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[112-1077774096]

a good read in the echo about the Kops history, especially for the youngsters.

a bit of history

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100new....ge.html

[Sabre]

Good read that, Peewee, even for not that youngsters like me. Thanks for that.

I knew a few of the details but not most of them. Very interesting indeed. Can any of you explain me this a bit? I'm not sure if I grasp what it implies.

Shankly's influence in all this was crucial. A true Socialist, he wasthe ultimate believer in the concept a football club had a responsibility to perform a service not to the shareholders but to the ordinary man in the street who worshipped at its gates.

Others in the game recognised this, including that wise old Shankly contemporary the late Joe Mercer.

I think that paragraph means that Shankly understood that football was just more than a sport but it had to somehow educate and help the popular crowd, but I always thought football was the sport of humble people where as Rugby the one of rich people from the very beginning. Does that paragraph mean that until that point the club weren't that "humple people aimed"? I'm not sure if I understood that point well.

Thank you.

[112-1077774096]

its not really talking about education mate, its more saying that the club is not strictly a business but its purpose is to entertain the supporters. i am sure you realise that without supporters then there would be no football club (well not a club of this stature anyway).

shankly always had a reputation as a 'people person', he knew what the fans wanted and on occassion would stand on the kop during games, he was aware how important the supporters are to the club and how important the club is to the supporters.

the club has always had a working class following,  i think the meaning of the word humble here is aimed at people who dont have much and live a humble existence, the working class, but shankly was the first manager i believe who identified with the supporters so thats were the link between club and supporters really started in ernest i think.

i remember shankly as a manager as i was born in 1967, in fact he was still manager when i went to my first game in 1973, still to young really to realise the importance of the man at that stage, but looking back i think he was the first manager who bonded.

i may be wrong with this, maybe woof or red baron know better than me about the earlier managers and their relationships

[Leonmc0708]

At the risk of turning this thread into a Shakly love in, try the new book written by his grandaughter for an insight into the workings of the man. I have not had the pleasure yet, but its a must read and I ordered it today.

I think it was Tommy Smith who remarked one time (I am not quoting by the way) "He (Shankly) left you under no uncertain terms fully aware of the fact that he felt the fans where the most important part of the football club and not the players."

Stories of him inviting kids into his home to watch the geam, passing match tickets out to people in his street and turing up at weddings, birthdays and baptisms are legendary.

[Leonmc0708]

Back on topic, its a flag day on Saturday, so I'll be on the Kop trying to re-live some of the wonderful memories I have of it by singing my heart out.

[112-1077774096]

leonn remember the old kop with the p1ss waterfall down the steps, happy days   

and the boys pen? remember when someone would collapse ans get passed down over peoples heads and thrown over the front for the st johns ambulance to look after. there was a story about a fat bloke getting passed down, when the threw him over the front he stood up, bought some food and climbed back in. i dont really remember people selling food pitchside so this may be a myth

[red37]

try the new book written by his grandaughter for an insight into the workings of the man. I have not had the pleasure yet, but its a must read and I ordered it today.

cheers for the link leon.  ive pre-ordered mine.

here's another link to amazon.co.uk. delivered under £16. from aug 31st.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1905266138

[supersub]

galatasaray is a helluva place for gangbang for gay men (ALI SAMI YEN HELL!!) is the shirt lifting arena of Turkey

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ultras never use condoms when sha.gging the cattle

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if u guys wanna cum in my face I be nice, the ffans over here will be nice to you.. Remember we gay here..

Dont come here and get drunk and have a good time! just keep that in mind.. good luck liverpool.


WELL COME TO bellend !

[MaccaLFC]

Nice one lads, Pre-ordered.

I'm in the main tomorra! Pretty gutted to be honest, but my cousin who isn't even that much of a fan has a row 58 kop seat, gonna try and swap it, maybe chuck him a fiver while im at it!

[Leonmc0708]

come here and get drunk .. good luck liverpool.



Benn there, done that, got the t-shirt.

Last two times I have been to Istanbul following hte reds the locals have been superb.

"Fenerbache Boom Boom Boom"

[The Red Baron]

leonn remember the old kop with the p1ss waterfall down the steps, happy days   

and the boys pen? remember when someone would collapse ans get passed down over peoples heads and thrown over the front for the st johns ambulance to look after. there was a story about a fat bloke getting passed down, when the threw him over the front he stood up, bought some food and climbed back in. i dont really remember people selling food pitchside so this may be a myth

There used to be lads pitch side selling sweets.They had a tray around there necks like a cinema usherette.People used to throw money down to the pitch,then the lad would stand ther touching all his products till he got the thumbs up.He would then throw it up onto the Kop.Believe it or not most of the time the person it was intendid for got it.A lad out of our school used to carry a tray,conseqently it was free sweets for us every week.

[Sabre]

leonn remember the old kop with the p1ss waterfall down the steps, happy days   

I've known some VERY OLD grounds and part of you describe, the pI$$ thingy though, shocked me when some months back, Dalglish (our poster) wrote that not everything was good in the Kop's past. I guess you really don't miss that part, do you?

Thanks for the insight. And yes, "humble" for me meant "working class" it's a respectful way we have here in Spain to refer to people who's not posh.

[davo_LFC]

if u guys wanna come to istanbul, dont mess with the fans here.. If u dont mess with em or if u be nice, the ffans over here will be nice to you.. Remember we two leed united fans were killed here..

Dont come here and get drunk then mess with ultrAslan's if u do im telling u.. you will get killed.! just keep that in mind.. good luck liverpool.


WELL COME TO HELL!! IT IS HELL AND NO WAY OUT!!

fu.ck off you greasy headed kunt, you wont know what the fu.ck hit you if you start with the liverpool fans. Your probably the kind of person who would vulture on the innocent fans and give it toes when a liverpool firm arrived.

so swerve the sh.it bag threats, am sure their wont be any problems unless yous start it

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am i dreaming ¿

dunno fella, but the tw.ats been banned so it sound