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Postby heimdall » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:25 am

Sabre wrote:
Reg wrote:Why should Alonso be shocked about a move? Thats how football players make money, signing on fees plus improved salary - its win win.

It's shocking to know the club considers to sell you, when you know it in the newspaper rather than directly from the club.

Yes but is that the whole story Sabre, I bet so many things happen which we have no idea about. anyway If Xabi stays then that is great although would have been very nice with Sneijder, Negredo and possibly Silva but now that we have Nemeth looking like he could break into the first XI I'm too worried. Rafa has to be giving that lad some regular games next season he looks like he's ready. Put it this way if Rafa starts Eggnog instead of Nemeth then I really will start with the Rafa bashing because that won't make any sense, Eggnog is complete and utter garbage.
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Postby Sabre » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:27 am

Even if Nemeth plays before N'gog, I don't think you'll stop the Rafa bashing. In fact I think you need to fall in love with a woman or something so that we have a bashing free season :D
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Postby heimdall » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:30 am

Sabre wrote:Even if Nemeth plays before N'gog, I don't think you'll stop the Rafa bashing. In fact I think you need to fall in love with a woman or something so that we have a bashing free season :D

Nope, that has never stopped me before.  :D

In fairness I've been nice to Rafa for quite some time now, because he has been doing things correctly and therefore doing a good job, but seriously Sabre what the hell does Rafa see in Eggnog, the lad is a terrible player in every aspect.
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Postby GYBS » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:32 am

Oh look another thread with you slagging off Ngog - ffs nemeth scored a couple in pre season - thats all - lets not forget he was poor in the other pre season games and Ngog looked more dangerous than him in those games .
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Postby heimdall » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:29 pm

GYBS wrote:Oh look another thread with you slagging off Ngog - ffs nemeth scored a couple in pre season - thats all - lets not forget he was poor in the other pre season games and Ngog looked more dangerous than him in those games .

What you mean those other games where Eggnog single handedly won us the game?? In the other preseason games we played :censored: as a team whereas we finally jelled against Singapore. I saw absolutely nothing from Eggnog in the Singapore game or any other game I have ever watched him play to suggest he has enough talent to make it, just for once agree with me because i will keep arguing about this as long as you insist he is a good player.

Why is it you always stick up for our worst players like Lucas and Eggnog, are you just very charitable by nature or do you perhaps not understand what is needed to succeed in football?
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Postby big al » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:38 pm

At the risk of offending some people here I think it is a wise move for Xabi Alonso to leave Liverpool.  I say this because I side with Xabi and his future rather than Liverpools need to keep him.  Alonso is the most fouled against player in the premiership higher even than Ronaldo ( and mostly genuine fouls)  Last year he had six players red carded against him including the idiot tackle of Joey Barton.  Xabi could very easily get an injury that would put and end to his career.  Every team knows that to stop liverpool you need to close Alonso down so they foul him and tackle him.  Either Liverpool buys another creative player like Xabi who takes pressure of him or let the guy go.  He won't get half as many bad tackles in La Liga.  I know its hard not to be selfish because without him we'll struggle to play as well as we did last year.  The other option of course is to gave him a wage equal to Gerrard which might be enough to persuade him to continue risking a carrer ending injury in the premiership.
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Postby ConnO'var » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:49 pm

big al wrote:At the risk of offending some people here I think it is a wise move for Xabi Alonso to leave Liverpool.  I say this because I side with Xabi and his future rather than Liverpools need to keep him.  Alonso is the most fouled against player in the premiership higher even than Ronaldo ( and mostly genuine fouls)  Last year he had six players red carded against him including the idiot tackle of Joey Barton.  Xabi could very easily get an injury that would put and end to his career.  Every team knows that to stop liverpool you need to close Alonso down so they foul him and tackle him.  Either Liverpool buys another creative player like Xabi who takes pressure of him or let the guy go.  He won't get half as many bad tackles in La Liga.  I know its hard not to be selfish because without him we'll struggle to play as well as we did last year.  The other option of course is to gave him a wage equal to Gerrard which might be enough to persuade him to continue risking a carrer ending injury in the premiership.

I don't see anything at all to be offended about your post. In fact it's a very good one and the concern does you credit.

There is merit in what you say.... however, i do think that Xabi is tough enough to handle it. Taking some heat off him does make sense. I tend to differ from your proffered solution of getting another creative player though.

For me, in our current team set up, the only way that'll happen is if we re-convert Stevie back to a box-to-box central midfielder and drop Mascherano. In which we case we will need to obtain the services of the much vaunted and longed for "creative second striker". Very few of them out there which are of sufficient quality and also of reasonable affordability.

I would still advocate getting proper right and left wingers. With good outlets on the wings, Xabi will be able to wreck havoc from deep and still fullfill his duties as a defensive midfielder.

If we change formation however..... it becomes a different kettle of fish.... quite a few personnel changes would be required imo.

As is, we have a very stable spine..... Reina , Carra , Agger, Mascherano , Xabi , Stevie and Torres.

I don't really rate Glen Johnson but am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt..... Aurelio is good when fit and Insua has impressed me a lot so I'm not too worried about the leftback position.

That's a total of 9 1st team positions sorted out. Leaving us with 2 wingers required..... Kuyt does the job but imo does not have any pace, creativity to be a threat against the weaker teams but I feel that against the stronger teams, he's a valuable member...... more like a defensive right midfielder. Reira flatters to deceive but has done well enough for me.

Leaving Skrtel, Doss, Kuyt and Reira on the bench. With the (hopefully) emergence of Nemeth.... The bench looks good.

If Xabi does go, than we'll need a replacement if we want to keep the formation. If we get KWALITY wingers..... a player like Scott Parker could do the job well enough..... If we don't, we'll need real creative quality in the middle to replace him.

If push came to shove and we cannot raise funds for wingers..... than the choice is more difficult..... Keep Xabi or get Silva/Robben (for example)??

Plus all this will he / won't he is doing me head in. We are running out of TIME. Any new players will need bedding in time and if we don't do it in pre-season, the early results may suffer for it.

Time to fish or cut bait Rafa..... Set a dateline and be done with it. We need to set our plans in motion and not be hanging off the coattails of Real Madrid.

We're 2 players short and that needs sorting asap.
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Postby sixbuster » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:46 pm

ConnO'var wrote:
big al wrote:At the risk of offending some people here I think it is a wise move for Xabi Alonso to leave Liverpool.  I say this because I side with Xabi and his future rather than Liverpools need to keep him.  Alonso is the most fouled against player in the premiership higher even than Ronaldo ( and mostly genuine fouls)  Last year he had six players red carded against him including the idiot tackle of Joey Barton.  Xabi could very easily get an injury that would put and end to his career.  Every team knows that to stop liverpool you need to close Alonso down so they foul him and tackle him.  Either Liverpool buys another creative player like Xabi who takes pressure of him or let the guy go.  He won't get half as many bad tackles in La Liga.  I know its hard not to be selfish because without him we'll struggle to play as well as we did last year.  The other option of course is to gave him a wage equal to Gerrard which might be enough to persuade him to continue risking a carrer ending injury in the premiership.

I don't see anything at all to be offended about your post. In fact it's a very good one and the concern does you credit.

There is merit in what you say.... however, i do think that Xabi is tough enough to handle it. Taking some heat off him does make sense. I tend to differ from your proffered solution of getting another creative player though.

For me, in our current team set up, the only way that'll happen is if we re-convert Stevie back to a box-to-box central midfielder and drop Mascherano. In which we case we will need to obtain the services of the much vaunted and longed for "creative second striker". Very few of them out there which are of sufficient quality and also of reasonable affordability.

I would still advocate getting proper right and left wingers. With good outlets on the wings, Xabi will be able to wreck havoc from deep and still fullfill his duties as a defensive midfielder.

If we change formation however..... it becomes a different kettle of fish.... quite a few personnel changes would be required imo.

As is, we have a very stable spine..... Reina , Carra , Agger, Mascherano , Xabi , Stevie and Torres.

I don't really rate Glen Johnson but am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt..... Aurelio is good when fit and Insua has impressed me a lot so I'm not too worried about the leftback position.

That's a total of 9 1st team positions sorted out. Leaving us with 2 wingers required..... Kuyt does the job but imo does not have any pace, creativity to be a threat against the weaker teams but I feel that against the stronger teams, he's a valuable member...... more like a defensive right midfielder. Reira flatters to deceive but has done well enough for me.

Leaving Skrtel, Doss, Kuyt and Reira on the bench. With the (hopefully) emergence of Nemeth.... The bench looks good.

If Xabi does go, than we'll need a replacement if we want to keep the formation. If we get KWALITY wingers..... a player like Scott Parker could do the job well enough..... If we don't, we'll need real creative quality in the middle to replace him.

If push came to shove and we cannot raise funds for wingers..... than the choice is more difficult..... Keep Xabi or get Silva/Robben (for example)??

Plus all this will he / won't he is doing me head in. We are running out of TIME. Any new players will need bedding in time and if we don't do it in pre-season, the early results may suffer for it.

Time to fish or cut bait Rafa..... Set a dateline and be done with it. We need to set our plans in motion and not be hanging off the coattails of Real Madrid.

We're 2 players short and that needs sorting asap.

i agree wholeheartedly, excellent post
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Postby HacksawJimDuggin » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:58 pm

sixbuster wrote:
ConnO'var wrote:
big al wrote:At the risk of offending some people here I think it is a wise move for Xabi Alonso to leave Liverpool.  I say this because I side with Xabi and his future rather than Liverpools need to keep him.  Alonso is the most fouled against player in the premiership higher even than Ronaldo ( and mostly genuine fouls)  Last year he had six players red carded against him including the idiot tackle of Joey Barton.  Xabi could very easily get an injury that would put and end to his career.  Every team knows that to stop liverpool you need to close Alonso down so they foul him and tackle him.  Either Liverpool buys another creative player like Xabi who takes pressure of him or let the guy go.  He won't get half as many bad tackles in La Liga.  I know its hard not to be selfish because without him we'll struggle to play as well as we did last year.  The other option of course is to gave him a wage equal to Gerrard which might be enough to persuade him to continue risking a carrer ending injury in the premiership.

I don't see anything at all to be offended about your post. In fact it's a very good one and the concern does you credit.

There is merit in what you say.... however, i do think that Xabi is tough enough to handle it. Taking some heat off him does make sense. I tend to differ from your proffered solution of getting another creative player though.

For me, in our current team set up, the only way that'll happen is if we re-convert Stevie back to a box-to-box central midfielder and drop Mascherano. In which we case we will need to obtain the services of the much vaunted and longed for "creative second striker". Very few of them out there which are of sufficient quality and also of reasonable affordability.

I would still advocate getting proper right and left wingers. With good outlets on the wings, Xabi will be able to wreck havoc from deep and still fullfill his duties as a defensive midfielder.

If we change formation however..... it becomes a different kettle of fish.... quite a few personnel changes would be required imo.

As is, we have a very stable spine..... Reina , Carra , Agger, Mascherano , Xabi , Stevie and Torres.

I don't really rate Glen Johnson but am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt..... Aurelio is good when fit and Insua has impressed me a lot so I'm not too worried about the leftback position.

That's a total of 9 1st team positions sorted out. Leaving us with 2 wingers required..... Kuyt does the job but imo does not have any pace, creativity to be a threat against the weaker teams but I feel that against the stronger teams, he's a valuable member...... more like a defensive right midfielder. Reira flatters to deceive but has done well enough for me.

Leaving Skrtel, Doss, Kuyt and Reira on the bench. With the (hopefully) emergence of Nemeth.... The bench looks good.

If Xabi does go, than we'll need a replacement if we want to keep the formation. If we get KWALITY wingers..... a player like Scott Parker could do the job well enough..... If we don't, we'll need real creative quality in the middle to replace him.

If push came to shove and we cannot raise funds for wingers..... than the choice is more difficult..... Keep Xabi or get Silva/Robben (for example)??

Plus all this will he / won't he is doing me head in. We are running out of TIME. Any new players will need bedding in time and if we don't do it in pre-season, the early results may suffer for it.

Time to fish or cut bait Rafa..... Set a dateline and be done with it. We need to set our plans in motion and not be hanging off the coattails of Real Madrid.

We're 2 players short and that needs sorting asap.

i agree wholeheartedly, excellent post

Sums up the 220+ posts perfectly.

I am more confident by the day that Xabi will stay (I am poet and I didn't know it  :laugh: )
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Postby bunglemark2 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:24 pm

Feswick, there are rocks ahead !
If there are, we all be dead.... :p
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Postby heimdall » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:46 pm

yepp good post Big Al
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Postby bigmick » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:04 pm

ConnO'var wrote:
big al wrote:At the risk of offending some people here I think it is a wise move for Xabi Alonso to leave Liverpool.  I say this because I side with Xabi and his future rather than Liverpools need to keep him.  Alonso is the most fouled against player in the premiership higher even than Ronaldo ( and mostly genuine fouls)  Last year he had six players red carded against him including the idiot tackle of Joey Barton.  Xabi could very easily get an injury that would put and end to his career.  Every team knows that to stop liverpool you need to close Alonso down so they foul him and tackle him.  Either Liverpool buys another creative player like Xabi who takes pressure of him or let the guy go.  He won't get half as many bad tackles in La Liga.  I know its hard not to be selfish because without him we'll struggle to play as well as we did last year.  The other option of course is to gave him a wage equal to Gerrard which might be enough to persuade him to continue risking a carrer ending injury in the premiership.

I don't see anything at all to be offended about your post. In fact it's a very good one and the concern does you credit.

There is merit in what you say.... however, i do think that Xabi is tough enough to handle it. Taking some heat off him does make sense. I tend to differ from your proffered solution of getting another creative player though.

For me, in our current team set up, the only way that'll happen is if we re-convert Stevie back to a box-to-box central midfielder and drop Mascherano. In which we case we will need to obtain the services of the much vaunted and longed for "creative second striker". Very few of them out there which are of sufficient quality and also of reasonable affordability.

I would still advocate getting proper right and left wingers. With good outlets on the wings, Xabi will be able to wreck havoc from deep and still fullfill his duties as a defensive midfielder.

If we change formation however..... it becomes a different kettle of fish.... quite a few personnel changes would be required imo.

As is, we have a very stable spine..... Reina , Carra , Agger, Mascherano , Xabi , Stevie and Torres.

I don't really rate Glen Johnson but am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt..... Aurelio is good when fit and Insua has impressed me a lot so I'm not too worried about the leftback position.

That's a total of 9 1st team positions sorted out. Leaving us with 2 wingers required..... Kuyt does the job but imo does not have any pace, creativity to be a threat against the weaker teams but I feel that against the stronger teams, he's a valuable member...... more like a defensive right midfielder. Reira flatters to deceive but has done well enough for me.

Leaving Skrtel, Doss, Kuyt and Reira on the bench. With the (hopefully) emergence of Nemeth.... The bench looks good.

If Xabi does go, than we'll need a replacement if we want to keep the formation. If we get KWALITY wingers..... a player like Scott Parker could do the job well enough..... If we don't, we'll need real creative quality in the middle to replace him.

If push came to shove and we cannot raise funds for wingers..... than the choice is more difficult..... Keep Xabi or get Silva/Robben (for example)??

Plus all this will he / won't he is doing me head in. We are running out of TIME. Any new players will need bedding in time and if we don't do it in pre-season, the early results may suffer for it.

Time to fish or cut bait Rafa..... Set a dateline and be done with it. We need to set our plans in motion and not be hanging off the coattails of Real Madrid.

We're 2 players short and that needs sorting asap.

Top post that Conn, agree with every single word.
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Postby JoeTerp » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:38 am

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30 million doesn't sound like enough :(

hopefully we can hold out the next 2 days
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Postby Sabre » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:01 am

Conn asked for a deadline, and there it is in the headline.

Joe, anyway, that figure comes from the environment of the player, I hope Rafa doesn't yield to that money.
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Postby ConnO'var » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:09 am

Sabre wrote:Conn asked for a deadline, and there it is in the headline.

Joe, anyway, that figure comes from the environment of the player, I hope Rafa doesn't yield to that money.

Sabre,

Can you help translate the front page please?
Is it saying that Real Madrid have 48 hours to match our valuation or is it saying that we will make a decision to accept/reject their latest offer in the next 48 hours?
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