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[115-1073096938]

Firstly i'd just like to say about Didi Hamanns performance today.

Brilliant but masses of room for improvement.

The amount of times he just strolls around when the ball goes out of play is f##king enfuriating. Its not just him but he's probably the worst culprit.

It really annoys me that Liverpool take so long to take every corner, free kick, throw in etc to get the ball back into play.

I play alot of sunday league and 6 a side football and am also a qualified coach and ALOT of good chances can be created by catching teams off guard in these situations at all levels of the game. The only players in the side who seem willing to do things quickly are Murphy and Owen.

Today there was numourous occasions where we took to long, which resulted in the only option being the flick on down the line which we lost alot of possession with today.

I honestly think if we just had a bit more urgency at times we'd be a far better team.

Sometimes its correct to do this, I.E. the last 10 minutes of the game when we are only 1-0 up. Hamann calms the game right down with this approach but during the first half and early in the second half i feel this is one area we need to improve on.

Another thing that pisses me off is Riise and to a lesser extent Hyypia's tendancy to mindlessly hoof. I don't mind long balls, i don't mind clearences and i don't mind direct passing, what i can't stand is players getting the ball under no pressure and putting it out for a goal kick, out for a throw or kicking it straight into the opposing goalkeepers arms.

And finally the way Diouf and Kewell try to take corners, if your gonna take all day about it leave the ball to f##king Murphy, Harry, El-Hadji... neither of you can take good consitent set pieces.... get over it.

Glad i got that off my chest

[Wendi Richter]

Agree on most of that. But on Hamann we have to remember he is running the entire midfield at the moment with only the occasional flash in from Kewell and Diouf.  Murphy imo hasnt been much help to him. I think its fair he paces himself to make sure he can see out the whole match.

He has also been covering more ground than he is used to as he has been pushing forward more in the absence of SG and then having to push back and make sure he still covers his a#se. I have sympathy for him and I have actually enjoyed his more attacking flair in the past few matches and thinks it makes us a better side when he does this.

[Gareth G]

Yeah me too, i think Biscan was the worst culprate though, he was dreadfull yesturday and could have cost us the three point's had it not been for Jones to save him.

I do believe Hamann does pace himself and i like him playing like that. I think the other midfielder's need to speed up a bit though and let Hamann play as normal. I am however more worried about Liverpool's passing these day's, they never seem to be able to pass and keep possession now and it fustrate's me. Liverpool used to knock the ball aroud as if the other team wasn't there, what's happened to that?

[supersub]

Anyone who criticises Dietmar Hamann's performance yesterday couldn't have been their because it was awesome.He covered every blade of grass,it was fantastic.
       Murphy was the worst offender for giving the ball away.Sami H and J A Riise were responsible for too many lofted,aimless high balls.Harry Kewel had another very quiet afternoon but maybe so much is expected of him that you want more from the lad.Biscan gives you 1 heart in your mouth moment and he gets another slating.By the way I think Biscan is not the player we hoped he would be either.

[BOODIDDY]

Supersub, he isn't the player we hoped for, he's far worse! Sami and Riise have become poorer players in the last 2 years. We need a left back and 2 Centre halves. Henchoz must be kicking himself when he sees himself at right back and Biscuit and centre half. Murphy just doesn't have the ability that Gh beleives he has, far too many balls given away. We do expect too much of Harry, but he'll come good cos' he's class.

Looking forward to seeing Diouf f##k off back to Africa. Hope he goes AWOL and never ever comes back (unless its as Jay-Jay)

BISCAN IS f##king cr#p IVE SEEN BETTER ON PARK PITCHES [QUOTE[quote]

[115-1073096938]

Ok because i've spotted a major flaw in Liverpools team and Hamann's game that means i wasn't at the game?

Haha whatever mate.

Next match your at... watch and tell me they don't slow the game down and let the other team settle every time it goes out.

Its better to catch teams unaware and unorganised but Liverpool EVERYTIME, let the other team get their heads together and it costs us alot of possession.

As for Murphy costing us possession at least its because he's trying to create more often than not. He's a good player, get off his back.

I'd take Murphy over Diouf any day of the week.

[supersub]

You,being the qualified coach,have spotted a major flaw in Liverpool's team.Then I suggest you inform Gerard Houllier before it costs him his job and since when I've I been on Murphy's back;I merely pointed out that he gave the ball the most yesterday.On one hand you criticise the team for giving away possession and the other hand you claim to give away the possession is because a certain player is trying to create more.Bloody hell we know's picture hangs on your wall.

[HOMELEIGHKOP]

um did we score yesterday did any one score 4 us yesterday from lfc o no thats wright it was an own goal so dont pick on one player this is a team effort and that was an effort of no hopers. 3 points is 3 points i want class at anfield us to score we were lucky come on lads we were???

[115-1073096938]

The is a difference in losing possession through trying something positive and through being careless and to slow in terms of thinking.

Like i said, watch the matches and tell me Liverpool don't take to long. Yesterday there were about 8 or 9 occassions were this happened.

One in the first half that really p#ssed me off.... Riise gets the ball for the throw, Murphy is offering and screaming for the early pass, Riise farts around, then finally passes to murphy who turned a man and set Hamann up for a shot which was saved. Firstly though the man wasn't there when Murphy first wanted the ball, Riise's antics allowed the player to get back into some sort of position. Now i dunno about you... but i've always thought its better to pass to an unmarked man than a marked one. Then again what would i know?

[leothelion]

yawn yawn ywn

[JBG]

Stu, in one breath you tell us all to shut the f##k up when we criticise Gerrard Houllier, then in another you give grief to the most senior member here - Supersub - becuase he happened to support one of Houllier's favourite players!

But then again, you are the tactical genius of the pub pitch!

By the way, just to be a fly in your ointment, I can tell you one infamous case of Liverpool scoring after taking a very fast throw in.....

Birmingham at home a month or two ago.

Hamman (yes, the guy you criticised for being slow on throw ins), took a quick throw which lead to Liverpool scoring.

Birmingham were furious because Hamman's leg was about three yards over the line and onto the pitch!!!

Stu, I thought the Queen minted you a f##king medal for being at all the Pool games. How did you miss that!!!

[115-1073096938]

f##king wow!!! ONCE!!!

go to the game, watch him. He never offers the thrower a quick option and when he does the thrower never gives him it. Its a major flaw in Liverpools game. End of.

[supersub]

Taking throw-ins is definitey a big problem but it's not because we're slow it''s because the player taking it just throws it back into play like a bloody school kid.Doing it quickly wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.I fail to see why you single out Hamann when every player is allowed to receive the ball from a throw-in.The same lazy approach can be afforded our corners but we were always a lazy shower at corners dating back years.Once again it was as though we just want to kick the ball back into play without any kind of plan.You would think the coaching staff would pick up on these so called flaws and do something about it.

[115-1073096938]

Doing it quickly often makes a difference. Like i pointed out the other day the one that really p#ssed me off was the first half when Riise took all day to pass to Murphy who was unmarked and screaming for the early pass, Riise messed about, waited till someone marked Murphy then passed him the ball, Murphy's only option was then to poke it towards Hamann where as if he'd recieved the ball earlier he'd have had time to weigh up his options.

And like i said its not Just Hamann, often its the taker aswell, but Hamann NEVER offers an early short option when he is often the closest and unmarked.

[JBG]

I think the throw in problem is another Houllier ploy of "safety first".

By taking time out when we get a throw Liverpool re-organise themselves rather than try to catch the opposition out.