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by **7_Kewell** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:50 am

Blame it on Rafa, blame it on the previous owners or blame it on Roy...the current LFC squad isn’t good enough for a top 4 finish and a change of manager is not going to solve our problems overnight.

Forgot all that b0ll0cks about how many of them were in the team that “finish 2nd”...the Premier League has moved on and we’ve gone backwards with our current team clearing lacking in ability.

When we finished 2nd we had a spine of Reina, Carra, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres.

Today:
-Carra is injured and appears to be on the decline
-Alonso’s gone
-Mascherano’s gone
-Gerrard isn’t fit
-and Torres looks like he can't be ar$ed with it.

So...what's left? oh yeah, the dross that clung to the team's coat tails. Not only are they not good enough, they cost us 10s of millions in the process.

Johnson, Konchesky, Aurelio, Maxi, Kyrgiakos, Skrtel, Ngog, Babel, Poulsen...that’s just for starters...we need a total clear out. Our team is filled with players who should be plying their trade at the likes of Bolton and we need to face up to the fact that this is the case.

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:25 pm

7_Kewell wrote:Blame it on Rafa, blame it on the previous owners or blame it on Roy...the current LFC squad isn’t good enough for a top 4 finish and a change of manager is not going to solve our problems overnight.

Forgot all that b0ll0cks about how many of them were in the team that “finish 2nd”...the Premier League has moved on and we’ve gone backwards with our current team clearing lacking in ability.

When we finished 2nd we had a spine of Reina, Carra, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres.

Today:
-Carra is injured and appears to be on the decline
-Alonso’s gone
-Mascherano’s gone
-Gerrard isn’t fit
-and Torres looks like he can't be ar$ed with it.

So...what's left? oh yeah, the dross that clung to the team's coat tails. Not only are they not good enough, they cost us 10s of millions in the process.

Johnson, Konchesky, Aurelio, Maxi, Kyrgiakos, Skrtel, Ngog, Babel, Poulsen...that’s just for starters...we need a total clear out. Our team is filled with players who should be plying their trade at the likes of Bolton and we need to face up to the fact that this is the case.

They wouldnt get in the Bolton side

by **metalhead** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:30 pm

From the players I would sell and buy better replacement are:

- Skrtel
- Babel
- Ngog
- Konchesky
- Poulsen

These players aren't good enough to be squad players

If we can recoup around 10-13m from selling them, we can buy 2 or 3 better ones that would improve the team

by **mkingdom** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:33 pm

I am not having this. I am sick and tired of hearing from the "experts" on Sky etc, excusing Roy because of all the "problems, and difficult circumstances". We have had new owners for months, and the old ones were the problem.

Sure, it will take time for the new ones to do what they want to do, but the problem has gone.

If you compare our squad to that of other EPL teams we are top 6 easily.

Look what Redknapp did at Spurs with mostly the same players as Ramos. They were bottom when he took over, and a change of manager turned that around completely. Yes he has bought along the way, and spent quite heavily, but the change of manager took the same players from bottom three to top half very quickly. In that scenario Ramos was the problem, as Roy is ours.

Until Roy stops doing stupid things like playing Kuyt on the left wing, and Mereilles on the right, he hasn't got a leg to stand on, when moaning about the squad.

He chose to let Aqualani and Insua leave on loan, and replace them with dross, for a cost of £10m.

The squad is absolutely good enough to be above the likes of Stoke, Sunderland and Blackpool. Are you trying to say our squad is worse than theirs?

???

Nonsense.

by **stmichael** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:48 pm

mkingdom wrote:I am not having this. I am sick and tired of hearing from the "experts" on Sky etc, excusing Roy because of all the "problems, and difficult circumstances". We have had new owners for months, and the old ones were the problem.

Don't listen to Sky mate. Bottom line. It's propoganda tabloid bullsh#t.

Listen the squad isn't as bad as is made out by some. There is some real quality there. As far as I'm concerned we're probably the 6th best squad in the League and that would be an accurate estimation of where we should finish if we perform. The squad may have peaked 2 years ago but even now this squad is far better than 12th in the table. With a half intelligent manager I'd expect us to be up there. Not a manager who lowers expectations so embarassingly.

The main problem is the balance of the squad and how it's being used. The constant playing players out of position just baffles me. The other night our front six consisted of three central midfielders and three centre forwards. We had no width and yet had three what i would consider "wide players" on the bench. Putting Gerrard back into central midfield was also pi$$ poor management considering how well Lucas and Mereiles have generally done in there together.

by **metalhead** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:03 pm

I actually kind of agree with St.Mick and mk about the squad being in the top 6. The only teams I can think of who have better squads than us are Mancs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and Tottenham.

Our team compromises good players mixed with average ones. Its a top 6 team at best, and its the same team that got 7th last season with some minor differences. We just need to get rid of the bad ones and replace them with good players who can do a better job.

I'm very worried about our backfour, its very very average. Skrtel and Kyriagkos isn't working, I would rather have Kyriakgos with Carragher, or Carragher with Agger. Konchesky isn't good enough and we have had the left back problem for years. Johnson isn't any form at the moment, but I think if he plays with better defenders around him we will see a better player. Also, Johnson is suited for teams who go higher up the pitch and press the ball, something that we aren't doing at the moment and it is not getting the best out of our right back.

If you compare this season's backfour with the one we had back in 2006..

Riise Carra Hyypia Finnan

to

Konchesky Skrtel Carra Johnson

the 2006 shits all over it.

by **stmichael** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:26 pm

Agger's treatment has been nothing short of a disgrace. He's easily our best central defender imo and is also a really good footballer. However after the way he's been treated I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to leave aswell come January or the summer. Skrtel is an accident waiting to happen and Carragher should no longer be anywhere near an automatic starter. Although the Greek has his limitations it says it all that he's probably been our most consistent defender this season when he was originally brought in as fourth choice. We miss Arbeloa big style for his consistency down the right flank. Johnson is an excellent player but his weaknesses are glaring at times and he looks devoid of confidence. The left back position has been nothing short of a farce ever since Riise left.

We still need a top quality left back and also an aerially dominant centre half who cn also play a bit. I like Gary Cahill but he'd cost a fair bit. Hangelaand reminds me a lot of Sami Hyypia and may be another option.

by **7_Kewell** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:02 pm

mkingdom wrote:The squad is absolutely good enough to be above the likes of Stoke, Sunderland and Blackpool. Are you trying to say our squad is worse than theirs? ???

i'm not saying our squad is that bad, but it isn't good enough for the top 4. Some people believe that we've still got a squad good enough to challenge for the title and a change of manager is all we need. That's rubbish. We're top 6 at best.

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:28 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
mkingdom wrote:The squad is absolutely good enough to be above the likes of Stoke, Sunderland and Blackpool. Are you trying to say our squad is worse than theirs? ???

i'm not saying our squad is that bad, but it isn't good enough for the top 4. Some people believe that we've still got a squad good enough to challenge for the title and a change of manager is all we need. That's rubbish. We're top 6 at best.

Someone pointed out (maybe Roy?) that if you need a squad to fight then this is not it.
Can anyone seriously look through this bunch of players and point out more than three who will put themselves on the line for us?

by **metalhead** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:36 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
mkingdom wrote:The squad is absolutely good enough to be above the likes of Stoke, Sunderland and Blackpool. Are you trying to say our squad is worse than theirs? ???

i'm not saying our squad is that bad, but it isn't good enough for the top 4. Some people believe that we've still got a squad good enough to challenge for the title and a change of manager is all we need. That's rubbish. We're top 6 at best.

Someone pointed out (maybe Roy?) that if you need a squad to fight then this is not it.
Can anyone seriously look through this bunch of players and point out more than three who will put themselves on the line for us?

Gerrard, Carragher and Kuyt

thats 3

by **mkingdom** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:48 pm

metalhead wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
mkingdom wrote:The squad is absolutely good enough to be above the likes of Stoke, Sunderland and Blackpool. Are you trying to say our squad is worse than theirs? ???

i'm not saying our squad is that bad, but it isn't good enough for the top 4. Some people believe that we've still got a squad good enough to challenge for the title and a change of manager is all we need. That's rubbish. We're top 6 at best.

Someone pointed out (maybe Roy?) that if you need a squad to fight then this is not it.
Can anyone seriously look through this bunch of players and point out more than three who will put themselves on the line for us?

Gerrard, Carragher and Kuyt

thats 3

Lucas and Soto too.

They have the right attitude.

If you have a manger who you know is a muppet, and does not motivate you, you in turn do not do your best job.

I will say it again, replace Roy with a decent manager and these same players will start to look like a top 4 side.

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:56 pm

mkingdom wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
mkingdom wrote:The squad is absolutely good enough to be above the likes of Stoke, Sunderland and Blackpool. Are you trying to say our squad is worse than theirs? ???

i'm not saying our squad is that bad, but it isn't good enough for the top 4. Some people believe that we've still got a squad good enough to challenge for the title and a change of manager is all we need. That's rubbish. We're top 6 at best.

Someone pointed out (maybe Roy?) that if you need a squad to fight then this is not it.
Can anyone seriously look through this bunch of players and point out more than three who will put themselves on the line for us?

Gerrard, Carragher and Kuyt

thats 3

Lucas and Soto too.

They have the right attitude.

If you have a manger who you know is a muppet, and does not motivate you, you in turn do not do your best job.

I will say it again, replace Roy with a decent manager and these same players will start to look like a top 4 side.

Lucas?

One of the biggest problems we have and have had for years is that players were often bought and picked for their willingness to run all day, rather than for any technical skill. This has caught up with us with the evidence of not being able to move the ball from player to player with ease. This, alongside the current lack of balls, makes it hard to see how it will change

by **metalhead** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:58 pm

but you did ask who would put himself in the line for us, not how good the player is.

by **laza** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:58 pm

mkingdom wrote:I am not having this. I am sick and tired of hearing from the "experts" on Sky etc, excusing Roy because of all the "problems, and difficult circumstances". We have had new owners for months, and the old ones were the problem.

Sure, it will take time for the new ones to do what they want to do, but the problem has gone.

If you compare our squad to that of other EPL teams we are top 6 easily.

Look what Redknapp did at Spurs with mostly the same players as Ramos. They were bottom when he took over, and a change of manager turned that around completely. Yes he has bought along the way, and spent quite heavily, but the change of manager took the same players from bottom three to top half very quickly. In that scenario Ramos was the problem, as Roy is ours.

Until Roy stops doing stupid things like playing Kuyt on the left wing, and Mereilles on the right, he hasn't got a leg to stand on, when moaning about the squad.

He chose to let Aqualani and Insua leave on loan, and replace them with dross, for a cost of £10m.

The squad is absolutely good enough to be above the likes of Stoke, Sunderland and Blackpool. Are you trying to say our squad is worse than theirs? ???

Nonsense.

Well bloody said, soon as Rafa was gone and Roy came in. Suddenly this squad wasnt that good, lowering expectation to fit with new manager's ability.

This squad should be up challenging for a CL place and while players should be shaking their heads in shame at current form and league position. Ultimately the buck stops with the boss

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:01 pm

metalhead wrote:but you did ask who would put himself in the line for us, not how good the player is.

That was the first part of the question to guage peoples thoughts...

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