Liverpool FC Forum

[The Manhattan Project]

Whether we win or not tomorrow, we need West Lamb to beat Everscum today.

[redtrader74]

And to finish up LFC2007 until you express an opinion of your own, I will no longer read your posts, as right now they're a waste of time and energy reading them because I know they have nothing constructive to say.

An opinion of my own?



I've made many a 'constructive' post in response to the shit you regularly post, unfortunately no matter how thorough I may be, you come back with the same ridiculous and discredited arguments (a good example above).

In conclusion, you're an idiot. 

Oi thats my opinion you've just nicked, get your own. 

[maypaxvobiscum]

And to finish up LFC2007 until you express an opinion of your own, I will no longer read your posts, as right now they're a waste of time and energy reading them because I know they have nothing constructive to say.

An opinion of my own?



I've made many a 'constructive' post in response to the shit you regularly post, unfortunately no matter how thorough I may be, you come back with the same ridiculous and discredited arguments (a good example above).

In conclusion, you're an idiot. 

gbjh, ur living under a stone or some old aged era honestly. thank liverpool wasnt owned by someone with ur mindset.


actually, u could give parry a run for his money

[Owzat]

United spent millions upon millions during the 70s and 80s as well, but didn't win the league. We don't need as much money as you lot like to think.

The 70s and 80s was adifferent era. In this era, witht he big money that teams liek Chelsea and United have spent, we have to spend as well if we wish to keep up.

Unless you are Arsene Wenger and have an eye for young talent second to known

That's putting it mildly. The 70s and 80s was totally different football, different mindset and one player these days can cost as much as an ENTIRE TEAM back then.

And the points tallies are much higher.

Record Points Totals To Win The League (38 games)*

*based on 3 points for a win, ordered by GD where points are the same

01. 95 Chelsea 2004/05
02. 91 Man Utd 1999/00
03. 91 Chelsea 2005/06
04. 90 Arsenal 2003/04
05. 89 Man Utd 2006/07
06. 87 Arsenal 2001/02
07. 83 Arsenal 1990/91
08. 83 Man Utd 2002/03
09. 82 Man Utd 1995/96
10. 80 Man Utd 2000/01

Notice there's a single league title not won during the Premiership era and that's not even top five. And every season since and including the manc fluke treble season is in that top ten - in fairness the majority of 38 game seasons have been Premiership seasons

But if you convert 42 game seasons to what points would have been scored in 38 games pro rata, and again three points for a win :-

01. 89 Liverpool 1978/79
02. 88 Tottenham 1960/61
03. 86 Everton 1969/70
04. 85 Arsenal 1930/31
05. 85 Leeds Utd 1968/69
06. 85 Arsenal 1970/71
07. 83 Man Utd 1956/57
08. 83 Wolves 1957/58
09. 83 Man Utd 1993/94
10. 81 Everton 1984/85

So our 1978/79 season would have finished 5th on pro rata GD in the 38 game table. Considering there have been 65 seasons with 42 games and only 25 with 38 games, the modern era is showing to be a much tougher era.

Preston won the very first league in 1888/89 with 58 points from 22 games, convert that to 38 games and you would have the first and only team ever with 100 points. Five of those original 12 teams are in the current Premiership with Derby and Bolton facing the real prospect of relegation. Stoke and WBA are in with a chance of promotion from the original league members, outside shot for Wolves

[Yari7]

Well Benitez may be now Wenger but he managed to find Agger for 5 million, Arbeloa for around 2 million I think and Lucas for five million. So there's talent there for little money. Why do we need 30 million on someone when we can find someone better for less than 10 million?

And the 70s and 80s were different eras....you mean talent isn't there anymore because you can only win things with money nowadays. Ah right. No point in youngsters playing anymore then because obviously talent doesn't win you anything.

I am not sayign that talent isnn't htere, btu money also need to be there.

You don't find players like Fernnando Torres for £5 million unless you devlop them from a young age. Or a Javier Mascherano for £2 million.

It neeeds to be balanced. In key areas, we need the quality, so we have to spend the money. But in other areas, there may be bargains about.

[Yari7]

Of course football is a completely different game now than it was in eras gone by ffs. In those days you could come up from division 2 and win the league straight away in your first season because the playing field was more level. Now, put yourself in Rafa's shoes.

You have to contend with billionaire owners, clubs which have much, much more money than you, with managers that have been with the same club doing the rebuilding job that you have been doing for a fraction of the time with a board who has already tried to replace you just because you called them up on a lie they made.

It's reasonable to assume that, given the fact that we have seen good progress every year so far while winning the biggest competition in club football, given 10 years Rafa will have done more for us than Wenger and in 20 years done more than Ferguson.

However, some people in this day and age want instant success, which can only be done if you have an Abramovic due to the fact that 3 clubs are streets ahead of you on monetary terms and squad development.

Ambrovich was the owner of Chelsea in 03/04 but they didn't win the league. Ambrovich is the owner of Chelsea this season, yet again don't look as if they'll win the league. Money eh QPR are owned by a man richer than Ambrovich, have been the biggest spenders outside of the prem this year, yet are still some way off making a playoff place nevermind an automatic promotion. Money eh

Bristol City were promoted from League 1 last year and find themselves second in the championship this year. Which proves that it is possible to do well after promotions. This isn't a one off either as Yeovil managed consecutive promotions under Gary Johnson. Carlise also managed it under Martin Allen.

I don't class as 9 points behind and the winners of the FA Cup to 21 points behind and champions league finalists as progress. Also up until this current run of seven straight wins, we were going backwards. So I don't think we have progressed to the standard some believe.

Here we go again with time. Ramos has been managing Spurs for less time than Coppell at Reading, but Spurs are above Reading aren't they? The same goes for Steve Bruce at Wigan. They're also above Reading despite having a manager in charge for a shorter period of time. But I forgot time only excuses Benitez doesn't it? Silly me.

Four years isn't long enough for Benitez? OK, so we give him the ten years you suggested. Won't Fergie (who doesn't look like he'll ever retire) and Wenger (who could still easily be at Arsenal) have been in charge longer so what difference will it make then? United will still be outspending us in 10 years as they are now, so what difference will it make? So if we can't win the league because teams outspend us or have managers who've been in charge of their clubs for longer than Benitez, we'll never win the league.

And to finish up LFC2007 until you express an opinion of your own, I will no longer read your posts, as right now they're a waste of time and energy reading them because I know they have nothing constructive to say.

Abrmovich weas the owner half way through the 03-04 season. However, in every full season Abrmovich has been here, Chelsea have challenged for the title, and won it twice.

Chelsea have also made 2 Champions League semi Finals and won the League cup twice and the FA Cup.

Chelsea are one of the top 2 clubs in England.

The money did that overnight. If you want overnight success, you need to spend the money. However, if you want success, with little money spent, youneed 4-5 years of building a squad from the foundation.

[Yari7]

Last season, we difinaly went backwards in the league.

We are further away from winning the league this year then we were 2 years ago. That is unless we win all our remaining games or finish within 9 points of the league leaders.

Benitez took a step back last season, I must admit. Instead of building on the 80+ point season in 05-06, he went back to 68 points. We need to get a couple of 80+ point seasons underneath our belt.

I personally don't think this team we have at the moment is any better at challenging for the league then the team we had in 05-06. Better individual players, but as a team, not as consistent.

I hope we win our remaining games and I am proven wrong.

[mkingdom]

To get back on topic....will we win the league this year?  Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely.

The most we can get is 83 points (winning the last 8 games).

Utd have 70 now, so they have to only take 13 points out of 24..presuming they keep their better GD....

OK, so we beat them tomorrow, and then they need 13 out of 21

They have to play

Liverpool  H
Villa        H
Boro        A
Arsenal    H
Blackburn  A
Chelsea    A
West Ham  H
Wigan      A

Realistically, the teams that have a decent chance of beating them are us, Arsenal and Chelsea...so they HAVE to lose those three games, and drop points elsewhere.

Of course this doesn't take into account us losing again this season, or one of Arsenal or Chelsea winning it either

 

So we have "possibilities"...but small ones.      

[chrisrafman]

Title? Possiblility? Sorry I ever started this thread, should have known better. 200-1 now should be 1000-1

[holylamb2006]

Title? Possiblility? Sorry I ever started this thread, should have known better. 200-1 now should be 1000-1

Only 200-1

[maypaxvobiscum]

the way liverpool have been the past few years, grabbing the 4th spot is like the holy grail now. such low expectations. tsk. im sad.

[Toffeehater]

This thread should be locked now as clearly , today our titles hopes have been given its final nail in the coffin

[tubby]

8 points behind. 8 games left. We are in unbelivable form with every chance of taking maximum points at Emirates and Old Trafford. Can a miracle happen? Me thinks maybe. You?

[hello_red]

8 points behind. 8 games left. We are in unbelivable form with every chance of taking maximum points at Emirates and Old Trafford. Can a miracle happen? Me thinks maybe. You?

Laughing at optimism?

Go youself scum!

Gutted about today like, had every faith that we would take atleast a point. To many players didnt perform, what was Mascha thinking? Gerrard was no where to be seen, Carra was awful. Kuyt played well tracking back and attacking.
We bottle it at United everytime, its annoying we need to knock that out of our sytem quick next game is Everton!!!

[stmichael]

rafa needs a sh#tload of cash to win the league. thats the top and bottom of it.

today, united had £60m of talent on the bench to bring on (when you consider that tevez would cost £25m on top of hargreaves £18m and nani £18m).

we had benayoun, riise and crouch to come on. that's the difference.