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Postby 112-1077774096 » Tue May 26, 2009 2:02 am

bigmick wrote:Well if the problem is simply one of "clash of personality", then it simply doesn't have to be so that therefore the player must leave. Xabi was like Rafa's son when he signed, his eyes and ears on the pitch very much in the ascendency in terms of who the manager trusted, even over Gerrard, so what has gone wrong? Obviously there's the carry-on last Summer, where I don't think even Rafa's staunchest admirers would pretend that he necessarily behaved at his best, but what else?

My point is, whatever has happened behind the scenes is the same as what happens down the delivery depot, down the warehouse, in the factoiry etc every week. From there, people either p!ss off in their seperate directions (or at least one of them does), they tolerate each other and get on with it, they go out and hammered together (much my favoured solution) ot they go outside and kick the sh!t out of each other which tends to put things into perspective as well. It doesn't have to be the first option.

Now assuming that at his age even despite his bouncer goatee Rafa wouldn't fancy a bit of fisticuffs with a professional footballer, (albeit one as outwardly placid as Xabi), that still leaves two other options other than Xabi leaving.

Surely from a culture which so ancient, so civilised, so rich and steeped in a tradition of long casual dinners overlooking the scorched terrain, they must be able to find it in themselves to have a chat about it. Perhaps a bottle of Rioja or two, some Patatas Bravas or whatever the feck it's called (you know that tomatoey potato stuff that you always end up ordering three portions of in the Tapas bar on your annual visit). Perhaps some marinated olives, a bit of mmm mmm and nodding your head as the other bloke is apologising and the olive oil is dripping down your chin. By the time the seafood course comes round, everyone will be loosening up. Rafa's missus will be telling Xabi's old woman about his little habits, he'll be denying it and they'll be laughing. The kids will be fecking around climbing the apple trees, and when Rafa suggests he and Xabi take a walk and a talk, all will be good.

The manager can put an arm on Xabi's shoulder, not metaphorically but literally, and tell him he wrong last Summer but everyone makes mistakes. He can ask Xabi where else on planet Earth would he rather be next Summer, than still plying his trade at Liverpool. He could ask him what he thinks it'll like to parade the Premiership trophy around a lush Anfield, in front of 45000 adoring fans, the majority of whom are long past singing and are now in floods of tears.

We have the opportunity to change the course of football history he could tell him. To put the stick into the spokes (cheers Bob) of the Mancs and their attempts to dominate not just football matches, but football in general, and to emerge triumphant. The long suffering people of Liverpool could at last have their day in the sun, and he could help provide it. Whatever it is that's eating Xabi, nothing is bigger than this.

Don't leave us now fella, we've got a title to win and we need you (that's me saying that bit).

you have sold it to me mik, I am going to spain for my holidays

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Postby Toffeehater » Tue May 26, 2009 2:13 am

He won't leave :)
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Postby GOAT » Tue May 26, 2009 2:21 am

Toffeehater wrote:He won't leave :)

Phew! Thank f.uck for that, we can rest easy now people

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Postby Toffeehater » Tue May 26, 2009 2:21 am

GOAT wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:He won't leave :)

Phew! Thank f.uck for that, we can rest easy now people

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Postby devaney » Tue May 26, 2009 7:43 am

Is it a bad thing these rumours. Alonso has had his best season so let's find out what somebody is prepared to pay. Could somebody do an even better job at a lower price? Let's face it Alonso has always blown hot and cold and a lot of us would not have been that disappointed if he had gone at the end of last season. Unfortunately you don't get the same guarantee of consistency with Xabi as you do with the likes of Gerrard and that has to come into the mix. Xabi spreads the ball around with fantastic precision but just how many killer balls does he play? How many goals does he score? How many games have we lost when he doesn't play?
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Tue May 26, 2009 7:53 am

devaney wrote:Is it a bad thing these rumours. Alonso has had his best season so let's find out what somebody is prepared to pay. Could somebody do an even better job at a lower price? Let's face it Alonso has always blown hot and cold and a lot of us would not have been that disappointed if he had gone at the end of last season. Unfortunately you don't get the same guarantee of consistency with Xabi as you do with the likes of Gerrard and that has to come into the mix. Xabi spreads the ball around with fantastic precision but just how many killer balls does he play? How many goals does he score? How many games have we lost when he doesn't play?

some fair comments there, its only bad business if it weakens us
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Postby Alex G. » Tue May 26, 2009 10:56 am

I absolute adore our Xabi, he´s one of our best players and part of the central spine of the team, but if selling him means that we can get Carlos Tevez, man.... that is Big Words. It would be a great impact, definitively a jump of quality for the team.
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Postby bunglemark2 » Tue May 26, 2009 10:58 am

Where's Sabre when you need the word from the Spanish papers, eh ?
Come on, mate, don't be shy.....what's the word in the gutter press over there ?
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Postby NANNY RED » Tue May 26, 2009 11:02 am

bigmick wrote:Well if the problem is simply one of "clash of personality", then it simply doesn't have to be so that therefore the player must leave. Xabi was like Rafa's son when he signed, his eyes and ears on the pitch very much in the ascendency in terms of who the manager trusted, even over Gerrard, so what has gone wrong? Obviously there's the carry-on last Summer, where I don't think even Rafa's staunchest admirers would pretend that he necessarily behaved at his best, but what else?

My point is, whatever has happened behind the scenes is the same as what happens down the delivery depot, down the warehouse, in the factoiry etc every week. From there, people either p!ss off in their seperate directions (or at least one of them does), they tolerate each other and get on with it, they go out and hammered together (much my favoured solution) ot they go outside and kick the sh!t out of each other which tends to put things into perspective as well. It doesn't have to be the first option.

Now assuming that at his age even despite his bouncer goatee Rafa wouldn't fancy a bit of fisticuffs with a professional footballer, (albeit one as outwardly placid as Xabi), that still leaves two other options other than Xabi leaving.

Surely from a culture which so ancient, so civilised, so rich and steeped in a tradition of long casual dinners overlooking the scorched terrain, they must be able to find it in themselves to have a chat about it. Perhaps a bottle of Rioja or two, some Patatas Bravas or whatever the feck it's called (you know that tomatoey potato stuff that you always end up ordering three portions of in the Tapas bar on your annual visit). Perhaps some marinated olives, a bit of mmm mmm and nodding your head as the other bloke is apologising and the olive oil is dripping down your chin. By the time the seafood course comes round, everyone will be loosening up. Rafa's missus will be telling Xabi's old woman about his little habits, he'll be denying it and they'll be laughing. The kids will be fecking around climbing the apple trees, and when Rafa suggests he and Xabi take a walk and a talk, all will be good.

The manager can put an arm on Xabi's shoulder, not metaphorically but literally, and tell him he wrong last Summer but everyone makes mistakes. He can ask Xabi where else on planet Earth would he rather be next Summer, than still plying his trade at Liverpool. He could ask him what he thinks it'll like to parade the Premiership trophy around a lush Anfield, in front of 45000 adoring fans, the majority of whom are long past singing and are now in floods of tears.

We have the opportunity to change the course of football history he could tell him. To put the stick into the spokes (cheers Bob) of the Mancs and their attempts to dominate not just football matches, but football in general, and to emerge triumphant. The long suffering people of Liverpool could at last have their day in the sun, and he could help provide it. Whatever it is that's eating Xabi, nothing is bigger than this.

Don't leave us now fella, we've got a title to win and we need you (that's me saying that bit).

Cried me leg off reading that Mick. Im sick to my stomach at the mo, That fecking agent of his needs a smack. thats all im saying
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Postby Alex G. » Tue May 26, 2009 11:05 am

bunglemark2 wrote:Where's Sabre when you need the word from the Spanish papers, eh ?
Come on, mate, don't be shy.....what's the word in the gutter press over there ?

This is the only new today in the spanish papers about Alonso and madrid Saga.

http://www.as.com/futbol....Tes


More less it says that benitez has recognized he met with the Xabi´s agent Mr. Ibañez. But he refused to comment anything about the private conversation.

The conclusion of the paper is that Alonso is going to leave anfield.
But anyway this paper is c´rap. Gutter, sensationalist and pro-Madrid.
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Postby Bad Bob » Tue May 26, 2009 11:12 am

devaney wrote:Is it a bad thing these rumours. Alonso has had his best season so let's find out what somebody is prepared to pay. Could somebody do an even better job at a lower price? Let's face it Alonso has always blown hot and cold and a lot of us would not have been that disappointed if he had gone at the end of last season. Unfortunately you don't get the same guarantee of consistency with Xabi as you do with the likes of Gerrard and that has to come into the mix. Xabi spreads the ball around with fantastic precision but just how many killer balls does he play? How many goals does he score? How many games have we lost when he doesn't play?

Yes, I think it's bad.  I think we'll find out just how much he brings to the side if he goes...how much he sets the tempo and provides the platform for our attack while also helping shield the defense.  But, over and above that, I think the principle you've described of testing the waters and seeing what we can get for him while finding someone out there to do the job cheaper is even worse.  Why?  Because we came ever so close this season and the last thing we need is to go overboard with the squad tinkering.  Central midfield's sorted and has been for several years.  Let's leave it alone and focus on improving elsewhere in the squad rather than spending the summer shopping Alonso around and looking to haggle with O'Neill over Barry again (who says he'll be keeping a high price on Barry despite him entering the last year of his contract).  I must confess that some people have a very strange notion of how to achieve progress.  Selling one of our proven and established best players in hopes that we'll get some in to fill his boots is not the path to league success. :no
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Postby aCe' » Tue May 26, 2009 11:16 am

ManUtd play 4 forwards when playing the small sides in the league.. thats why they have the record they do against them.... we play Torres with Gerrard behind him....
In the champions league this works... draw a few games here and there and win a few and you could end up being champion.... not in the league though... Ferguson knows that and thats why he often switches to 3 men in the middle in the champs league...

Back to us though... If Alonso leaves, which is looking more likely by the minute, id want us to bring on a goalscorer to replace him.. either a striker to play alongside Torres or a winger who scores alot or an attacking midfielder who can go out and get you 10-15 goals in the league...

Last few months we've been scoring alot, that doesnt change -in my books- the fact that we seem to struggle to get wins against the smaller sides... sure some will argue that our recent displays and form and goalscoring record proves that our current formation with a more attacking approach will get us goals, but the problem is consistency... Its the hardest league in the world and for us or any other team to be able to go out there week in week out and score goals and win games, you need as many attacking options as you can get...

If Alonso leaves, its a game changer to me... the formation should no longer be our preferred option and we should switch back to playing 2 upfront and use the money to make sure of that rather than trying to bring in someone to cover for alonso's absence... Sure we'll probably bring in Barry (who i think would be a better partner to Gerrard in CM than Mascherano but thats a different discussion), but i still think that given what we have we'd be better off spending big on someone who can guarantee you goals on a regular basis...
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Postby mistyred » Tue May 26, 2009 11:21 am

If Alonso goes i hope to god Rafa doesn't by another midfielder, and goes all
out for one of those tricksters that can make things happen.

I would like to see us play with three upfront against the likes of Hull and Stoke and
really go for it next season, I'm sure if we had done this in the first place we would be champions
and Alonso would not even consider going anywhere.
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Postby Ola Mr Benitez » Tue May 26, 2009 11:22 am

Alonso is going.. apparently he is not happy and wants to go..

So what do we do..

For me the only way we can make this work is to buy Tevez and drop Gerrard back into the center of the park alongside Mascha.

We would still have Stevie bursting forward and scoring goals and have Tevez getting his share and working his bollox off.

Alonso has been one of my favourite players since he joined..  I didnt bash him when he had a couple of average seasons, mainly because an average Alonso is still top class, but if he doesnt want to stay for whatever reason we have to say thanks and despedida
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Postby dawson99 » Tue May 26, 2009 11:25 am

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Alonso is going.. apparently he is not happy and wants to go..

So what do we do..

For me the only way we can make this work is to buy Tevez and drop Gerrard back into the center of the park alongside Mascha.

We would still have Stevie bursting forward and scoring goals and have Tevez getting his share and working his bollox off.

Alonso has been one of my favourite players since he joined..  I didnt bash him when he had a couple of average seasons, mainly because an average Alonso is still top class, but if he doesnt want to stay for whatever reason we have to say thanks and despedida

Drop Gerrard back???
The only reason Keane got sold again so quick was because of the awesomeness of the Gerrard/Torres partnership.

Alonso is going nowhere
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