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by **tubby** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:42 pm

De Jong is a bit of a dirty player but don't see much difference in terms of what he done for them with what Masch done for us in the time he was here. Also Silva took a while to bed in but I recall several MOM performances. Also I refrained from putting Lescott in my list before thinking id get shot down as he was a bitter, but when he played for them he was one of the best in the country.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:47 pm

tubby wrote:De Jong is a bit of a dirty player but don't see much difference in terms of what he done for them with what Masch done for us in the time he was here. Also Silva took a while to bed in but I recall several MOM performances. Also I refrained from putting Lescott in my list before thinking id get shot down as he was a bitter, but when he played for them he was one of the best in the country.

Mash was never as dirty as what De Jong is - he is just a thug

Silva started well and could link with Tevez well but tailed off around Jan and didnt have any connection with Balotelli or Dzeko -

Lescott was good for BS - as a left back in a great 6 month period - since then ? nothing .

by **tubby** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:51 pm

Your opinion is your own mate, but ultimately they worked as a team and finished ahead and got a top 4 place. Whether you rate them or not, collectively they will be hard to surpass next season as we look to get back into the top 4 spots.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:09 pm

tubby wrote:Your opinion is your own mate, but ultimately they worked as a team and finished ahead and got a top 4 place. Whether you rate them or not, collectively they will be hard to surpass next season as we look to get back into the top 4 spots.

Thats the point - they didnt really work as a team - they had one outstanding individual who was massive for them - without Tevez last season they would of not made the top 4 and would of been down the table to around 8th ish . Tevez is their guy . They are toothless without him . Like we were without Torres .

I can see them struggling in the prem but doing ok in the CL next season

by **tubby** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:12 pm

Maybe, who knows, maybe they could go on and make a push for the title. They keep buying player after player so one has to assume at some point they will get closer to their ultimate aim. Tevez goes, ok, but they bring in Sanchez and whoever else to plug the gap. They have endless funds mate so I doubt the loss of Tevez is going to hurt them in the long run.

For us to get back into the top 4 I think we need to target Arsenal.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:18 pm

Yes they do have endless funds but they just have individuals not a team - Sanchez has already said he wants Barce or no one and they will soon not be able to go out and spend millions upon millions due to FFP. They make massive losses each season due to high wage bill and transfer fees - even with their massive sponser deal - its not enough to cover their losses .

They will not be able to plug the gap left by Tevez .

by **aCe'** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:03 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Kolorav ?? Lescott ?? De Jong ?? - Wouldnt want them near our club . Kompany would be ok as back up - Agger is better . Toure was ok . Silva was disappointing . Tevez was their stand out - Tevez either scored the winner or goals , or set up the winner in 70% of their games last season . Without him they are fecked - we ripped them apart last time we played them - and we were missing Gerrard .

Even if they replace Tevez with Augero - he isnt going to have the same impact that Tevez did . I would quite happily say that he will join their long list of expensive disappointments when the massively high expectations are not met .

They could well be fantastic individual players abroad - as a team they are disappointing .

Your opinions and all that but I really doubt you'd have many people agreeing with you on:

1) Kolorov not being anything better than what we have for LB
2) Kompany not being better than anything we have - or him only being good enough as backup for us ... IMO he was the second best CB in the country last year behind Vidic
3) Lescott not being picked ahead of Agger for a number of reasons, not least of which is him being available for more than 2 months a season...

Its all good talking about them being individuals and not a team but last season they were challenging for the title until the last month or two, and they eventually finished 3rd. They also won the FA Cup. In all likelihood they will yet again improve their side through spending on top players and if anything I can only see them getting stronger with players like Silva, Dzeko, Y.Toure..etc adjusting to the league...

With Tevez is adequately replaced in theirside or not remains to be seen but given what they have/ are linked with, its hard to see their attacking lineup weakening due to his absence..

For the Argentinian national side, Aguero is regularly chosen ahead of Tevez. He's an excellent player and if he has Nasri, Silva, Dzeko playing alongside him I think he'll be an absolute monster for them... Or maybe he wont... Point is, you cant say for a fact that "he'll join their long list of expensive disappointments"

As a team they are disappointing ? I really dont think they are... I think they are genuine challengers for the title, which is more than can be said about us at this point

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:09 pm

Ok - Sportsman bet time - I bet we finish above Man City this coming season ?

by **Greavesie** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:27 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Ok - Sportsman bet time - I bet we finish above Man City this coming season ?

that's interesting, I genuinely expect it to be close but even if we did it shows we have a better TEAM than them, they have better individuals on paper imo

We'll finish above everyone :buttrock

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:28 pm

Greavesie wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Ok - Sportsman bet time - I bet we finish above Man City this coming season ?

that's interesting, I genuinely expect it to be close but even if we did it shows we have a better TEAM than them, they have better individuals on paper imo

We'll finish above everyone

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:59 pm

Greavesie wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Ok - Sportsman bet time - I bet we finish above Man City this coming season ?

that's interesting, I genuinely expect it to be close but even if we did it shows we have a better TEAM than them, they have better individuals on paper imo

We'll finish above everyone

As I said

by **crim cram** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:39 am

This has sort of turned into a City tread but I'll play along. Tevez was the engine of that ran their team and and he is irreplaceable. They will struggle even with the immense talent they've assembled to finish higher than they did, expect a Spurs-like dip in form this campaign. I'm in agreement with most on here that we have the better team and will finish above them.

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:59 am

Are we over spending? Are the players we’re signing worth the cash we’re paying?

Personally i think we’re are...maybe it’s our new policy of buying home grown or the fact the other clubs know we’re looking to improve, but we’re defiantly spending more than we should. Don’t get me wrong, i think our new players are improving the squad and we’ll be challenging....I just fear the silly season is descending upon Anfield and we're getting ripped off on a massive level on our transfers

Man Utd started the trend, Chelsea took it to new levels, and the media bigged up every british player to levels beyond any comprehension. We are overspending simply because we are signing average british players. But we are signing them. We are signing players who know what to expect in the premiership, players with experience. And its this, the money Kenny is willing to pay, that makes the difference. Over priced? definately, but the experience they have regarding what to expect will make all the difference.

by **metalhead** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:24 am

@Ace, what do you think of Aly Cissokho?

by **damjan193** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:57 am

I think that the only player we've overpayed for so far is Andy Carroll. He may be worth 5 or even 10 mill less.

As for Downing, if Young is worth 16 and he's 26, English, and slightly better than Downing but wasn't as good as him last season then IMO Downing should be worth about the same being an year older, also English, 2 years on his contract and was great the previous season. So like I said I think the two should be worth the same and if 16 mill wasn't overpaying, than I don't think that only 2.5 mill more is overpaying.

And Henderson for 16. Also English, had a great season better than the one Young had, only 20 and God knows how long his contract with Sunderland was.

So bottom line, we're not overspending, it's just that players nowadays are too expensive, especially English players. Take the mancs for example. They payed 25 mill for Wayne Rooney in 2004 when players were less expensive than today when Wayne was only 18! 20 mill for van Nistelrooy in 2001! 15 mill for focking Carrick in 2006. And my favourite, Dimitar Berbatov for 30.million.pounds. There are alot more to be added to this list. Don't remember if anyone said that they were overspending.

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