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[banana]

I just don't understand why so many Liverpool supporters have to fall in love with every player that plays regular 1st team football.

If everyone are so great why doesn't we win the league.

Like this year for example.

Gerrard, Torres, Masch, Carra, Skrtel, Kuyt, Alonso, Reina
Hyppia, Aurelio, Babel were the players we used most of this past season.

And for some reason fans thinks like this:

Everyone of those players are great and it is because of bit part players like Voronin, Risse etc that we fail to get within distance from Manure.

What kind of logic is that?

For example everyone could see that Sissoko, Cisse were limited and just not up to the standard required in this league. But they had their moments and still even now some think they should never have been sold. Beggars belief really when you think how they were at times.

And now Alonso. He is a player with phenomenal skill, but it is just so painfully obvious he is eaten alive in this fast paced league and he just can't handle it and hasn't done it for the past couple of seasons. And still people go on about his 1st season as some kind of "love at 1st sight thing"
I don't care if a player was great if he is really poor now.
It is now that counts and if people takes of their blindfolds
they will see that Alonso hasn't done jack for a very long time and hasn't been effective at all.

Kuyt is another example who scored  3 goals(pens) as a striker for something like 23 games before we just couldn't keep him there. Still people love him because he was just so great in the 1st game vs West Ham. Pathetic I say.
He is just lacking in so many areas it's horrifying and has been pisspoor 90% of the season and still we all love Kuyt.
And a whole season doesn't count as a blip on the radar or just poor patch of form. It is genuinly rubbish, nothing more, nothing less.

It's all Voronin and Risse's fault. Blame them...   

I don't hate certain players and I will wish them the best when they move on, but my priority is LFC and not some player who was good once.

I do feel sorry for you. I have to conclude either:

a) You are a young person, maybe 13 years or something so you have little clue about the game or little knowledge of LFC

b) You are older but "new" to the game so you have not developed an eye for the game or an "understanding"



As a footballer Alonso is among the 5 best midfielders I have seen at Liverpool since the early 1980's.

I rate him alongside Steve McMahon, Ray Houghton, a young Ronnie Whelan and Graeme Souness.

[JC_81]

I do feel sorry for you. I have to conclude either:

a) You are a young person, maybe 13 years or something so you have little clue about the game or little knowledge of LFC

Pot... kettle... black

[LFC2007]

Also as we all know money isn't exactly available in droves, so
keeping Masch, Gerrard, Lucas and Plessis with Guthrie as an option would be fine by me if we could use the money to buy
a striker(since we have only one since Crouch is not in favour)
or to maybe finally buy a winger och fullback which we havn't done for 3 years now...

I have always been a fan of Joaquin, and with Valencia's poor season we might get him at a reasonable price.
He has pace to burn and is very irrational with much skill in his locker.
Even if rafa has this obbsession with with the centre of the park, we have more than enoughif we are ever going to give Plessis a chance.
And I see no chance of Lucas leaving.

Guthrie isn't up to standard, he's mid table level at best. Lucas has shown enough to warrant further time to adapt, and Plessis is still very young, and can't as yet be considered a reliable back up.

They're not really players you can put in place of Mascherano or Gerrard and expect the same level of midfield dominance, far from it in fact. So, as far as selling Alonso and relying on Guthrie, Lucas and Plessis goes, it's not a viable option in my view.

Alonso, whilst his form has dropped, you can expect a degree of presence and control in the midfield which Lucas, Guthrie and Plessis can't match, and that's a necessity if we're going to win the title. You need at least three top quality CM's.

As for Joaquin, I don't doubt his ability, I do question his mentality and his desire though.

He's in a Valencia side that went spectacularly tits up, however poor Koeman was, certain players in that team didn't maintain their own standards, in terms of attitude, desire and dedication. That was obvious enough from watching them play, and IMO, he was one of those players.

To see a team with such talent go so close to getting relegated suggests something about the mentallity of the players, as they should've been nowhere near, and there's only so much you can blame Koeman for. Players have to assume responsibilty for their own performances too.

The attitude of a player is almost as important as their ability.

[Penguins]

I just don't understand why so many Liverpool supporters have to fall in love with every player that plays regular 1st team football.

If everyone are so great why doesn't we win the league.

Like this year for example.

Gerrard, Torres, Masch, Carra, Skrtel, Kuyt, Alonso, Reina
Hyppia, Aurelio, Babel were the players we used most of this past season.

And for some reason fans thinks like this:

Everyone of those players are great and it is because of bit part players like Voronin, Risse etc that we fail to get within distance from Manure.

What kind of logic is that?

For example everyone could see that Sissoko, Cisse were limited and just not up to the standard required in this league. But they had their moments and still even now some think they should never have been sold. Beggars belief really when you think how they were at times.

And now Alonso. He is a player with phenomenal skill, but it is just so painfully obvious he is eaten alive in this fast paced league and he just can't handle it and hasn't done it for the past couple of seasons. And still people go on about his 1st season as some kind of "love at 1st sight thing"
I don't care if a player was great if he is really poor now.
It is now that counts and if people takes of their blindfolds
they will see that Alonso hasn't done jack for a very long time and hasn't been effective at all.

Kuyt is another example who scored  3 goals(pens) as a striker for something like 23 games before we just couldn't keep him there. Still people love him because he was just so great in the 1st game vs West Ham. Pathetic I say.
He is just lacking in so many areas it's horrifying and has been pisspoor 90% of the season and still we all love Kuyt.
And a whole season doesn't count as a blip on the radar or just poor patch of form. It is genuinly rubbish, nothing more, nothing less.

It's all Voronin and Risse's fault. Blame them...   

I don't hate certain players and I will wish them the best when they move on, but my priority is LFC and not some player who was good once.

I do feel sorry for you. I have to conclude either:

a) You are a young person, maybe 13 years or something so you have little clue about the game or little knowledge of LFC

b) You are older but "new" to the game so you have not developed an eye for the game or an "understanding"



As a footballer Alonso is among the 5 best midfielders I have seen at Liverpool since the early 1980's.

I rate him alongside Steve McMahon, Ray Houghton, a young Ronnie Whelan and Graeme Souness.

So in what way is Alonso top 5 in the world?

His stats are abysmal the past few years, and unless
you have been blind watching Alonso rarely sprays the ball around anymore and do anything effective with the ball.

Both stats and his poor overall showings on the field shows that.

And I can only put you in one category:

Liverpool supporter who has  to fall in love with every player that plays regular 1st team football.
And how can 2 full seasons be called off form???
How long is that lie gonna hold up?
It's time to call a spade a spade.

And I'd like to see more of Lucas and Plessis as they should be able to develop and get more games next season.
I myself think 4 CM are more than enough for a season
and Lucas and Plessis must get more 1st team football
to reach their potential.

I guess we have to agree to disagree in Joaquin LFC2007.
But he was just an example.
When was the last time we had a top class winger?
We will never win without one.
And Kuyt isn't the answer, even if everyone is trying to force that belief onto themselves.
But please slate me all you want for saying certain players
have been poor this season.
I want LFC to win, and care little for sentimental
or feel sorry for players who can't perform.

If there is a need to sell to finally get someone good on the wings for a change, Alonso is one of the few players who might fetch a nice sum.

[Effes]

I agree with penguins - IF we need to sell to buy quality, then £15M should be snatched up.

I'd rather keep him - but it looks like we cant afford that luxury, which is the big worry.

[Dundalk]

Juventus have confirmed an interest in signing Liverpool midfielder Xabi Alonso.


The Spain international has been strongly linked with a move to the Italian giants since the end of the Premier League season.

Reports earlier this week claimed that the two clubs had been holding talks, with Liverpool rumoured to be demanding £14million for the cultured midfielder.

Alonso recently told skysports.com that he wants to stay at Anfield after he was also linked with a return to Spain with Real Madrid.

But Juve's sporting director Alessio Secco has revealed that the club are keen to sign the 26-year-old after Mathieu Flamini joined Milan.

Juve are also confident that Alonso will prove to be a better option than Flamini, who has chosen to quit Arsenal for Milan on a free transfer.

Secco told Tuttusport: "Xabi is better than Flamini.

"He's (Flamini) a good player, but with the salary he wanted he would have unbalanced our situation.

"The Spaniard, instead, has characteristics that are closer to what we want."

[flamingpoe]

i noticed this the other day (probs rubbish but why not!)
Getafe confirm offers for Spurs, Liverpool target Cata
tribalfootball.com - April 01, 2008

Getafe president Angel Torres has confirmed offers have arrived for defender Cata Diaz.
Tottenham and Liverpool have been linked with Cata and Torres said: "For Cata Diaz there are offers."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzc-UHQ5be8

[Toffeehater]

Thats what i cant get my head around Saint Why sell a quality midfielder like Xabi just to bring in Barry who imo is not better,

We must be absolutly brassic to even contemplate thinking about selling him. Its clear in his interviews he doesnt wanna leave. The lad loves it here and is being pushed into a corner.

I bet you this sell Xabi lark is coming from them two bas.tards

Whose next ,its a disgrace as far as im concerned we should be strengthning the team with quality not selling it.

Others are gonna be buying vases from Harrods were gonna end up buying six glasses for a pound at the hock shop

Simply cos Gareth barrry may not be better then a in form alonso , but he has been one of the most consistent player for the last 3 season for villa , he has knocked hargreaves and lampard outta the england sqaud and also we don't know if alonso would regain his form and his valuation would fall even further then this season . It's been dissapointing watching alonso for the last 3 seasons and TBH , i don't think he will ever regain his form back , the pace of the premier has picked up and it will harder for him to have his time and pick his passes . As for the yanks , we can't confirm or deny that this sale is being asked to be made by them

[Toffeehater]

Unsuspecting newkitter meets Lando 

Lando is such a delight so polite and witty at all times....NOT 

Aren't you dead yet?

I'd have thought you'd have jumped off some miserable b*stard bridge over some miserable b*stard river by now.

You f*cking lardy-da poof wrist-slitting wankbandit.

   

[Toffeehater]

i noticed this the other day (probs rubbish but why not!)
Getafe confirm offers for Spurs, Liverpool target Cata
tribalfootball.com - April 01, 2008

Getafe president Angel Torres has confirmed offers have arrived for defender Cata Diaz.
Tottenham and Liverpool have been linked with Cata and Torres said: "For Cata Diaz there are offers."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzc-UHQ5be8

If its true , i'm gonna be steamed why do we need more defenders , we need wingers and a good striker apart from torres

[SundanceKid]

I love Xabi for what he's done for the club, but he's become useless. He's got great short passing, but unfortunately they're very rarely attacking passes.

[Sabre]

So you loved him but then he was below par, and now he's forgotten playing football and is useless.

Glod Bless America.

[Ciggy]

I love Xabi for what he's done for the club, but he's become useless.

[Kash_Mountain]

I love Xabi for what he's done for the club, but he's become useless. He's got great short passing, but unfortunately they're very rarely attacking passes.

What you on about.  All players go through bad patches.  This is Xabi's bad patch. Remember class is permanent.  Xabi will be back for us next season.

[Effes]

Surely if we can get £14M for Xabi and use all the fee to then buy a top quality winger/striker -
then it makes sense to sell?

We more quality up front - there is no point holding on to Xabi if it means we can't then strengthen
up front.