Liverpool FC Forum

[aCe']

even if we did have significant funds... Owen on a free would have been a brilliant signing...
Cant think of any player who would cost less than 10mill who would have been a better option...
Obviously our priority isnt or shouldnt be signing a striker if we're going to stick to our 4-5-1 or whatever it is... given that, we should be looking at bringing a quality backup (or two) for Torres at the lowest costs possible...
Owen as far as im concerned would have fit that bill perfectly... Would have allowed us more financial freedom in pursuing our top targets in other areas which need more urgent improvement...

But hey, fck that i blame Parry... and if we sell Alonso and Mascherano and end up playing Lucas and Voronin next season because their our best options then i fckin blame rick parry aswell...

Rafas perfect in the transfer market dont anyone dare say otherwise !

We'll see how Owen does with the Mancs and then decide on whether Rafa is the real mug or Ferguson is !

[stmichael]

Well the King is back at the club. Maybe he's gonna be used as backup for Torres.

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Needless to say, I agree with Mick and Ace'. I don't think Owen has ever been top of Rafa's transfer list, maybe because he doesn't work as hard as Kuyt?

I would say that Owen on a free is a no risk signing, if he fails we can loan him out or sell him and if he succeeds (which I think he would) we would have the perfect game breaker.

I don't believe you can blame him for going to the mancs. Cl football and a good chance of winning the League or another fight against relegation ....... not much of a choice really.

Still, I have heard that we have put in a bid for the Brazilian striker Kleber, so maybe if  we are going to gamble its better to gamble on a Brazilian and pay £7million for the privilege.

Also heard that Alonso is to be allowed to leave, but Masch isn't (not sure if there is any truth in it tbh)

[LFC4allseasons]

Owen, like Keane, feeds off a player who can hold it up which is why neither will make it as a lone forward. Mikey has lost his pace, so he can't play up top on his own and to bring him back to Anfield would mean changing our entire system.

Owen and Heskey (Liverpool)
Owen and Shearer (England)
Owen and Viduka (Newcastle)

Now he's going to United where it's likely to be Owen and Berbatov with Rooney just in behind or Rooney and Berbatov with Owen coming on in the last 20 minutes. Either way, he wouldn't suit this Liverpool set up so even on a free we wouldn't get enough out of him. I've no doubt that even without his express pace, he'd still score goals given the chances but our current system with one up top needs either a strong player who can hold it up or somebody with express pace who can give the defenders the get out ball. (even with this pace you need somebody who can hold onto it which is Babel isn't a good option). If you can do both things, like a Torres or an on form Drogba, the lone forward can be devastating. Owen wouldn't be.

[aCe']

Owen, like Keane, feeds off a player who can hold it up which is why neither will make it as a lone forward. Mikey has lost his pace, so he can't play up top on his own and to bring him back to Anfield would mean changing our entire system.

Owen and Heskey (Liverpool)
Owen and Shearer (England)
Owen and Viduka (Newcastle)

Now he's going to United where it's likely to be Owen and Berbatov with Rooney just in behind or Rooney and Berbatov with Owen coming on in the last 20 minutes. Either way, he wouldn't suit this Liverpool set up so even on a free we wouldn't get enough out of him. I've no doubt that even without his express pace, he'd still score goals given the chances but our current system with one up top needs either a strong player who can hold it up or somebody with express pace who can give the defenders the get out ball. (even with this pace you need somebody who can hold onto it which is Babel isn't a good option). If you can do both things, like a Torres or an on form Drogba, the lone forward can be devastating. Owen wouldn't be.

First off, who says Owen cant play the lone striker role ?
I certainly beg to differ... We dont seem to play the long ball where the forward has to hold up the ball and wait for the other to join in too often... in most cases its a case of X passes to Y who passes to Z who passes to Y who passes to Gerrard who takes a couple of steps and slots it through to Torres to knock it in... Im not too sure Owen would find that so hard to do...  The great thing about Owen (same with Torres and with most top class forwards) is that he knows when to make the run to receive the ball... I have no doubt that if surrounded by quality players (gerrard, torres, alonso or carrick, rooney, scholes) Owen would score for fun despite (losing his 'express pace'... Anelka isnt quite the pacey one and neither is trezeguet... both great forwards nonetheless..
I dont think anyone.. not here and not at manutd is expecting Owen to be a devastating asset ... he'll come in and do a job.. and if he find form and remain injury free, he'd be a very good player to have in any squad... wouldnt be surprised if he goes on to score buckets of goals and eveyone starts talking about how he should have been playing for us ratehr than ManUtd... he has it in him.. always has... not sure the media and fans gave him much of a break to prove he still did... Ferguson knows it and thats why hes taking the gamble...

[LFC4allseasons]

Owen, like Keane, feeds off a player who can hold it up which is why neither will make it as a lone forward. Mikey has lost his pace, so he can't play up top on his own and to bring him back to Anfield would mean changing our entire system.

Owen and Heskey (Liverpool)
Owen and Shearer (England)
Owen and Viduka (Newcastle)

Now he's going to United where it's likely to be Owen and Berbatov with Rooney just in behind or Rooney and Berbatov with Owen coming on in the last 20 minutes. Either way, he wouldn't suit this Liverpool set up so even on a free we wouldn't get enough out of him. I've no doubt that even without his express pace, he'd still score goals given the chances but our current system with one up top needs either a strong player who can hold it up or somebody with express pace who can give the defenders the get out ball. (even with this pace you need somebody who can hold onto it which is Babel isn't a good option). If you can do both things, like a Torres or an on form Drogba, the lone forward can be devastating. Owen wouldn't be.

First off, who says Owen cant play the lone striker role ?
I certainly beg to differ... We dont seem to play the long ball where the forward has to hold up the ball and wait for the other to join in too often... in most cases its a case of X passes to Y who passes to Z who passes to Y who passes to Gerrard who takes a couple of steps and slots it through to Torres to knock it in... Im not too sure Owen would find that so hard to do...  The great thing about Owen (same with Torres and with most top class forwards) is that he knows when to make the run to receive the ball... I have no doubt that if surrounded by quality players (gerrard, torres, alonso or carrick, rooney, scholes) Owen would score for fun despite (losing his 'express pace'... Anelka isnt quite the pacey one and neither is trezeguet... both great forwards nonetheless..
I dont think anyone.. not here and not at manutd is expecting Owen to be a devastating asset ... he'll come in and do a job.. and if he find form and remain injury free, he'd be a very good player to have in any squad... wouldnt be surprised if he goes on to score buckets of goals and eveyone starts talking about how he should have been playing for us ratehr than ManUtd... he has it in him.. always has... not sure the media and fans gave him much of a break to prove he still did... Ferguson knows it and thats why hes taking the gamble...

He will score goals at United, that's a fact. But that's because at United he won't be expected to do what he'd do here.

Here, we play one up front - United use three. When you're up front on your todd you are expecting to be able to hold the ball up. That is not Owen's strong point as he shown throughout his career. Anelka can't which is why he's usually operated from the wing in support of Drogba who can. Kuyt can't do which is why he's operated from the wing to support Torres who can. Babel can't which is why he's operated from the wing to support Torres who can.

Owen won't be operated from the flanks nor will he be able to play up top on his own. So unless we're gonna change our system, which has worked perfectly well in recent months, Michael Owen wouldn't work well at Liverpool at this moment in time.

If he comes, which looks extremely unlikely now, and we go to a basic 4-4-2 then Owen would score goals. He's still a top class centre forward who knows how to score goals. But in the 4-2-3-1 he won't score enough.

[aCe']

Owen, like Keane, feeds off a player who can hold it up which is why neither will make it as a lone forward. Mikey has lost his pace, so he can't play up top on his own and to bring him back to Anfield would mean changing our entire system.

Owen and Heskey (Liverpool)
Owen and Shearer (England)
Owen and Viduka (Newcastle)

Now he's going to United where it's likely to be Owen and Berbatov with Rooney just in behind or Rooney and Berbatov with Owen coming on in the last 20 minutes. Either way, he wouldn't suit this Liverpool set up so even on a free we wouldn't get enough out of him. I've no doubt that even without his express pace, he'd still score goals given the chances but our current system with one up top needs either a strong player who can hold it up or somebody with express pace who can give the defenders the get out ball. (even with this pace you need somebody who can hold onto it which is Babel isn't a good option). If you can do both things, like a Torres or an on form Drogba, the lone forward can be devastating. Owen wouldn't be.

First off, who says Owen cant play the lone striker role ?
I certainly beg to differ... We dont seem to play the long ball where the forward has to hold up the ball and wait for the other to join in too often... in most cases its a case of X passes to Y who passes to Z who passes to Y who passes to Gerrard who takes a couple of steps and slots it through to Torres to knock it in... Im not too sure Owen would find that so hard to do...  The great thing about Owen (same with Torres and with most top class forwards) is that he knows when to make the run to receive the ball... I have no doubt that if surrounded by quality players (gerrard, torres, alonso or carrick, rooney, scholes) Owen would score for fun despite (losing his 'express pace'... Anelka isnt quite the pacey one and neither is trezeguet... both great forwards nonetheless..
I dont think anyone.. not here and not at manutd is expecting Owen to be a devastating asset ... he'll come in and do a job.. and if he find form and remain injury free, he'd be a very good player to have in any squad... wouldnt be surprised if he goes on to score buckets of goals and eveyone starts talking about how he should have been playing for us ratehr than ManUtd... he has it in him.. always has... not sure the media and fans gave him much of a break to prove he still did... Ferguson knows it and thats why hes taking the gamble...

He will score goals at United, that's a fact. But that's because at United he won't be expected to do what he'd do here.

Here, we play one up front - United use three. When you're up front on your todd you are expecting to be able to hold the ball up. That is not Owen's strong point as he shown throughout his career. Anelka can't which is why he's usually operated from the wing in support of Drogba who can. Kuyt can't do which is why he's operated from the wing to support Torres who can. Babel can't which is why he's operated from the wing to support Torres who can.

Owen won't be operated from the flanks nor will he be able to play up top on his own. So unless we're gonna change our system, which has worked perfectly well in recent months, Michael Owen wouldn't work well at Liverpool at this moment in time.

If he comes, which looks extremely unlikely now, and we go to a basic 4-4-2 then Owen would score goals. He's still a top class centre forward who knows how to score goals. But in the 4-2-3-1 he won't score enough.

im not buying it fella...
Anelka was leading goalscorer last season and most of the goals he scored he did when he was playing alone upfront....
all that is besides the point though... we'll never agree on that point so we'll leave it at that...
Different scenario...
0-0 at 60mins against Hull... Torres playing , gerrard playing... cant get a break despite Kuyt being there tormenting the opposition leftback, centerhalfs, left winger, central midfielders..etc...
What do we do ?
Bring in Voronin? Babel? move Kuyt upfront? or N'gog ?
Id have Owen ahead of all 4 of them put together... We'll he'd certainly score more than all 4 of them put together given the same playing time...

Its quite simple really.. no one is saying sell Torres and bring Owen in instead... its just that we'll need quality backup.. someone who could come in and nick a goal when we need them to... someone whom you know would score the goals when given the chance... not a 10mill gamble whos biggest game in thei career was a copa libertadores fixture against against Bulgarias champions... He knows the club inside out, he knows some of the player, the players know him and have a good relationship with him, hes done well with Gerrardbehind him before and i've no doubt that he would have done so again....

Rafa didnt want to sign him because Rafa thinks Owen would be a disruptive figure in the squad i guess (no other reason not to sign him imo)... which is a funny thing because last time i checked out best players where calling out for Rafa to sign Owen at every chance...

[LFC4allseasons]

Owen, like Keane, feeds off a player who can hold it up which is why neither will make it as a lone forward. Mikey has lost his pace, so he can't play up top on his own and to bring him back to Anfield would mean changing our entire system.

Owen and Heskey (Liverpool)
Owen and Shearer (England)
Owen and Viduka (Newcastle)

Now he's going to United where it's likely to be Owen and Berbatov with Rooney just in behind or Rooney and Berbatov with Owen coming on in the last 20 minutes. Either way, he wouldn't suit this Liverpool set up so even on a free we wouldn't get enough out of him. I've no doubt that even without his express pace, he'd still score goals given the chances but our current system with one up top needs either a strong player who can hold it up or somebody with express pace who can give the defenders the get out ball. (even with this pace you need somebody who can hold onto it which is Babel isn't a good option). If you can do both things, like a Torres or an on form Drogba, the lone forward can be devastating. Owen wouldn't be.

First off, who says Owen cant play the lone striker role ?
I certainly beg to differ... We dont seem to play the long ball where the forward has to hold up the ball and wait for the other to join in too often... in most cases its a case of X passes to Y who passes to Z who passes to Y who passes to Gerrard who takes a couple of steps and slots it through to Torres to knock it in... Im not too sure Owen would find that so hard to do...  The great thing about Owen (same with Torres and with most top class forwards) is that he knows when to make the run to receive the ball... I have no doubt that if surrounded by quality players (gerrard, torres, alonso or carrick, rooney, scholes) Owen would score for fun despite (losing his 'express pace'... Anelka isnt quite the pacey one and neither is trezeguet... both great forwards nonetheless..
I dont think anyone.. not here and not at manutd is expecting Owen to be a devastating asset ... he'll come in and do a job.. and if he find form and remain injury free, he'd be a very good player to have in any squad... wouldnt be surprised if he goes on to score buckets of goals and eveyone starts talking about how he should have been playing for us ratehr than ManUtd... he has it in him.. always has... not sure the media and fans gave him much of a break to prove he still did... Ferguson knows it and thats why hes taking the gamble...

He will score goals at United, that's a fact. But that's because at United he won't be expected to do what he'd do here.

Here, we play one up front - United use three. When you're up front on your todd you are expecting to be able to hold the ball up. That is not Owen's strong point as he shown throughout his career. Anelka can't which is why he's usually operated from the wing in support of Drogba who can. Kuyt can't do which is why he's operated from the wing to support Torres who can. Babel can't which is why he's operated from the wing to support Torres who can.

Owen won't be operated from the flanks nor will he be able to play up top on his own. So unless we're gonna change our system, which has worked perfectly well in recent months, Michael Owen wouldn't work well at Liverpool at this moment in time.

If he comes, which looks extremely unlikely now, and we go to a basic 4-4-2 then Owen would score goals. He's still a top class centre forward who knows how to score goals. But in the 4-2-3-1 he won't score enough.

im not buying it fella...
Anelka was leading goalscorer last season and most of the goals he scored he did when he was playing alone upfront....
all that is besides the point though... we'll never agree on that point so we'll leave it at that...
Different scenario...
0-0 at 60mins against Hull... Torres playing , gerrard playing... cant get a break despite Kuyt being there tormenting the opposition leftback, centerhalfs, left winger, central midfielders..etc...
What do we do ?
Bring in Voronin? Babel? move Kuyt upfront? or N'gog ?
Id have Owen ahead of all 4 of them put together... We'll he'd certainly score more than all 4 of them put together given the same playing time...

Its quite simple really.. no one is saying sell Torres and bring Owen in instead... its just that we'll need quality backup.. someone who could come in and nick a goal when we need them to... someone whom you know would score the goals when given the chance... not a 10mill gamble whos biggest game in thei career was a copa libertadores fixture against against Bulgarias champions... He knows the club inside out, he knows some of the player, the players know him and have a good relationship with him, hes done well with Gerrardbehind him before and i've no doubt that he would have done so again....

Rafa didnt want to sign him because Rafa thinks Owen would be a disruptive figure in the squad i guess (no other reason not to sign him imo)... which is a funny thing because last time i checked out best players where calling out for Rafa to sign Owen at every chance...

Yes mate and that scenario you mentioned about 0-0 at Hull would mean changing the system to 4-4-2 to put Torres and Owen up front together. I've already said, that in that system Owen would score.

[Ciggy]

Congrats Torres & Ollala baby girl born this morning.

[Igor Zidane]

Congrats nando . where's the boy though lad . For the future.

[Dundalk]

She will have the same hairstyle but will play better football than Vorinion

[SupitsJonF]

Congrats Torres, but go have another one and make it a boy

[Greavesie]

Congrats to the Torres's. Get working on some lads mate. We will need two or three in the future

[Lando_Griffin]

Owen, like Keane, feeds off a player who can hold it up which is why neither will make it as a lone forward. Mikey has lost his pace, so he can't play up top on his own and to bring him back to Anfield would mean changing our entire system.

Owen and Heskey (Liverpool)
Owen and Shearer (England)
Owen and Viduka (Newcastle)

Now he's going to United where it's likely to be Owen and Berbatov with Rooney just in behind or Rooney and Berbatov with Owen coming on in the last 20 minutes. Either way, he wouldn't suit this Liverpool set up so even on a free we wouldn't get enough out of him. I've no doubt that even without his express pace, he'd still score goals given the chances but our current system with one up top needs either a strong player who can hold it up or somebody with express pace who can give the defenders the get out ball. (even with this pace you need somebody who can hold onto it which is Babel isn't a good option). If you can do both things, like a Torres or an on form Drogba, the lone forward can be devastating. Owen wouldn't be.

First off, who says Owen cant play the lone striker role ?
I certainly beg to differ... We dont seem to play the long ball where the forward has to hold up the ball and wait for the other to join in too often... in most cases its a case of X passes to Y who passes to Z who passes to Y who passes to Gerrard who takes a couple of steps and slots it through to Torres to knock it in... Im not too sure Owen would find that so hard to do...  The great thing about Owen (same with Torres and with most top class forwards) is that he knows when to make the run to receive the ball... I have no doubt that if surrounded by quality players (gerrard, torres, alonso or carrick, rooney, scholes) Owen would score for fun despite (losing his 'express pace'... Anelka isnt quite the pacey one and neither is trezeguet... both great forwards nonetheless..
I dont think anyone.. not here and not at manutd is expecting Owen to be a devastating asset ... he'll come in and do a job.. and if he find form and remain injury free, he'd be a very good player to have in any squad... wouldnt be surprised if he goes on to score buckets of goals and eveyone starts talking about how he should have been playing for us ratehr than ManUtd... he has it in him.. always has... not sure the media and fans gave him much of a break to prove he still did... Ferguson knows it and thats why hes taking the gamble...

You are absolutely right - Torres never, ever holds the ball up.

[Lando_Griffin]

Owen, like Keane, feeds off a player who can hold it up which is why neither will make it as a lone forward. Mikey has lost his pace, so he can't play up top on his own and to bring him back to Anfield would mean changing our entire system.

Owen and Heskey (Liverpool)
Owen and Shearer (England)
Owen and Viduka (Newcastle)

Now he's going to United where it's likely to be Owen and Berbatov with Rooney just in behind or Rooney and Berbatov with Owen coming on in the last 20 minutes. Either way, he wouldn't suit this Liverpool set up so even on a free we wouldn't get enough out of him. I've no doubt that even without his express pace, he'd still score goals given the chances but our current system with one up top needs either a strong player who can hold it up or somebody with express pace who can give the defenders the get out ball. (even with this pace you need somebody who can hold onto it which is Babel isn't a good option). If you can do both things, like a Torres or an on form Drogba, the lone forward can be devastating. Owen wouldn't be.

First off, who says Owen cant play the lone striker role ?
I certainly beg to differ... We dont seem to play the long ball where the forward has to hold up the ball and wait for the other to join in too often... in most cases its a case of X passes to Y who passes to Z who passes to Y who passes to Gerrard who takes a couple of steps and slots it through to Torres to knock it in... Im not too sure Owen would find that so hard to do...  The great thing about Owen (same with Torres and with most top class forwards) is that he knows when to make the run to receive the ball... I have no doubt that if surrounded by quality players (gerrard, torres, alonso or carrick, rooney, scholes) Owen would score for fun despite (losing his 'express pace'... Anelka isnt quite the pacey one and neither is trezeguet... both great forwards nonetheless..
I dont think anyone.. not here and not at manutd is expecting Owen to be a devastating asset ... he'll come in and do a job.. and if he find form and remain injury free, he'd be a very good player to have in any squad... wouldnt be surprised if he goes on to score buckets of goals and eveyone starts talking about how he should have been playing for us ratehr than ManUtd... he has it in him.. always has... not sure the media and fans gave him much of a break to prove he still did... Ferguson knows it and thats why hes taking the gamble...

He will score goals at United, that's a fact. But that's because at United he won't be expected to do what he'd do here.

Here, we play one up front - United use three. When you're up front on your todd you are expecting to be able to hold the ball up. That is not Owen's strong point as he shown throughout his career. Anelka can't which is why he's usually operated from the wing in support of Drogba who can. Kuyt can't do which is why he's operated from the wing to support Torres who can. Babel can't which is why he's operated from the wing to support Torres who can.

Owen won't be operated from the flanks nor will he be able to play up top on his own. So unless we're gonna change our system, which has worked perfectly well in recent months, Michael Owen wouldn't work well at Liverpool at this moment in time.

If he comes, which looks extremely unlikely now, and we go to a basic 4-4-2 then Owen would score goals. He's still a top class centre forward who knows how to score goals. But in the 4-2-3-1 he won't score enough.

im not buying it fella...
Anelka was leading goalscorer last season and most of the goals he scored he did when he was playing alone upfront....
all that is besides the point though... we'll never agree on that point so we'll leave it at that...
Different scenario...
0-0 at 60mins against Hull... Torres playing , gerrard playing... cant get a break despite Kuyt being there tormenting the opposition leftback, centerhalfs, left winger, central midfielders..etc...
What do we do ?
Bring in Voronin? Babel? move Kuyt upfront? or N'gog ?
Id have Owen ahead of all 4 of them put together... We'll he'd certainly score more than all 4 of them put together given the same playing time...

Its quite simple really.. no one is saying sell Torres and bring Owen in instead... its just that we'll need quality backup.. someone who could come in and nick a goal when we need them to... someone whom you know would score the goals when given the chance... not a 10mill gamble whos biggest game in thei career was a copa libertadores fixture against against Bulgarias champions... He knows the club inside out, he knows some of the player, the players know him and have a good relationship with him, hes done well with Gerrardbehind him before and i've no doubt that he would have done so again....

Rafa didnt want to sign him because Rafa thinks Owen would be a disruptive figure in the squad i guess (no other reason not to sign him imo)... which is a funny thing because last time i checked out best players where calling out for Rafa to sign Owen at every chance...

Did your bezzie mate Stevie G tell you that, the last time you were round at his house, then?