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by **Penguins** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:14 am

Well, Torres was a huge supporter for Rafa.
Rafa had most of the dressing room, just a few selfish players who thought they knew better and that showed how wll they knew....
Roy lost Torres day 1 as he did most of the players except maybe Carra who got a fat new 2 year contract when he had been in decline for awhile.

Torres wants to win things, that is why he came to LFC and that is what Rafa convinced Torres of. And Rafa had a track record of winning things.

What the **** has Roy a track record of?

Epic failure...

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:46 am

Penguins wrote:Well, Torres was a huge supporter for Rafa.
Rafa had most of the dressing room, just a few selfish players who thought they knew better and that showed how wll they knew....
Roy lost Torres day 1 as he did most of the players except maybe Carra who got a fat new 2 year contract when he had been in decline for awhile.

is that an opinion, or a fact? if its the latter, who told you that?

by **Penguins** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:30 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Penguins wrote:Well, Torres was a huge supporter for Rafa.
Rafa had most of the dressing room, just a few selfish players who thought they knew better and that showed how wll they knew....
Roy lost Torres day 1 as he did most of the players except maybe Carra who got a fat new 2 year contract when he had been in decline for awhile.

is that an opinion, or a fact? if its the latter, who told you that?

Use your eyes ffs.
And the stats don't lie either.

Torres doesn't go from a 56 in 71 goal scorer under Rafa
to a 5 in 17 goal scorer under Roy and who doesn't look like he could care.

It is called basic logic!

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:41 am

Penguins wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Penguins wrote:Well, Torres was a huge supporter for Rafa.
Rafa had most of the dressing room, just a few selfish players who thought they knew better and that showed how wll they knew....
Roy lost Torres day 1 as he did most of the players except maybe Carra who got a fat new 2 year contract when he had been in decline for awhile.

is that an opinion, or a fact? if its the latter, who told you that?

Use your eyes ffs.
And the stats don't lie either.

Torres doesn't go from a 56 in 71 goal scorer under Rafa
to a 5 in 17 goal scorer under Roy and who doesn't look like he could care.

It is called basic logic!

so each time a player is off form, its nothing to do with the player, but its the manager's fault?

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:34 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Penguins wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Penguins wrote:Well, Torres was a huge supporter for Rafa.
Rafa had most of the dressing room, just a few selfish players who thought they knew better and that showed how wll they knew....
Roy lost Torres day 1 as he did most of the players except maybe Carra who got a fat new 2 year contract when he had been in decline for awhile.

is that an opinion, or a fact? if its the latter, who told you that?

Use your eyes ffs.
And the stats don't lie either.

Torres doesn't go from a 56 in 71 goal scorer under Rafa
to a 5 in 17 goal scorer under Roy and who doesn't look like he could care.

It is called basic logic!

so each time a player is off form, its nothing to do with the player, but its the manager's fault?

I would say its a bit of both
When a striker is in a groove, like Torres in his first 2 seasons, everything goes for you. You take the chances, you take the knocks because you are enjoying yourself and probably think it will never end.
Torres was injured through last season and had a dismal world cup which battered his confidence. He has come back from injury but has lost his mentor in Benitez.
He now is playing like a tw@t and acting like a spoilt brat who is sulking because he cant get his own way. I undersand his frustration but he has got himself in a rut which he will find very hard to get out of.
He needs to grow up and give his all for the fans who pay his unbelievable wages otherwise he will pay the price

by **Bermenstein** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:59 pm

Get a manager in who will Galvanise the likes of Torres, Gerrard, Meireless, J Cole, Jovanovic...coz the club is just too Big for little Roy.

by **metalhead** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:14 pm

Bermenstein wrote:Get a manager in who will Galvanise the likes of Torres, Gerrard, Meireless, J Cole, Jovanovic...coz the club is just too Big for little Roy.

You just want your perfect record in thread starters back don't you?

by **Waldo** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:22 pm

It is blatantly obvious that Torres is not enjoying life at Anfield and I fully expect him to move on either in January or (more likely) the summer. We won't get anywhere the £50M he should be worth unless we see a vast improvement in attitude and performance over the coming months.

by **jacdaniel** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:36 pm

I heard Andy Gray commenting the other night on how positive Roy is for leaving Nando on the halfway line for corners! What Andy doesn't seem to realise is that we used to score more goals than any other team from counter attacking on corners from our own box. Torres stayed back and when Reina gathered the ball it was quickly realeased to someone and the brake was on.

This season, Torres and Reina both look average. Although Torres seems to be the one getting all the stick for it. Reina is no longer instructed to release the ball quickly. He goes for the old school long ball up to Torres all the time. And then Torres is expected to hold the ball up, similar to Heskey until the Midfield make up the 30 odd yard distance. How must these tactics make 2 Spanish players feel?

Actually make that 3 spanish players! Imagine if you were young Pacheco, and you loved to play in the hole were you could have a great influence over the game... and your manager started trying to change you into a winger.

The problem folks is not that all our players are cack, its that the manager has no idea how to use them. And maybe they find it hard to show passion when they all know this.

Meiriles is not a right winger. Kuyt is not a left winger. Pacheco is not a winger. Joe Cole is not a centre mid. Torres is not Emile Heskey. Gerrards best position is not CM. The Greek is not Peter Crouch. Konchesky is not a footballer.

by **Waldo** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:45 pm

jacdaniel wrote:I heard Andy Gray commenting the other night on how positive Roy is for leaving Nando on the halfway line for corners! What Andy doesn't seem to realise is that we used to score more goals than any other team from counter attacking on corners from our own box. Torres stayed back and when Reina gathered the ball it was quickly realeased to someone and the brake was on.

This season, Torres and Reina both look average. Although Torres seems to be the one getting all the stick for it. Reina is no longer instructed to release the ball quickly. He goes for the old school long ball up to Torres all the time. And then Torres is expected to hold the ball up, similar to Heskey until the Midfield make up the 30 odd yard distance. How must these tactics make 2 Spanish players feel?

Actually make that 3 spanish players! Imagine if you were young Pacheco, and you loved to play in the hole were you could have a great influence over the game... and your manager started trying to change you into a winger.

The problem folks is not that all our players are cack, its that the manager has no idea how to use them. And maybe they find it hard to show passion when they all know this.

Meiriles is not a right winger. Kuyt is not a left winger. Pacheco is not a winger. Joe Cole is not a centre mid. Torres is not Emile Heskey. Gerrards best position is not CM. The Greek is not Peter Crouch. Konchesky is not a footballer.

Good post.

It does not get away from the fact that Torres simply is not interested at the moment for whatever reason!!

by **jacdaniel** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:50 pm

Waldo wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:I heard Andy Gray commenting the other night on how positive Roy is for leaving Nando on the halfway line for corners! What Andy doesn't seem to realise is that we used to score more goals than any other team from counter attacking on corners from our own box. Torres stayed back and when Reina gathered the ball it was quickly realeased to someone and the brake was on.

This season, Torres and Reina both look average. Although Torres seems to be the one getting all the stick for it. Reina is no longer instructed to release the ball quickly. He goes for the old school long ball up to Torres all the time. And then Torres is expected to hold the ball up, similar to Heskey until the Midfield make up the 30 odd yard distance. How must these tactics make 2 Spanish players feel?

Actually make that 3 spanish players! Imagine if you were young Pacheco, and you loved to play in the hole were you could have a great influence over the game... and your manager started trying to change you into a winger.

The problem folks is not that all our players are cack, its that the manager has no idea how to use them. And maybe they find it hard to show passion when they all know this.

Meiriles is not a right winger. Kuyt is not a left winger. Pacheco is not a winger. Joe Cole is not a centre mid. Torres is not Emile Heskey. Gerrards best position is not CM. The Greek is not Peter Crouch. Konchesky is not a footballer.

Good post.

It does not get away from the fact that Torres simply is not interested at the moment for whatever reason!!

yeah true...

Maybe a new manager will help, maybe not. I think his Liverpool days are numbered. Hopefully we can get a decent fee for him though.

by **Penguins** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:55 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Penguins wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Penguins wrote:Well, Torres was a huge supporter for Rafa.
Rafa had most of the dressing room, just a few selfish players who thought they knew better and that showed how wll they knew....
Roy lost Torres day 1 as he did most of the players except maybe Carra who got a fat new 2 year contract when he had been in decline for awhile.

is that an opinion, or a fact? if its the latter, who told you that?

Use your eyes ffs.
And the stats don't lie either.

Torres doesn't go from a 56 in 71 goal scorer under Rafa
to a 5 in 17 goal scorer under Roy and who doesn't look like he could care.

It is called basic logic!

so each time a player is off form, its nothing to do with the player, but its the manager's fault?

2 seasons getting 51 in 76 and then 5 in 17 is too much of a blip.

1st that record under Rafa for 2 years and then this for half a season is more than a little off form...

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:11 am

Torres had been off form even when Rafa was around in case you hadn't noticed. so what's your point? i agree with Thommo's Sperm evaluation of the matter. it takes 2 hands to clap after all.

by **maguskwt** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:56 am

So how come it is the Roypologists on here that's blaming the players more than others? Coincidence? Don't think so. The buck always stop with the manager, that's it. If I were John Henry, if it means choosing between Roy and Torres and Reina, there will be no hesitation: I'll choose to keep two of my best assets, a world class striker and a world class goalkeeper over a mediocre mid-table manager any day.

by **Penguins** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:58 am

Ok, so Torres has been off form under Rafa for half a season....? :no

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