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I disagree with what you are saying. Beckham technically is just as good if not better.

Scholes is a very good player, top class imo. One of the best in europe. But to be world class you either have to have alot of complimentry skills of the highest standard and i do mean you have to be the best in the world at about 6 or 7 things that go together or you have to be excellent alround like Steven Gerrard.

Scholes, forall his technique and vision doesn't have anything you could say... yeah he's better than everyone at that aswell. He's class don't get me wrong but he isn't world class. At the end of the day i don't give a f##k what Zidane and Figo say they're players not coaches

Vieira said Makelele was one of the best players he'd played with... Hamann p#ssed on him at the bridge.

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Stams importance in the scheme of things has been exposed since he left manure.Apart from a drugs ban he hasnt been heard from since.I wonder if the real reason behind his departure was ferguson getting wind of of his drug taking?Doesnt look the same player now he is clean.

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Wouldn't know haven't seen alot of him since he left old trafford. But at the end of the day during that season he was simply immense. He did take a couple of months to adapt but he adapted and shown his true worth. Without him that treble would have been nothing but a dream. Did you see the state of there defence when he left? Its only since they signed Ferdinand it tightened up again.

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On the Beckham or Scholes debate;Stu,could you tell me the 6 or 7 things that Beckham,has that Scholes needs to aspire too,for your recognition as a world class player.

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If i had the chance to get EITHER Beckham or Scholes I'd take Scholes. His all round game is strong, he scores, tackles , passes. Steven Gerrard is the younger and i believe will become the better version.

Back to the theme of the post, our most "pivotal" player ? Looking at the style of play LFC adopt i'd have to say Hamman although I'd much prefer our style to suit Stevie G as it would mean we were much more of an attacking side (which lets face it we are not at the moment)

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Beckham's Passing, Work-rate, Stamina, Balence, Defensive positioning, Technique, and decision making are world class. He is world class from set peices and also has an EXCELLENT shot. Combine these attributes with others such as good vision, good skill, very good leadership and the other things about his game and you have one hell of a player.

I've seen him at his best at anfield on two occassions and as a youngster and i don't care what any muppet or "expert" says he stands out like a sore thumb. As much as i hate to admit it, he's pure class.

Not that Scholes isn't. But Scholes hasn't got the same level of ability. He is good alround but he can't tackle. Whoever said that needs to think again... he does tackle and he does put himself about but he is pretty average in this area... hence the reason he always seems to get booked.

There posts aren't to slate Paul Scholes at the end of the day as rate him highly and as i say i put players into catorgarys, well Scholes would be very near if not to of his where as i'd say Beckham and Gerrard are at the bottom end of theres.

So theres not much in it. So i ain't gonna continue this arguement.

Nite y'a'll

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I supose thats bullsh#t aswell.

Yes Baros is sh##e, Houllier is sh##e because we don't have 4 Michael Owens.

Fan my a#se.

You're like a little child that stamps his feet when he doesn't get his own way.

Does someone disagree with you?

Poor baby.

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I agre with you Stu about Becks being a very good player and I also agree with your comments about Paul Scholes' tackling. The little ginger minger's tackles are terrible!

However, people get taken in with Beck's fancy long range free kicks and passing.

Scholes is a pure dangerman when arriving in the box. His technique and vision are superb in my opinion.

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Don't get me wrong, like i said Scholes is top class.

But sadly Beckham's world class. Like i said, when your live at the match (no this isn't a critisism of anyone who's never been) he just stands out like a saw thumb as all great players do.

Anyways jib it, its getting repetative now... agree to disagree.

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Exactly, Stu, this is Manure we're talking about.   

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Well IMO Scholes is manu's best player and was even when Beckham was at Old Trafford, though I wouldn't like to say how long this has been the case. When he came back into the side a few weeks ago, manu looked a far better side and he is comfortably the best English midfielder IMO.

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Scholes is better than Beckham in all the the departments you named,stu,bar free-kick taking and as Beck's goal ratio to free-kick,is exactly as good as the media would like you to believe,then give me the amount of goals the ginger git scores and you have a star midfielder.You can keep your money making icon,give me the all round footballer.Fergie is no fool you get more from Scholes than beckham,you fell for his hype too.

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Nope.

I never listen to hype and player speculation because its all bullsh#t. I watch the matches and judge players my own way and i don't listen to people's opinions in the game in general on certain players unless they earn respect by talking sense. There is no way on the face of this earth Paul Scholes is better than Beckham at the things i listed. Especially leadership, work ethic, physical fitness, stamina and mobility.

Also, have you ever considered why Beckhams free kick Ratio is as low as it is? He takes them all from all angles thats why. The crosses, the shots, long range, short range etc etc.

The world cup qualifiers. Last minutes England 1 Greece 2. Beckham knows he has to score to give England a chance, the pressure is really on, score this, your at the world cup, miss and you aren't. Its that simple.

There isn't a player in the world who i'd have rather had than him if i was an England fan and the reason is obvious.

Also how many did he get last season? 11 in the league 15 in total? You also must have seen the impact he had when he came on against Madrid?

Also where did Scholes take any penalties for England? i can't remember.

No? He's s##t then isn't he. Give us Murphy any day.

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Leadership,Beckham? are you taking the p#ss? England could win the european championship if they had a proper captain.The t#s#er wears pink nail varnish for f##ks sake. Keane or Viera he is not.  Who do you support again?

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Only an idiot or a manure supporter could give such an impassioned plea on behalf of beckham.Do you remember just how many free kicks he had against greece?  That match was incredible only in the fact that  england didnt hammer the cr#p out of  Greece, who were sh##e!!!!.I  remember him running around like a headless chicken for the entire match and getting lucky at his eighth attempt at goal.Scholes is different class, no arguement.

No true liverpool supporter would fall for the posh and becks bollox