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by **taff** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:16 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
taff wrote:Im no genius but if I had to manage Torres I would try and replicate the tactics that made him a goal machine, not try and turn him into an old fashioned bruiser striker who plays with his back to the goal.

I agree
But the thing is how many times has he had genuine chances he would have scored with his eyes closed and has fu'cked up?
I saw him arguing last night in the first half and watched it again this morning. Who was he arguing with and why?

Ok. If he is the main man then why are we not playing to his strong points. If we keep Roy and continue like this then we might as well sell him and get used to playing a different style of game.

Im not shirking from criticising him but it does bemuse me that we change the team to put SG back in after an injury but we persevere with tactics that alienate Torres

by **stmichael** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:26 pm

the service to him has been pitiful but that doesn't excuse the perceived lack of effort from the lad recently. when he's at his best he makes things happen regardless of the service. it's too easy to just blame tactics. from what i saw last night the most worrying thing is that certain players are no longer giving their best for shirt. that is just not acceptable.

if i'm honest i've already prepared myself for him leaving in the summer anyway.

by **mart** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:36 pm

With Roy as our manager we might as well swap him for Heskey or Zamora.

by **Johnny Boy** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:42 pm

Starved of service perhaps, but he missed a sitter against Newcastle.
His general all round game has been poor, I don't care about comparisons with Heskey, Torres is supposed to be a world class player which means when the ball is played up to him he controls it properly. How hard can that be?

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:06 pm

there is no doubt that the tactics arent getting the best out of him.
But his attitude and workrate this season has been shocking.
Looks like he know's he is going for me.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:26 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:A stronger manager would drop him
Torres is becoming a liability and a bad influence on other players

A better manager would play tactics to bring out the best in him

Why is he not scoring easy chances?

He has always missed easy chances - he is a striker - the difference is before we created more than just the odd chance for him .

by **tubby** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:30 pm

Look, Torres has always had his off days, it's not like he is :censored:

invincible in every game he ever plays. But would you really be motivated if you were taking orders from a fkwit clueless manager who is not even playing the team to it's strengths. I don't blame Torres at all, I blame the idiot manager who is in all likelihood increasing the chances of Torres wanting away come the summer.

Get to fk Roy your time is up.

by **fivecups** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:38 pm

bavlondon wrote:I don't blame Torres at all,

With all due respect Bav, I've never read such sh'ite. Torres lack of effort is a disgrace. Wise up or get out next month.

Yes, we need a new manager, but his petulant lack of effort this season is one of the reasons I hate many aspects of modern football.

by **dundreamin** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:45 pm

The reason he,s petulant is because he,s not getting the service. Stop slagging him off. Getting :censored:

off with this bitching. Its the manager END OF

by **fivecups** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:54 pm

dundreamin wrote:The reason he,s petulant is because he,s not getting the service. Stop slagging him off. Getting off with this bitching. Its the manager END OF

Bull f'uckin :censored:

.

It's never just the manager.

You are blind if you think it's just lack of service. It's also lack of morale/confidence/effort/interest.

Compare him to Torres of 2 years ago - he isn't trying. He's given up. Compare him even to last season when he kept cracking up with the refs - he can't even be bothered to do that now. He's light years away from his best.

This is just typical 'black and white' rubbish. It's all down to the manager. Last season it was all down to the players. Balls. It's all of them. And Torres attitude has been awful this season. You put him and his £120K a week on a pedestal if you want - I'm not going to do that. Put the effort in or get out.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:59 pm

fivecups wrote:With all due respect Bav, I've never read such sh'ite. Torres lack of effort is a disgrace. Wise up or get out next month.

Yes, we need a new manager, but his petulant lack of effort this season is one of the reasons I hate many aspects of modern football.

Sadly and in no way am I condoning it ,or for that matter the players that implement it ,but its now a given that Torres and probably the majority of the team have lost complete trust in a manager who bizarrely believes he is infinitely better at management than he actually is,
when in truth his style of football is devoid of any thought ..... players who play badly on purpose are as a rule easily spotted ,but when its a fucking whole team they sort of blend in ....Torres and others who take to that pitch want this man out .... its not nice to watch and it happened to Benitez at the end of his tenure ...its sadly nothing new ....a collective group of players who look totally disinterested usually results in the manager being shown the proverbial door ....

by **metalhead** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:28 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Sadly and in no way am I condoning it ,or for that matter the players that implement it ,but its now a given that Torres and probably the majority of the team have lost complete trust in a manager who bizarrely believes he is infinitely better at management than he actually is,

Although mate, I'm still confused, the manager comes out and says that he has ''support'' of the players, which means he hasn't lost the dressing room and the players still support him.

I think the players saved Roy's @ss

by **crazyhorse** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:17 am

metalhead wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Sadly and in no way am I condoning it ,or for that matter the players that implement it ,but its now a given that Torres and probably the majority of the team have lost complete trust in a manager who bizarrely believes he is infinitely better at management than he actually is,

Although mate, I'm still confused, the manager comes out and says that he has ''support'' of the players, which means he hasn't lost the dressing room and the players still support him.

I think the players saved Roy's @ss

We dont see what goes on on the training field. Almost everyone i have read speaks of Roy as a fantastic coach.

Almost every "expert" says he will turn this around.

I want to support him, i really do.. but last nights result has really hurt. I have never seen a Liverpool side in the 37 years i have followed them show such abject lack of passion and skill.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:22 am

metalhead wrote:Although mate, I'm still confused, the manager comes out and says that he has ''support'' of the players, which means he hasn't lost the dressing room and the players still support him.

I think the players saved Roy's @ss

Its not a very nice thing to admit but it seems as though our current manager is rather liberal with the truth, and certainly not in keeping with our past managers ...... maybe if one of these supposed players backed him verbally in the press, I might be more inclined to believe the current incumbents slant on things ,however its looking decidedly likely he's lying through his nasty little teeth ,and apparently not for the first time ......

by **Johnny Boy** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:40 am

fivecups wrote:
dundreamin wrote:The reason he,s petulant is because he,s not getting the service. Stop slagging him off. Getting off with this bitching. Its the manager END OF

Bull f'uckin .

It's never just the manager.

You are blind if you think it's just lack of service. It's also lack of morale/confidence/effort/interest.

Compare him to Torres of 2 years ago - he isn't trying. He's given up. Compare him even to last season when he kept cracking up with the refs - he can't even be bothered to do that now. He's light years away from his best.

This is just typical 'black and white' rubbish. It's all down to the manager. Last season it was all down to the players. Balls. It's all of them. And Torres attitude has been awful this season. You put him and his £120K a week on a pedestal if you want - I'm not going to do that. Put the effort in or get out.

I agree completely. We cannot blame the manager for everything, Torres needs to do a lot better.

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