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by Johnny Boy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:23 am
Great news - a true legend.
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by heimdall » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:25 am
Johnny Boy wrote:Great news - a true legend.
yes that is fantastic, now the club is that little bit further in debt.
he is a fantastic player but why do we have to keep payign the players more and more, it seems every fecking year they get new improved contracts, it's crazy.
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by tubby » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:53 am
heimdall wrote:Johnny Boy wrote:Great news - a true legend.
yes that is fantastic, now the club is that little bit further in debt.
he is a fantastic player but why do we have to keep payign the players more and more, it seems every fecking year they get new improved contracts, it's crazy.
To protect ourselves when other clubs come to poach them. If Xabi had not had signed a new deal year before last do you really think we would have got the fee we did for him? It would have been less.
Next to Stevie, Fernando is probably our most prized player. He should always have at least 3 years left on his contract at any time.
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by bigmick » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:54 am
heimdall wrote:Johnny Boy wrote:Great news - a true legend.
yes that is fantastic, now the club is that little bit further in debt.
he is a fantastic player but why do we have to keep payign the players more and more, it seems every fecking year they get new improved contracts, it's crazy.
Rick Parry would have just left the contract as it was, saved us a few quid 
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by Sabre » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:56 am
heimdall wrote:Johnny Boy wrote:Great news - a true legend.
yes that is fantastic, now the club is that little bit further in debt.
he is a fantastic player but why do we have to keep payign the players more and more, it seems every fecking year they get new improved contracts, it's crazy.
Don't be negative Heimdall
Let's see how I put this without sounding arrogant. I think it's a normal situation in this kind of club and this kind of player. For instance Messi, has seen his contract improved 5 times in Barcelona, the last time recently after the Ibrahimovic deal.
So don't feel
I mean, feel like you want, but don't worry too much, I mean worry if you want, but in a way, it's a good sign we're able to keep this kind of player. Note that he came from Atletico losing money and his contract in Atletico wasn't a contract comparable to a world class player.
This is good news, we have all the guarantees to have Torres until 2014.
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by bigmick » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:59 am
Fecking Purslow 
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by Owzat » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:12 pm
Sabre wrote:heimdall wrote:Johnny Boy wrote:Great news - a true legend.
yes that is fantastic, now the club is that little bit further in debt.
he is a fantastic player but why do we have to keep payign the players more and more, it seems every fecking year they get new improved contracts, it's crazy.
Don't be negative Heimdall
Let's see how I put this without sounding arrogant. I think it's a normal situation in this kind of club and this kind of player. For instance Messi, has seen his contract improved 5 times in Barcelona, the last time recently after the Ibrahimovic deal.
So don't feel
I mean, feel like you want, but don't worry too much, I mean worry if you want, but in a way, it's a good sign we're able to keep this kind of player. Note that he came from Atletico losing money and his contract in Atletico wasn't a contract comparable to a world class player.
This is good news, we have all the guarantees to have Torres until 2014.
See it as rewarding a loyal player's loyalty with improved terms, like anyone doing a good job for their company should get (but often don't) It also strengthens our hand in any transfer bids for the player, although it does seem rather repetitious and pointless when new contracts are offered every two years and it doesn't prevent against sale despite some of the media and fans talking about it as if it does.
If he refused a new contract would people (Heimdall) be happy/happier?!?!? Or would it merely change from complaining about the finances side to complaining about the player not signing
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by Dundalk » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:18 pm
Excellent News
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by stmichael » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:34 pm
It's also pretty obvious to see that the club have deliberately timed this to give the club a much needed lift on the eve of the start of the season.
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by The Good Yank » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:12 pm
stmichael wrote:It's also pretty obvious to see that the club have deliberately timed this to give the club a much needed lift on the eve of the start of the season.
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by heimdall » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:25 pm
Owzat wrote:Sabre wrote:heimdall wrote:Johnny Boy wrote:Great news - a true legend.
yes that is fantastic, now the club is that little bit further in debt.
he is a fantastic player but why do we have to keep payign the players more and more, it seems every fecking year they get new improved contracts, it's crazy.
Don't be negative HeimdallLet's see how I put this without sounding arrogant. I think it's a normal situation in this kind of club and this kind of player. For instance Messi, has seen his contract improved 5 times in Barcelona, the last time recently after the Ibrahimovic deal.
So don't feel

I mean, feel like you want, but don't worry too much, I mean worry if you want, but in a way, it's a good sign we're able to keep this kind of player. Note that he came from Atletico losing money and his contract in Atletico wasn't a contract comparable to a world class player.
This is good news, we have all the guarantees to have Torres until 2014.
See it as rewarding a loyal player's loyalty with improved terms, like anyone doing a good job for their company should get (but often don't) It also strengthens our hand in any transfer bids for the player, although it does seem rather repetitious and pointless when new contracts are offered every two years and it doesn't prevent against sale despite some of the media and fans talking about it as if it does.
If he refused a new contract would people (Heimdall) be happy/happier?!?!? Or would it merely change from complaining about the finances side to complaining about the player not signing
No but if you give someone a new improved contract every damned year then why not just have players on rolling one year contracts or write into the contract that they get a pay rise based on performances, wouldn't that make more sense rather than have to go through all the bloody expense of renewing a contract all the frigging time. And no it is not the same as getting a payrise in the real world, gettign a payrise does not entail you having to go through induction training etc etc each time does it or you physicaly getting a new contract. A new contract for a player is fairly expensive so it seems a bit weird to give a player a 5-year contract then renew it ever year, or it it just me, maybe it makes brilliant sense to waste money, that is what the economy is based on after all
I think sooner or later football clubs are going to have to scrap the concept of "owning" players. I'm actually staggered that it hasn't been challenged by the EU courts yet. It is a weird concept to own another person, kind of like slavery in a lot of aspects although very highly paid slaves. Why can't they just work for the club and earn a salary like the rest of the world do? Obviously you would have to have rules that bind you to the club for at least one season but with the way players can break contracts anyway what is the bloody point in them?
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by maguskwt » Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:28 pm
heimdall wrote:I think sooner or later football clubs are going to have to scrap the concept of "owning" players. I'm actually staggered that it hasn't been challenged by the EU courts yet. It is a weird concept to own another person, kind of like slavery in a lot of aspects although very highly paid slaves. Why can't they just work for the club and earn a salary like the rest of the world do? Obviously you would have to have rules that bind you to the club for at least one season but with the way players can break contracts anyway what is the bloody point in them?
In that one paragraph you contradict yourself... kinda like slavery but then the slave can break the contract? If anyone can break the contract then surely it's not slavery? and then you go on about why can't the players work for a club like anyone does... if you work for a club like all of us does in a company that's more like slavery... becaue you're working your
off while the company bosses reaps the rewards... these football players are not slaves... they are actually more powerful than the clubs...

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by HacksawJimDuggin » Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:11 am
One of the terms of the Torres signing this new contract was that we would have a MAJOR new signing in this transfer window. Watch this space over the next 7 days.
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by metalhead » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:38 am
HacksawJimDuggin wrote:One of the terms of the Torres signing this new contract was that we would have a MAJOR new signing in this transfer window. Watch this space over the next 7 days.
No, its because RBS told G+H to sign new and improved contracts for Torres and Gerrard to refinance their loans. RBS doesn't want Liverpool to lose their greatest assets
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