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by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:39 pm

rocky29 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Which once again is an opinion not a fact . Were we ever this bad under Rafa . The fact is no - in fact not been this bad a start for 50 odd years . So currently the evidence is pointing to changing the manager was an incorrect choice .

Thats a different question!!!!!

Last seasno we were awful. His buys were awful, everyone saw it, everyone knew it. We will never know where wed be if Rafa was still here, or which players wed have.. we cant see that!

What we do know is it was well past his time to go.

Choice was perfectly correct to anyone who knows anything about anything.

Its a relevant question - the point that you and a few others miss is - You change managers to improve and move forward - have we done that - if its yes then the changing of managers is correct - if its no then the changing of managers is incorrect . You all seem to think "anyone but Rafa" BUT we are currently in 18th because we changed managers . If there is no one better available then you dont change managers because you go backwards - and look what is happening currently - we are going backwards .

Good point
But there is no evidence whatsoever that things would have got better had Benitez stayed. There is more to prove that things would have got worse. We are 18th but we could have been 19th?
This is not a defense of Hodgson, merely a reasonable argument for Benitezes departure

i wanted rafa to go but theres no way mash would of left and aqua would of stayed and i do think roy signings have been terrible. Theres no doubt last years team was much better. Roy has fecked it up in my opinion.

To my recollection last years team played sh'ite, so much so that the manager had to go because of them?
I will agree youve got a point over Aquilani not staying. Mistake for me...

by **rocky29** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:22 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
rocky29 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Which once again is an opinion not a fact . Were we ever this bad under Rafa . The fact is no - in fact not been this bad a start for 50 odd years . So currently the evidence is pointing to changing the manager was an incorrect choice .

Thats a different question!!!!!

Last seasno we were awful. His buys were awful, everyone saw it, everyone knew it. We will never know where wed be if Rafa was still here, or which players wed have.. we cant see that!

What we do know is it was well past his time to go.

Choice was perfectly correct to anyone who knows anything about anything.

Its a relevant question - the point that you and a few others miss is - You change managers to improve and move forward - have we done that - if its yes then the changing of managers is correct - if its no then the changing of managers is incorrect . You all seem to think "anyone but Rafa" BUT we are currently in 18th because we changed managers . If there is no one better available then you dont change managers because you go backwards - and look what is happening currently - we are going backwards .

Good point
But there is no evidence whatsoever that things would have got better had Benitez stayed. There is more to prove that things would have got worse. We are 18th but we could have been 19th?
This is not a defense of Hodgson, merely a reasonable argument for Benitezes departure

i wanted rafa to go but theres no way mash would of left and aqua would of stayed and i do think roy signings have been terrible. Theres no doubt last years team was much better. Roy has fecked it up in my opinion.

To my recollection last years team played sh'ite, so much so that the manager had to go because of them?
I will agree youve got a point over Aquilani not staying. Mistake for me...

ye they was sh'ite last year. But i still say that team would of started better than this mish mash of a team we got now. The midfield is an absolute joke at the moment. Then we got nando whos gone AWOL

by **maguskwt** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:27 pm

rocky29 wrote:ye they was sh'ite last year. But i still say that team would of started better than this mish mash of a team we got now. The midfield is an absolute joke at the moment. Then we got nando whos gone AWOL

striker!...

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:46 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Which once again is an opinion not a fact . Were we ever this bad under Rafa . The fact is no - in fact not been this bad a start for 50 odd years . So currently the evidence is pointing to changing the manager was an incorrect choice .

Thats a different question!!!!!

Last seasno we were awful. His buys were awful, everyone saw it, everyone knew it. We will never know where wed be if Rafa was still here, or which players wed have.. we cant see that!

What we do know is it was well past his time to go.

Choice was perfectly correct to anyone who knows anything about anything.

Its a relevant question - the point that you and a few others miss is - You change managers to improve and move forward - have we done that - if its yes then the changing of managers is correct - if its no then the changing of managers is incorrect . You all seem to think "anyone but Rafa" BUT we are currently in 18th because we changed managers . If there is no one better available then you dont change managers because you go backwards - and look what is happening currently - we are going backwards .

Good point
But there is no evidence whatsoever that things would have got better had Benitez stayed. There is more to prove that things would have got worse. We are 18th but we could have been 19th?
This is not a defense of Hodgson, merely a reasonable argument for Benitezes departure

Were is the evidence that we could of been 19th ? Can you please tell me when under previous manager we have ever been so low in the league .

Just to remind you - even last season at this stage we were 4th with a game in hand

by **rocky29** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:27 pm

maguskwt wrote:
rocky29 wrote:ye they was sh'ite last year. But i still say that team would of started better than this mish mash of a team we got now. The midfield is an absolute joke at the moment. Then we got nando whos gone AWOL

striker!...

listen pal growup yes i repeat myself over the striker and the aqua position. But i have been proved right look at the mess were in now. So try and growup cos u aint funny anymore.

by **zarababe** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:43 pm

Your all a disgrace :angry:

"New Owner lines-up BIG SAM yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !"

by **bigmick** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:33 pm

zarababe wrote:Your all a disgrace

Totally agree. Calling for a managers head after seven games is a joke.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:45 pm

Getting a manager the standard of Hodgson was a disgrace , paying 9 million to replace a top class manager with a lower team manager was a disgrace . The evidence on the pitch is conclusive .

by **rocky29** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:49 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Getting a manager the standard of Hodgson was a disgrace , paying 9 million to replace a top class manager with a lower team manager was a disgrace . The evidence on the pitch is conclusive .

here we go again. Repeat

by **bigmick** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:50 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:The evidence on the pitch is conclusive .

How can the evidence be conclusive when we've only had seven league matches? Don't be silly.

I'm not disputing that your distrust of the manager is deep rooted, probably as near to your hero worship of the previous one, but the evidence isn't "conclusive", it would be impossible for it to be so.

Normally you talk total b0ll0cks, but just occasionally you lapse into the "sheer and utter" category of b0ll0cks. I actually prefer you in this mode because you're funny :laugh:

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by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:00 pm

I'll elaborate for you - what we see on the pitch is the way our manager wants the players to play - it's the way his teams play - the manager himself has stated as such and he has even stated he is even happy with the set up - so yes I in my humble opinion after seeing 17 games yes that's 17 games that he isn't good enough to be manager of us or a top team and he is suited to lower level teams who are more than happy to sit deep 10 men behind the ball . Yes I never rated him and I made my judgement on his 30 odd years of previous management with NO major trophies of note . Everything i worried about during the summer and when he got the job is unfolding in front of my eyes . Because of that I'm bloody pis.sed off and angry . In my 30 years plus i have never ever sat there in the stand and watched such awful football and i have never ever seen us so low in the league - why are we there and why are we playing such awful football ( every game ) - because we spent 9 million replacing a top class manager with a lower team manager . The result of that can be witnessed week in week out currently on the pitch .

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:14 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:I'll elaborate for you - what we see on the pitch is the way our manager wants the players to play - it's the way his teams play - the manager himself has stated as such and he has even stated he is even happy with the set up - so yes I in my humble opinion after seeing 17 games yes that's 17 games that he isn't good enough to be manager of us or a top team and he is suited to lower level teams who are more than happy to sit deep 10 men behind the ball . Yes I never rated him and I made my judgement on his 30 odd years of previous management with NO major trophies of note . Everything i worried about during the summer and when he got the job is unfolding in front of my eyes . Because of that I'm bloody pis.sed off and angry . In my 30 years plus i have never ever sat there in the stand and watched such awful football and i have never ever seen us so low in the league - why are we there and why are we playing such awful football ( every game ) - because we spent 9 million replacing a top class manager with a lower team manager . The result of that can be witnessed week in week out currently on the pitch .

Good point
But I think although youre angry and pi'ssed off you are exaggerating to get your point across. The team is playing badly and the players are underperforming, no doubt. Roy has made mistakes and hopefully he will learn from them (he has to or its curtains for him). Hopefully the players will pull their finger out too and we will move up the table. We need a better attitude and some luck and Im sure we'll see a difference on the pitch. Sunday is the perfect time to show more passion and guile and I have a feeling we will see it.
I think your insistance to keep going on about wasting 9 million is a bit of a smokescreen. As has been said you were one of Benitezes biggest cheerleaders right up to the end and I think it still grieves you that he was ousted. This shows in your posts and I honestly would advise you to stop being so, dare I say, "bitter" because you are becoming slightly tedious with your repetative moaning.
Try changing the record and see what happens...?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:56 pm

For me personally I believe getting shot of Rafa and replacing him with Hodgson ranks alongside Souness signing Torben Piechnik as possibly the worst descision the club has ever made ....just being honest like

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:02 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:For me personally I believe getting shot of Rafa and replacing him with Hodgson ranks alongside Souness signing Torben Piechnik as possibly the worst descision the club has ever made ....just being honest like

Torben Piechnik!
Ive seen worse...
:shifty

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:05 pm

No smokescreen no conspiracy theory - saying it exactly how I see it - letting rafa go and replacing him with hodgson was a massive mistake boardline criminal . The evidence is plain to see for the normal people .

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