe' wrote:Lets get this straight, no one wants him to fail and no one is going to criticize him when he has a bad game simply because they have some sort of agenda ..
Its quite simple, our priority at this point is to get into the top4 and win as many games as we can to do so. Starting Henderson ahead of Meireles jeopardizes our chances of achieving both goals simply because hes not ready for the big stage quite yet. I'd even take that a step further and say that we are doing him no favors starting him regularly now with all the pressure of a big club, a big fee, and having to adapt; he looks overwhelmed by the whole thing to me. He'll have his chances in the side this season... He'll have even more chances next season as he develops and improves as a player, but starting him in the big games (and most league games are big games) ahead of one of our best players imo isnt the smartest move.

Hes been poor in both games (since when have we started considering 'doing little wrong' as good enough ? ).

When played down the middle, hes playing in a key position that requires a little more than the short passes he seems to favor. He needs to carry the ball forward and get counter attacks started (since Lucas and Adam both struggle with that), and more importantly he needs to offer good off the ball movement to offer options to the other attacking players in the side. Given his qualities and experience, he's not fit for the role in this system imo

When played down the flank, hes rubbish. Simple as, and if you cant see it then theres no point even attempting to convince you.

Unless he improves drastically in the next few games, or Kenny finds a new role for him through which his 'hidden' qualities shine bright, he should be dropped for the much better Meireles.

Again, bigger picture.. Its not about Henderson, its about whats best for the side and atm we're better off taking it slow with Henderson and going with the tried and proven Meireles (him and Suarez play well together and offer that bit of fluidity we lack).

Hes been poor in both games (since when have we started considering 'doing little wrong' as good enough ? ).

Since when have we considered " doing little wrong" as poor ?

by **Greavesie** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:50 pm

doing little wrong is ok - have we done this with Lucas before? Is that where this is heading?

by **Penguins** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:53 pm

Greavesie wrote:doing little wrong is ok - have we done this with Lucas before? Is that where this is heading?

Well, I for one don't want another development project as Lucas was. Lucas was really poor for us for 2-3 season but got playing time, even if he didn't deserve any, and developed inte a good player. But like I said before that is something for the Wigans and Boltons of this world and not Liverpool. No more frigin passengers that will come good a couple of season down the line.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:22 pm

crim cram wrote:I can see why we signed him, he doesn't make mistakes and has a good touch. Once he finds his feet he'll come good. Fortunately we have the luxury of bringing him along slowly.

Exactly how I see it mate ,the Lad is just feeling his way into the side .I personally think he is growing in stature every game he plays ,definitely believe the Kid has the potential for improvement ,but for now solid rather than spectacular will more than suffice .

by **Zidane** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:38 pm

Henderson vs Arsenal

Absolutely rubbish the entire game, did absolutely nothing offensively or defensively, useless player. At least watch the match without being blinded by his price.

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