Rafa on transfers

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Postby stmichael » Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:29 pm

"We have three or four months to get through. In January we need to reinforce the squad," he said. "We were thinking about a right winger and centre half, everyone knows that, but when people say we left it until the last minute, that's not true.

"We worked all summer. We never wanted to pay more for a player than his value. We didn't want to sign play-ers we didn't need.

"We tried, but because of circumstances, the clubs wouldn't sell. If a club is willing to sell without a fight, maybe the player isn't good enough. When the club tries hard to keep him, you know you're trying to sign someone of high class.

"Simao is an example, as is Milito and Figo. We watched Simao for a long time, but we were looking at others first because we didn't know if he was available. We decided to try and Benfica said yes. We thought we had control of the situation. Then they changed their mind.

"We also tried to sign centre-backs, but their clubs said no. Clubs think because we've won the Champions League we've got a lot of money. They put a £7m values on players who are no more than prospects.

"If you look at our squad now compared to last May, we've signed very good players and improved. We couldn't find the right players for the right and at centre-half, but because we're European champions, only certain players are good enough to play for us.

"If people want me to buy players to finish in the middle of the table, I can, but I want to win trophies. I will only buy players to do this.

"I have a lot of confidence we will have a better team this year. People may not agree with my decisions, but when I spend a lot of money I want it to be on one of the best players in the world."
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I can't wait till January. I think Rafa will buy big with a vengeance. The last sentence suggests he will buy big one of these days. Why does he have to spend big on players to mean they are any good?

Look at our "big buys" in the past?

Heskey - didnt live up to it - fraud

Collymore - ultimately flopped despite promising fowler partnership

Diouf - less said the better

Cisse - promise but jury still very much out

Alonso at 10m is the only real big money signing who we can say was ulimately a success and he's only been here just over a season.

The thing which really bugged me was people on here slagging the board off for our lack of activity in bringing players in. At the end of the day, only Rafa decides what players he wants, and only Rafa can say how much the players are worth. Parry cannot go throwing more money at clubs in an effort to get them to sell. That is over ruling Rafas opinion of a player and his worth. Parry has not scouted the players and probably doesnt know that much about them. Hes not going to agree to pay an extra £5m, or even more in Owens case, if Rafa doesn't rate them at that price.

I'll admit that in the heat of the moment I beefed about the performance off the pitch immediately after transfer deadline day passed but having had a full week to think about it, nows the time to get right behind the team and Rafa and lets hope the team can be in a position to challenge come January, starting at the lane on saturday..

 
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Postby Ace Ventura » Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:41 pm

Just read that in the echo and i feel a little bit stupid myself now.
I did get a bit over critical of the manager and the board but based on the comments made i can see that he is a clever man that is thinkin about the club and not himself.
He could of gambled the clubs money on unproven players or payed well over the odds to suit himself, but he is thinking long term and that needs to be applauded.
I will look forward to the jan transfer window even more now.
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Postby JC_81 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:59 pm

I think we need to forget about transfers for now, and that includes what may or may not happen in January.  People were drooling all summer about all the big names we were supposedly after and when it didn't happen, Rafa and the board got criticised heavily on this forum, totally undeserved.

The same will happen in January if people start getting excited about spending loads of money again.  It is notoriously harder to sign players in January than during the summer, players and clubs are unwilling to agree to moves in the middle of a season.  Many of the better players will be cup-tied in Europe and the fact that the window is only open for a month means that player's prices become even more inflated than over the summer because the buying club is unde pressure to do a deal quickly.

If we get any players in January then it's a bonus, but I'm certainly not banking on it happening.  Fingers crossed that the Gonzalez situation can be sorted out and maybe we'll at least get him in January.  Lets concentrate on getting behind the players we already have.
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Postby 109-1093441336 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:06 pm

the only time when rafa has spent big on a player its been alonso. (no need to talk about that)

i trust him fully with our money to spend it correctly on Simao.
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Postby mighty mo » Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:33 pm

rafa is the man,he,s not like houllier who bought someone based on a few  good games or a tournament,rafa is very shrewd with his buys and does a lot of intel on a player before signing them.in rafa we trust
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Postby Cool Hand Luke » Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:55 pm

Although I was extremely disappointed that we didn’t sign a right winger and a centre back, I fully support Rafa’s transfer market strategy.

At the end of last season I thought that the 2 most urgent positions that needed addressing were right wing and centre back, but we needed quality there to come straight into the first team, not average players who are not better than what we already have.

And to criticise the board is just plain stupid, Rafa calls all the shots in terms of transfers, and that’s exactly how it should be.
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Postby The_Rock » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:36 pm

stmichael wrote:We couldn't find the right players for the right and at centre-half, but because we're European champions, only certain players are good enough to play for us.

hmmmmmmm josemi.....zenden....
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Postby Cool Hand Luke » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:42 pm

The_Rock wrote:
stmichael wrote:We couldn't find the right players for the right and at centre-half, but because we're European champions, only certain players are good enough to play for us.

hmmmmmmm josemi.....zenden....

Josemi and Zenden were cheap buys to make up the numbers and strengthen the squad, in a few years time probably both will be gone.
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Postby Paul C » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:56 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:
The_Rock wrote:
stmichael wrote:We couldn't find the right players for the right and at centre-half, but because we're European champions, only certain players are good enough to play for us.

hmmmmmmm josemi.....zenden....

Josemi and Zenden were cheap buys to make up the numbers and strengthen the squad, in a few years time probably both will be gone.

Agree'd both total to £3.5m, not exactly bank breaking  :;):

Nice to see Rafa has come out and cleared the air on what people were saying, he won't waste money and thats one thing I like about the guy  :)
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Postby Cool Hand Luke » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:05 pm

Paul C wrote:
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
The_Rock wrote:
stmichael wrote:We couldn't find the right players for the right and at centre-half, but because we're European champions, only certain players are good enough to play for us.

hmmmmmmm josemi.....zenden....

Josemi and Zenden were cheap buys to make up the numbers and strengthen the squad, in a few years time probably both will be gone.

Agree'd both total to £3.5m, not exactly bank breaking  :;):

Nice to see Rafa has come out and cleared the air on what people were saying, he won't waste money and thats one thing I like about the guy  :)

3.5 Million?

I thought Josemi was 2 million and Zenden was a free transfer!
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Postby The_Rock » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:31 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:
The_Rock wrote:
stmichael wrote:We couldn't find the right players for the right and at centre-half, but because we're European champions, only certain players are good enough to play for us.

hmmmmmmm josemi.....zenden....

Josemi and Zenden were cheap buys to make up the numbers and strengthen the squad, in a few years time probably both will be gone.

actually nothing against them....but the thing is if we are infact building a great team....we should get rid of all the sub-standard players...

its no use getting rid of biscan, smicer...when u still have josemi in the squad ?

But, i shall not get into any longer. I am still pi$$ed why baros had to go so fast given that we had to sell him to buy a RW/CB. (i am from pro baros camp  :D ).

well....i just had to get on with life then.
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Postby A.B. » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:45 pm

Rock you might want to re-read the article. Benitez says that he will only spend a lot of money on good players. Now the last time I checked Zenden was free, and Josemi cost 3.5 million. Not exactly breaking the bank?

We're not going to have all good players in the entire squad, there will be squad players that can do the job. Unless we become Chelsea, that won't change anytime soon.

But what Benitez is trying to say is that he's not going to break the bank on a player that isn't all that good (for instance Birmingham value Upson at 15 million pounds)
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Postby Liverpool 4 EVA » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:13 pm

The_Rock wrote:
stmichael wrote:We couldn't find the right players for the right and at centre-half, but because we're European champions, only certain players are good enough to play for us.

hmmmmmmm josemi.....zenden....

Oh come on man, now you're being really petty.

RAFA is an extremely intelligent indeed, I certainly trust him 100%. He's tough and sensible too.
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Postby The_Rock » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:20 pm

3.5 million for josemi is not breaking the bank....okie....then what abt 2 million for figo  ??? Is that too much

on the other hand....

what about 7 million for crouch ???

i don't wanna argue.

Just looking at the statement rafa made "because we're European champions, only certain players are good enough to play for us.", not sure which type of players he is refering too. Thats all. I am not questioning rafa's wisdom or anything.

what does that certain players mean or who is he refering to ?  :D

ps  - he was in the market for stellios. Is that a type of player euro champs should be looking at ? i don't know.
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Postby A.B. » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:23 pm

3.5 million for josemi is not breaking the bank....okie....then what abt 2 million for figo  ??? Is that too much


Yes it is too much, why? Because before we expressed our interest in Figo, Real Madrid claimed that he would be let go for FREE. This was just another attempt by Madrid to screw us over, and why should we offer 2 million for a player that is being told by his wife where he should play his football?
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