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[The Good Yank]

Good keeper for me, not a better replacement than Reina unfortunately

I think it's a wash.  Riena's distribution is unmatched, but I think Mig is a better shot stopper, despite the howler today.

[damjan193]

Good keeper for me, not a better replacement than Reina unfortunately

I think it's a wash.  Riena's distribution is unmatched, but I think Mig is a better shot stopper, despite the howler today.

From what I've seen so far, I think that Reina at his best was the better all-round goalie but I still believe that it was the correct decision and the right time to move Pepe on and Mign is definitely a solid replacement.

[kazza]

He has started to flap a bit of late and whenever they pass the ball back to him he seems nervous. Reina at his best was better but we have not seen that goalie for a while. We need a world class keeper that would have saved at least two of Stokes goals if we want to win the title, he will improve but he is looking a little less solid of late

[Ben Patrick]

He has started to flap a bit of late and whenever they pass the ball back to him he seems nervous. Reina at his best was better but we have not seen that goalie for a while. We need a world class keeper that would have saved at least two of Stokes goals if we want to win the title, he will improve but he is looking a little less solid of late

Mignolet should have saved Walters goal without doubt but I dont think he had a chance with either of the other two.
Crouches header was right in the corner and the opposite one to which most would have expected.
Adam's goal was drilled into the corner through Skrtels legs, no chance.

He has made a couple of mistakes now and lets hope it doesnt affect his confidence.
I still think he is an improvement on Reina (based on Reina's last two seasons) and he will save us more points than he loses us.

[kazza]

Fair enough but a world class keeper makes world class saves and it is cheaper to get a world class keeper than change all the defenders. He was not at fault for the two goals but how nice would it have been had he saved them. Also he makes me nervous with the ball at his feet. He is not a liability but he is not world class.

[Ben Patrick]

Fair enough but a world class keeper makes world class saves and it is cheaper to get a world class keeper than change all the defenders. He was not at fault for the two goals but how nice would it have been had he saved them. Also he makes me nervous with the ball at his feet. He is not a liability but he is not world class.

I do agree about him with the ball at his feet.
It's a strange one as well with Rodgers going for him given the fact we do pass the ball back to him a lot.
You would have thought he would have targetted a keeper that was extremely comfortable with the ball at his feet.

If I had to choose though I would take his shot stopping over Reinas ability with his feet.
I suppose keepers that are world class at both are hard to come by.
Not sure what Begovic is like with his feet.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Lets not forget here that if barca hadn't have played hardball with victor Valdez and made him honour the last year of his contract pepe would have had his bags packed and been down to John Lennon airport quicker than you could say jack Robinson.
When we started looking for a keeper Rodgers and Ayre were under the impression that reina was going back to Spain, Infact Reina's agent had told the pair of them in a meeting that barca would be coming in with a £7m bid and it would be for the best if they accepted it.
Mingolet has had a ropey spell lately but nothing out of the ordinary, lloris and Cech have had similar issue's themselves this season, he's a solid keeper and I actually think his kicking game is improving, he needs to work on collecting crosses though!

[Stu the Red]

I'm quite frankly at a loss to explain how anyone can say he's anywhere near the same class as Pepe.

Infact, I find it absolutely absurd. He's nowhere near as good as Pepe. Its like saying Sturridge is better than Suarez. Not even close.

Reina is a class goalkeeper. Mignolet isn't. Simple as that.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

I'm quite frankly at a loss to explain how anyone can say he's anywhere near the same class as Pepe.

Infact, I find it absolutely absurd. He's nowhere near as good as Pepe. Its like saying Sturridge is better than Suarez. Not even close.

Reina is a class goalkeeper. Mignolet isn't. Simple as that.

Reina hadn't been the same since Benitez left  Infact he dropped a clanger in hodgsons first home game against arsenal, joe cole was sent off just before half time but we somehow managed to go ahead through a tremendous strike from ngog, we held out until injury time but then reina spilt a bog standard cross onto the head of van persie who equalised with about 10 seconds left on the clock.
That story was repeated over the following two seasons really, clanger after clanger, he even cost us that F.A cup final against Chelsea, the difference on the day was that cech pulled off a world class save and reina let in a Ramirez effort any of us probably could have stopped.
Reina didn't want to play for us anymore  Mingolet does, simple as that really

[Stu the Red]

I'm quite frankly at a loss to explain how anyone can say he's anywhere near the same class as Pepe.

Infact, I find it absolutely absurd. He's nowhere near as good as Pepe. Its like saying Sturridge is better than Suarez. Not even close.

Reina is a class goalkeeper. Mignolet isn't. Simple as that.

Reina hadn't been the same since Benitez left  Infact he dropped a clanger in hodgsons first home game against arsenal, joe cole was sent off just before half time but we somehow managed to go ahead through a tremendous strike from ngog, we held out until injury time but then reina spilt a bog standard cross onto the head of van persie who equalised with about 10 seconds left on the clock.
That story was repeated over the following two seasons really, clanger after clanger, he even cost us that F.A cup final against Chelsea, the difference on the day was that cech pulled off a world class save and reina let in a Ramirez effort any of us probably could have stopped.
Reina didn't want to play for us anymore  Mingolet does, simple as that really

Ahh yes, the "Reina was ***** in his last two seasons" arguement. The lad probably made 10 errors in five years. I'd take that all day, Mignolet's on about 10 already and he's only been here half a season.

Reina suffered a dip in form due to the back four changing. He went from having Carragher and Hyypia, to Agger and a clown, which left him ridiculously exposed.

At the end of the day, anyone that can't see how much better than Mignolet, Pepe actually was isn't even worth talking to about the game.

Like I said, its like comparing Suarez and Sturridge. The gap is massive.

[Ben Patrick]

It's all about opinions Stu.

I dont think Reina saved anywhere near enough efforts on target.
I am not talking big mistakes that are obvious. Just general shots that hit the target more often than not resulted in goals.
Mignolet has made a few mistakes that have led to goals but he also makes top saves.
In the Chelsea game the one from Lampard that he pushed over I dont think Reina would have attempted to save.

[Stu the Red]

It's all about opinions Stu.

I dont think Reina saved anywhere near enough efforts on target.
I am not talking big mistakes that are obvious. Just general shots that hit the target more often than not resulted in goals.
Mignolet has made a few mistakes that have led to goals but he also makes top saves.
In the Chelsea game the one from Lampard that he pushed over I dont think Reina would have attempted to save.

But what do you count as not saving enough shots on target? If you count worldies that fly in the top corner then you're probably right, no goalkeeper does though. Reina made some great saves in his career for Liverpool and his general play in games was absolutely top class. So much so, even Alex Ferguson praised his signing, some would say that says it all.

The other example you use I totally agree... Mignolet does love a good dive and bit of dramatics. Mignolet often throws himself at stupid shots which Reina used to simply take two steps left or right to parry. That Lampard effort would have been seen as a "nothing shot" with Pepe in goal as he'd have took two steps to his left, jumped and parryed it and made it look easy because his positioning would have been right and he'd have handled it properly.

Even the one from Gerrard's header at the end of the game the other day, it was straight at Mignolet. It was head height and he does a mad dive and palm's it away? My mate said it was a "great reflex save"... I saw it as more of an over dramatisation of a simple situation which required him to simply catch the ball...

To be honest, its something a lot of people are buying into and if that's your preferred style then so be it. Personally, I like a goalkeeper who is calm, quality, can pass and doesn't concede stupid amounts of goals and has the ability to command his box, over one who dives around all over the shop trying to make easy saves look difficult.

[Ben Patrick]

Yeah we definitely see things different.
I thought the save off Gerrards header given how close Gerrard was to him was top drawer.

By the way I actually think Reina was a top keeper for us.

I just think he hadnt been the same player for a while and it was time for a change.

[metalhead]

He has started to flap a bit of late and whenever they pass the ball back to him he seems nervous. Reina at his best was better but we have not seen that goalie for a while. We need a world class keeper that would have saved at least two of Stokes goals if we want to win the title, he will improve but he is looking a little less solid of late

Mignolet should have saved Walters goal without doubt but I dont think he had a chance with either of the other two.
Crouches header was right in the corner and the opposite one to which most would have expected.
Adam's goal was drilled into the corner through Skrtels legs, no chance.

He has made a couple of mistakes now and lets hope it doesnt affect his confidence.
I still think he is an improvement on Reina (based on Reina's last two seasons) and he will save us more points than he loses us.

Adam's goal was partly his fault, his distribution gave it right back to the opposition when he shouldn't have done that, easily could have dealt with it better.

[Stu the Red]

He has started to flap a bit of late and whenever they pass the ball back to him he seems nervous. Reina at his best was better but we have not seen that goalie for a while. We need a world class keeper that would have saved at least two of Stokes goals if we want to win the title, he will improve but he is looking a little less solid of late

Mignolet should have saved Walters goal without doubt but I dont think he had a chance with either of the other two.
Crouches header was right in the corner and the opposite one to which most would have expected.
Adam's goal was drilled into the corner through Skrtels legs, no chance.

He has made a couple of mistakes now and lets hope it doesnt affect his confidence.
I still think he is an improvement on Reina (based on Reina's last two seasons) and he will save us more points than he loses us.

Adam's goal was partly his fault, his distribution gave it right back to the opposition when he shouldn't have done that, easily could have dealt with it better.

I'd forgot about that to be honest, the kick was a joke. It only just cleared the half way line and was right in the centre of the pitch. As a young keeper in any circumstance like that you're told if the team isn't set, aim your clearances out wide.

Another example of poor goalkeeping for me.

What worries me is the acceptance of it these days.

Skrtel and Johnson wouldn't have last five minutes under previous management...