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by **lakes10** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:01 am

going from looking fit to looking Fu.cked.

Terry to Lamps, lamps tp Rooney......rooney loses the ball.

Takes Lamp out of the team, put Rooney on the bench, play steve were he likes and put Crouch up front with Defoe.

Gerrard looked like the only player that was trying before the subs were put on.......but that was only when he got given the ball. Roonet took so long on the ball all the time and then would try to pass it to Gerrard who was marked and we lost the ball.

as he said ""We were not good enough to make the breakthrough in the final third."

by **Owzat** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:02 am

fivecups wrote:1. Why are England so bad at the minute?
2. What do they do to sort it out?

1) Because England insist on picking players not up to playing International football and contributing in a way that will see England win games. For example Green (clanger), Heskey ("does a job", but that isn't enough at this level), Lennon (does ok, could do a LOT better), Barry and Milner (not good enough), Carra (sorry, but exposed by pace in particular at this level) and Johnson (needs a lot more to his defence, doesn't compensate enough in attack) and King (always likely to get injured) With headless chicken SWP being automatic sub England look poor

2) Better selection, of squad and team/subs. Sadly it is too late for the squad, but I can't see how Lennon and SWP can get so much pitch time while Cole who is better than both can't get on the pitch at all. Cappello is no better than predecessors for picking on reputation rather than performance/end product.

While many admire what Heskey does for, or 'brings to', the England side, two draws don't lie and while that isn't entirely down to Heskey, his presence impacts on the whole team. Crossing to him is pointless, playing him through is pointless and it also puts a burden on Rooney to be the goalscoring front man which for me isn't his best role. Defoe would be a far better option with Rooney behind him, easily switched to a standard 4-4-2 and with more goal threat. Rooney drops too deep too often to be an out-and-out striker, better he pulls the strings behind a goalscorer and can direct the wide play too. I'd be tempted to play this team against Slovenia

GK James (for continuity of selection)
RB Johnson
LB A.Cole
CB Upson
CB Terry
RM Gerrard
LM J.Cole
CM Lampard
CM Carrick (if fit)
SS Rooney
CF Defoe

We can always bring on Lennon to run fast, switch the side around to bring Gerrard central or bring on Crouch to mix it up. To me that is the best starting XI, also providing the best options for subs with switches and subs combining for more options ie can bring on Lennon for Carrick and bring Gerrard central rather than just be stuck with like-for-like swaps like SWP for Lennon.

Too many starters are really England 2nd XI material - Green, Milner, Heskey, Barry, SWP, Carra, King and probably more. Fair enough injury has denied us rio, but that isn't a whole XI and CB has only been a problem because Cappello replaced an injury prone player who should never have been picked for the squad with a slower CB who didn't have a great season and has been booked twice so a third different CB in three games will partner Terry vs Slovenia. If you offered top clubs those players I have called "2nd XI material", I doubt they'd want more than Milner and that isn't for his England performances. Any interest Arsenal had in Green may have gone, unless his price is affected which I doubt

I did hear this is the first World Cup (possibly tournament) where a change of England keepers hasn't been enforced. (Bonetti replaced Banks due to food poisoning)

by **Owzat** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:12 am

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:what a pile of horse dung that was lastnight, sorry but any manager who persists with Heskey upfront deserves all the the stick thats about to come his way in the press this morning.

i know one thing ill not be losing out on any money next wednesday by leaving work early to watch that cr@p again.

as for Rooney, if your going to give stick to the fans after the game maybe best to do it after you`ve played a blinder instead of like a potato.

Someone placed a £10 bet on Algeria to win, doesn't look so stupid now. That said it was based on him going to Africa or something as lame (since Africa have won just one game in nine between their SIX teams and lost FIVE)

Don't understand the fetish for Heskey, I know shrek has donkey in the films, but the real life shrek hasn't benefited from donkey being at the World Cup.

Ask who is going to score the goals? Maybe fat frank or Stevie G, Rooney had a good season for goals, but Lemon or Heskey or Barry?!?! Better to 'drop the dead donkey' (going to watch the first few series sometime very soon) and put a thoroughbred like Defoe on. I was concerned at the squad when I saw how few strikers we were taking compared to defenders

Rooney - good domestic season, not so convinced for England though.

Heskey - still waving a banjo at a cow's a rse with no effect to the cow

Crouch - lots love him, but his goals record for England is half in friendlies and most of the rest in qualifiers against rubbish sides. THAT goal against Trinidad & Tobago where he pulled the defenders hair is his only goal in a finals competition (pretty sure that was the goal wasn't it?)

Defoe - never quite done it for England, still prefer him to Heskey and Crouch

EDIT : re Rooney's comments. I think footballers should STFU unless they've won and their (team) performance was undeniably good. If he thinks they are so good they don't deserve booing, maybe the team would like to do something on the pitch to prove they are as good as they think.

by **Big Niall** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:25 am

Too much expectation is on them. The players aren't that good, and are prima donna "hello magazine" types. The algerians are technically just as good. Don't believe the hype about all these "world class" types.

The spirit is poor because they know they aren't as good as people make.

The reason England isn't, and never has been, a powerhouse football country like Germany,Italy,Brazil,Argentina etc is deep rooted in the coaching of millions of 10 year kids on. It is much deeper than the manager - Capello is one of the best in the world.

by **zarababe** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:32 am

from 'kick and rush' to laboured and heavy going...

Capello looked dejected and unsure for the first time.. half time he looked like he didn't wanna be there.

Defoe.. 'we are still a great team' - yeh who you trying to convince J ?

by **brentd4** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:33 am

cant understand why england r so poor, i think if northern ireland werent so unlucky in qualifying they would have done a better job,,,, come on the wee northern ireland

by **In and Out** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:22 am

James

Johnson Carra Terry Cole

SWP Gerrard Carrick Cole

Crouch Defoe

On last nights performance there is no way in hell I'd pick Lampard or Rooney. Lennon needs to be dropped he's useless and Heskey (f.uckinhell, can't believe he's a professional footballer).

by **Ben Patrick** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:53 pm

That was painful to watch last night.
The whole team struggled and looked so devoid of ideas.
Capello desperately needs to take Heskey and Lampard out of the side for me.
Get Gerrard back in the middle and Defoe in with Rooney with Joe Cole on the left. Should have been Adam Johnson but strangely he was overlooked when he is our best attacking left sided player.
I feel we would see a far better side then.
The players arent technically anywhere near good enough and never will be.
We dont keep posession well enough. Its frustrating to watch the ball being given away time and again and i thought Gerrard and Rooney where 2 of the worst culprits last night.
I would also probably start Wright-Phillips ahead of Lennon.

James

Johnson Carragher Terry Cole

Wright-Phillips Barry Joe Cole
Gerrard

Rooney Defoe

Heskey was an embarrasment last night, i actually cringed when he tried that step over thing and then crossed it over the bar.
He has been injured most of the season and has been poor recently anyway. Nothing justifies his inclusion at all.
I still feel they will scrape the required win to take them through but the team dont look anywhere near good enough to compete in the later stages.

by **zarababe** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:03 pm

Rooney - luv him or hate him - I have to agree with what he said.. why are the 'fans' booing. It won't do anything for the players confidence. They know the press is on there back any way, if the fans do the same at this stage.. of course it is dissappointing, big time, but you need to stya behind the team.

by **SeaofRed** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:55 pm

The manner England is displaying is disgusting, nothing short of disgusting. There's no fight, no determination to succeed or urgency in our play and things need to change because I am not at all confident that this team can even qualify from the group stages.

I thought things had changed under Capello's guidance, but nothing has changed at all, it's just the same old "Golden Generation" and the same continued failings.

by **Owzat** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:57 pm

zarababe wrote:It won't do anything for the players confidence.

yeah because they booed before the game and all the way through, not after TWO pathetic games in a row. And they shouldn't need motivation, funny how our gobshi'te footballers rile the opponents and motivate them with remarks in the media, yet they can't be motivated by fans and media on their back...................

Send out a tonne of cotton wool, the poor little primadonna rich boy footballers need wrapping up in it!

Can't believe people want to dump Lennon but bring in WRIGHT-PHILLIPS. Put Stevie G on the right, Joe Cole on the left and Rooney in behind Defoe. Some are critical of Rooney dropping too deep, I think he is always likely to so why play a useless lump Heskey (or Crouch) with him, play a player who looks for goal and finds it - for club if not country. If we insist on playing a Heskey type then at least give Kevin Davies or someone like that a go

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:57 pm

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by **SeaofRed** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:05 pm

zarababe wrote:Rooney - luv him or hate him - I have to agree with what he said.. why are the 'fans' booing. It won't do anything for the players confidence. They know the press is on there back any way, if the fans do the same at this stage.. of course it is dissappointing, big time, but you need to stya behind the team.

These players are multi-millionaires, they are some of the finest footballers in the world and they cannot even score a goal against Algeria? Only Gerrard and Johnson have any credibility from this World Cup.

Wayne Rooney has the chance to reinforce claims that he is one of the best strikers in the world and yet he has been our worst performer. Lampard must be the only player in the world who can have poor games at international level and still get selected. Aaron Lennon cannot distribute the ball well, why have a winger who cannot cross? Emile Heskey is just dire, if Wayne is not firing on all cylinders then we have to rely on Heskey? It's just pure craziness.

England deserve jeering because their performances have been an insult to those who have paid thousands to go and follow them in South Africa. Our performances are on par with those of France and I don't see the French not jeering do you?

The next England manager needs to rebuild this England team. Replace the likes of Lampard etc.

by **laza** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:34 pm

Cmon Aussie

Lets smash Ghana and get back on track

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:18 pm

brentd4 wrote:cant understand why england r so poor, i think if northern ireland werent so unlucky in qualifying they would have done a better job,,,, come on the wee northern ireland

Are you taking the p*ss? I thought Brazil were already there? Oh, wait...sorry...my mistake. I always get confused between those two. Silly me.

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