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[Lando_Griffin]

We'll see, won't we?

[tel]

Maybe he took off Gerrard because Gerrard, being an anti-Toffee run-over-hot-coals-for-Liverpool player, may have got a little carried away at a critical point where cooler heads may have been needed?

Maybe.

Was he playing well? Did he change the game for us?

He is the only manager in the world that would have subbed Gerrard that day.

Because he's lost it Big time

You really are a prat, aren't you?

Ever considered the possibility that what you've just said there PROVES Rafa is better than any other coach in the World, as he has the intelligence and bottle to make the big decisions?

Dear oh dear.

Too bad he didnt sub Gerrard in Instanbul because he was leaving loads of space in the first half which enabled Kaka to run riot. 

Best coach in the world that cant keep a title challenge running past xmas FFS 4 years in a row.

Every cup that Rafa has won was won single handedly off Steven Gerrard's boot, not Rafa's managerial superiority.

CL final and FA Cup final.

Now you're showing your stupidity.

Steven Gerrard, eh? I could have sworn Smicer and Alonso scored in Istanbul, too. And that we had to win on penalties. Did Gerrard take them all, then? Was he actually using a remote-control to aim the kicks?

Because I bet Riise was f*cking fuming at him, making him hit a pansy shot like that!

And the FA Cup - do you mean the game where Reina (a Benitez signing) made 3 saves in the penalty shootout? Was Gerrard at it again with that remote? Didn't Cisse also score for us that day?

It's sometimes better to be quiet when the alternative is to talk b*llocks.

No. Now you're showing how obsessive you are about the topic.

If you dont think that the one big game player we have that hauls an average team from its run of the mill ways in big games when all is lost, and changes the game, and brings homw the cup, and that its all down to rafa's tactics, you are wasting your time.

Rafa gets a lot of credit for getting us to the final with a very average squad, but Gerrard won that game off his own boot. Just like he did the FA cup. There is not a single tactic rafa made in those games that changed the outcomes. It was one lad with inspiration, will to win, skill and passion. The same passion he got pulled off for having against the blue scum.

Rafa has lot the plot this season. End of

F*ck off you window-licking punk.

How anyone in their right mind can truly believe that Gerrard was the sole reason we won in Istanbul is beyond all sanity.

It's like arguing with a corpse.

Get a clue, then come back to me, ok darling?

It riles me no end when people come on here and wont give Gerrard his due.

That was one of the best 2nd half performances I have ever seen in football, and I go back as far as when Bob Paisley managed this club.

Which probably explains why you're such a rafa man. You werent born when we had great coaches winning leagues AND cups.

How many seasons did it take Kenny Dalglish to win the DOUBLE?

Kenny Dalglish with the present squad would have us challenging from his first day

So why did Kenny get fired from Newcastle, then?

Why has he not bothered taking another managerial job?

Kenny Dalglish had a ready-made team of champions when he started, numbnuts.

If these are the comparisons you wish to draw, we'll be here all night.

Partly true. He inherited a great team but took them to even greater heights. That's what we old timers mean when we say the Liverpool way.

The season Dalglish took over he lost his star forward Ian Rush to Juventus. The players he brought in to replace Rushy ended up becoming Liverpool legends. John Barnes, Aldridge and Beardsley.

He took the team on the longest unbeaten run ever seen in the league.

He was sacked from Newcastle due to politics. No need to talk the man down Lando. He is a living legend for the club.

[REDTILLDEAD]

I can see another 5 year plan coming on here....how long do we have to give Rafa?......until the scum overtake us in terms of league titles?......and it wont be long before they do.....if Rafa has anything to do with it!.

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So why did Kenny get fired from Newcastle, then?

Why has he not bothered taking another managerial job?

Kenny Dalglish had a ready-made team of champions when he started, numbnuts.

If these are the comparisons you wish to draw, we'll be here all night.

Maybe because he spoke out about having to sell all their best players and replace them with free signings?

Maybe because he was p!ssed off at they way he had been treated?

He had a ready made team, and did the double, then he rebuilt the team in two years and won the league again.

Don't start on Dalglish mate, he never finished less than second in his years as a manager with us.

league champions 85/6  87/8  89/90
Runners up    86/7 88/89

FA CUP 85/6 88/9
Runnners up 86/7

He did the double , and only just failed to win iit again on two more occasions. Losing on goal difference to Arsenal , and Wimbledon in the FA CUP FINAL.

He then won the League with Blackburn (only the second manager ever to do it with 2 clubs.

Then when he went to Newcastle he finished second in his first season, and got them to the FA CUP final in his second.

Sacked after 2 games in his third season

[tel]

We'll see, won't we?

Ay. Hopefully we'll walk away with the CL in May, he'll get another year and we'll all be happy with you reminding us that he was good enough to do the business.

Or they've already tapped up Parry's pre Rafa first choice Mourinho and we have to learn to love the beast.

[Lando_Griffin]

So why did Kenny get fired from Newcastle, then?

Why has he not bothered taking another managerial job?

Kenny Dalglish had a ready-made team of champions when he started, numbnuts.

If these are the comparisons you wish to draw, we'll be here all night.

Maybe because he spoke out about having to sell all their best players and replace them with free signings?

Maybe because he was p!ssed off at they way he had been treated?

He had a ready made team, and did the double, then he rebuilt the team in two years and won the league again.

Don't start on Dalglish mate, he never finished less than second in his years as a manager with us.

league champions 85/6  87/8  89/90
Runners up    86/7 88/89

FA CUP 85/6 88/9
Runnners up 86/7

He did the double , and only just failed to win iit again on two more occasions. Losing on goal difference to Arsenal , and Wimbledon in the FA CUP FINAL.

He then won the League with Blackburn (only the second manager ever to do it with 2 clubs.

Then when he went to Newcastle he finished second in his first season, and got them to the FA CUP final in his second.

Sacked after 2 games in his third season

I'm not starting on him at all.

Merely pointing out that his situation was a World away from Rafa's.

There was no Manc domination back then.

There was no Sh*tski.

[The_Rock]

A portion of the blame has to be aimed at Moores and Parry (Moore's thinking about more cash for himself rather then thinking about what's best for Liverpool FC).

Can't believe people wanna blame moores when he has had to fund so many transfers out of his own pocket for this club along the years.....

He funded kuyt's transfer from his pocket FFS.....

Imagine how must he be feeling for wasting 9 million on him.... 

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There was no Manc domination back then.

No because WE WERE DOMINANT then mate

[Lando_Griffin]

There was no Manc domination back then.

No because WE WERE DOMINENT then mate

And had been for over a decade when Dalglish took over.

Surely you can see this?

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There was no Manc domination back then.

No because WE WERE DOMINENT then mate

And had been for over a decade when Dalglish took over.

Surely you can see this?

Same thing could be said when Souness took over. Didn't stop him from making a pigs ear of it did it.

I don't mind you defending Rafa, but not at the expense of someone who did a fantastic job for us,and got us playing some of the best football I have ever seen.

I know you maybe missed out on a lot of his years mate but its like comparing chalk and cheese with the drivel we are watching at the moment, and that has nothing to do with the mancs dominating.

[LFC2007]

There was no Manc domination back then.

No because WE WERE DOMINENT then mate

And had been for over a decade when Dalglish took over.

Surely you can see this?

Same thing could be said when Souness took over. Didn't stop him from making a pigs ear of it did it.

Souness was and is a shit manager.

[account deleted by request]

There was no Manc domination back then.

No because WE WERE DOMINENT then mate

And had been for over a decade when Dalglish took over.

Surely you can see this?

Same thing could be said when Souness took over. Didn't stop him from making a pigs ear of it did it.

Souness was and is a shit manager.

Exactly, but we still managed to win a cup. Just goes to show to win the English League you have to be good, to win a cup any cr@p manager can do that 

[tel]

There was no Manc domination back then.

No because WE WERE DOMINENT then mate

And had been for over a decade when Dalglish took over.

Surely you can see this?

Same thing could be said when Souness took over. Didn't stop him from making a pigs ear of it did it.

Souness was and is a shit manager.

Exactly, but we still managed to win a cup. Just goes to show to win the English League you have to be good, to win a cup any cr@p manager can do that 

Even Wimbledon ar sed an FA Cup against us.

Can anyone even remember their manager's name?

[LFC2007]

There was no Manc domination back then.

No because WE WERE DOMINENT then mate

And had been for over a decade when Dalglish took over.

Surely you can see this?

Same thing could be said when Souness took over. Didn't stop him from making a pigs ear of it did it.

Souness was and is a shit manager.

Exactly, but we still managed to win a cup. Just goes to show to win the English League you have to be good, to win a cup any cr@p manager can do that 

That wasn't the point, the point was; the situation Souness inherited was one in which we'd dominated for the previous decade. When Rafa took over, the dynamics of the league were entirely different, and more difficult, and we hadn't been dominating for years. Not to mention that he's had no prior experience of English football.

Souness took over, we went from 1st and 2nd in the two previous seasons to 6th, 6th, 8th.

Rafa's a significantly better manager than Souness.

There are many factors that make the circumstances which Rafa inherited at the club far more difficult than what Souness or even Evans inherited 10-15 years ago. They've been explained before so I shouldn't need to go into them again.

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There was no Manc domination back then.

No because WE WERE DOMINENT then mate

And had been for over a decade when Dalglish took over.

Surely you can see this?

Same thing could be said when Souness took over. Didn't stop him from making a pigs ear of it did it.

Souness was and is a shit manager.

Exactly, but we still managed to win a cup. Just goes to show to win the English League you have to be good, to win a cup any cr@p manager can do that 

That wasn't the point, the point was; the situation Souness inherited was one in which we'd dominated for the previous decade. When Rafa took over, the dynamics of the league were entirely different, and more difficult, and we hadn't been dominating for years. Not to mention that he's had no prior experience of English football.

Souness took over, we went from 1st and 2nd in the two previous seasons to 6th, 6th, 8th.

Rafa's a significantly better manager than Souness.

There are many factors that make the circumstances which Rafa inherited at the club far more difficult than what Souness or even Evans inherited 10-15 years ago. They've been explained before so I shouldn't need to go into them again.

And my point was it doesn't matter how dominant the team had been, a cr@p manager can still make a mess of it. Dalglish was a good manager and has the record to prove it.

Rafa has still to prove that in the premiership, just as Dalglish never proved it in Europe.

Evans wasn't a bad manager and we certainly played more attractive football under him than we have under Rafa.(admittedly less successful)But then again he took over in much more difficult circumstances.

Rafa took over a side that had finished 4th the previous season and had won a glorious treble only a few seasons before, and it was mainly that team that won the CL.

Evans took over a team that was 6th off the bottom.