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[Igor Zidane]

I dindt feel they backed Hodgson at all. Pretty much they inherited him and they stressed several times results where unacceptable. Almost ever caller wanted Hodgson dismissed. Wasnt too impressed with Ayre overall and the other two arent imposing or impressive figures so I just hope they are just calmly going business and will do the job. To be frank I still dont feel they understand the kind of money required to get us back up there and when asked where pretty evasive. Its all about opinion but based on that show I honestly dont feel Hodgson will be in post next year if not out this campaign.

Fair enough. But it doesnt look to me like theyre in any hurry to get rid of him and have pretty much wrote this season off.

They will be after tonight , if they didn't know before hand they certainly do know now what the fans feelings are towards our manager .

[Ciggy]

They said that there have been some terrible short term footballing decisions made at the club over the last two years or so and they did not want to make any more.  which "poor decisions" do we think he was referring to?

- Sacking Rafa?
- Appointing Roy Hodgson
- Buying a couple of sh!te 30 year olds with no resale value
- All of the above?


All of the above for me, it sounds like Hicks & Gillett done more damage than we are aware of and we are aware of a lot of damage they caused.
I dont think they will have been pleased about Carra getting that extended contract the day before they took over, they must also realise you dont go from a 2nd finish in the league followed by a 7th place finish something happened very bad for that to happen not just down to Alonso leaving and Rafa signing Aquilani out injured for most of the season, although you could say I dont think NESV would give a manager money for an injured player.  More bad buys on Roys part more wasted money on konchesky, Poulson & Cole who will cost in the region of 30 million on wages should they see out their contracts which I doubt none of them will.

On the Rafa front if they would have come in and sacked him it would have made them hugely unpopular with a lot of the fan base ecspecially if they had brought in Hodgson to replace him.  This decision did not make any sense on his away record and lack of trophys who ever made the call?

I was suprised when they took over and said they knew Roy from Fulham and rumours started surfacing about Roy in February add to the fact Danny Murphy bigging him up NESV got intouch about buying the club in May.
Maybe they where fed the wrong information about Roy even though they might not have hired him I believe they knew Rafa was getting sacked and Hodsgon was his replacement.

The jury is still out on them for me, I dont trust no one where the club is concerned not NESV fault but Moores, Parry, Gillett, Hicks & Purslows fault.  No groundshare, get a great manager in one that is not afraid and understands what our great club is all about, get rid of some of the sh!te players we have, and buy some great players and have us competing on all fronts then everyone will be happy.

[jacdaniel]

One of the biggest mistakes was Christian Purslow.  Even Roy admitted that Christian wanted a clear out during the summer.  So in the space of a year, Christian wanted to replace Rafa with Roy and wanted to clear out half of our players... the guy tried to take control of the club. 

Good post Ciggy

[Johnny Boy]

Watching it. These owners are totally different to the vermin. I think they will redevelop anfield. And thats what i believe the majority of what the fans want. I certainly do

True if it's possible, I just cannot see how they can add another 15,000 seats which is what we need as a minimum.

[roberto green]

I watched the replay of the questions and answer with the owners last night and I have to say I was really Impressed by them.

To me the fact that they aren't saying this and not saying that is a good sign, They seem very respectful towards our club and look like they are well and truly doing there homework to get out club on the front foot again.

John Henry seems a very deep thinking calm and collective man who when he comes to his conclusions will deliver what is needed, I believe they already have Roy's cards marked for him but are merely keeping hold of him while they do the rest of their homework.

They won't be throwing the money about like Man City etc are,  but I believe they are looking at the likes of Arsenal and Spurs where with the right manager you don't necessarily need loads of money to be successful because with the right manager and scouts in place the right sort of player for the right price of money will be brought to the club.

Like I say my conclusion of these new owners are that they are the real deal (I know it's hard after the last ones) because just listening to some of the homework they have been doing speaks volumes.

[Ben Patrick]

I dindt feel they backed Hodgson at all. Pretty much they inherited him and they stressed several times results where unacceptable. Almost ever caller wanted Hodgson dismissed. Wasnt too impressed with Ayre overall and the other two arent imposing or impressive figures so I just hope they are just calmly going business and will do the job. To be frank I still dont feel they understand the kind of money required to get us back up there and when asked where pretty evasive. Its all about opinion but based on that show I honestly dont feel Hodgson will be in post next year if not out this campaign.

Fair enough. But it doesnt look to me like theyre in any hurry to get rid of him and have pretty much wrote this season off.

They will be after tonight , if they didn't know before hand they certainly do know now what the fans feelings are towards our manager .

i got that impression from the way they were looking and nodding there head a little when fans were pointing out his away record and previous management record.

They didnt give much away at all but what can they at this stage really ?

[stmichael]

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[Thommo's perm]

I dindt feel they backed Hodgson at all. Pretty much they inherited him and they stressed several times results where unacceptable. Almost ever caller wanted Hodgson dismissed. Wasnt too impressed with Ayre overall and the other two arent imposing or impressive figures so I just hope they are just calmly going business and will do the job. To be frank I still dont feel they understand the kind of money required to get us back up there and when asked where pretty evasive. Its all about opinion but based on that show I honestly dont feel Hodgson will be in post next year if not out this campaign.

Fair enough. But it doesnt look to me like theyre in any hurry to get rid of him and have pretty much wrote this season off.

They will be after tonight , if they didn't know before hand they certainly do know now what the fans feelings are towards our manager .

i got that impression from the way they were looking and nodding there head a little when fans were pointing out his away record and previous management record.

They didnt give much away at all but what can they at this stage really ?

They are astute businessmen with successful sports ventures. They have done due dilligence and decided that buying the LFC "franchise" is a risk worth taking.
One of the most interesting and encouraging things is the way they realise that they must be careful not to upset the fans with false promises or sound bite bullsh'it.
Now, to be fair, do you really think that a couple of awkward questions from disgruntled fans will have any effect whatsoever about their opinion of the current manager? They will have already made their mind up about the absolute minimum he will have to do to stay in his job. And Im sure they are ruthless enough to carry out whatever decision is necessary to maximise the "franchise" long term.
What I saw and heard was two clever men telling us that they already have things in hand, whether Hodgson stays or not. And for this season at least, he stays.

[Ben Patrick]

In answer to your question mate, i think the owners will care massively what the fans opinions are and especially how vociferous the fans where last night.
The last thing they would want is the fans to be on their backs so early.
I am not saying this will have made them think lets just get rid of him, but if they were contemplating it and didnt realise how strong the fans thoughts are on the matter, it could easily tip the balance.

[Thommo's perm]

In answer to your question mate, i think the owners will care massively what the fans opinions are and especially how vociferous the fans where last night.
The last thing they would want is the fans to be on their backs so early.
I am not saying this will have made them think lets just get rid of him, but if they were contemplating it and didnt realise how strong the fans thoughts are on the matter, it could easily tip the balance.

My point is they didnt need that phone-in to realise that a fair amount of supporters dont want him, think hes out of his depth, hate him etc.
If they are as clever as they seem they will be well aware of the hysteria of some and will have already made their mind up no matter what anyone says.
I believe they will have collected opinions from all sides, not just from those who shout the loudest, and will have weighed up the options for the end of the season

[NANNY RED]

They came across ok, but still a wait and see for me, im not gonna be sucked in to early once again, First watch will be to see how the react in the summer tranfer window, the chrimbo one is always a bit dodgy , so ill wait and see how they go in the summer, Mind you i hope they suprise me by getting rid of Roy first ,

[LFC2007]

Not that it was new, but it was good to hear them re-iterate that we have to be more intelligent, and especialy in respect of our transfer dealings/wage structure. There was one bloke who called in to make a point about the level of wages a club like City are said to pay - he gave a figure of £250k p/w - implying that it was necessary to compete with those wage levels in order to be successful. Henry replied that i) we already have a big wage bill, and players on big wages who don't appear to justify their place at the club, and ii) the financial fair play rules will give us an advantage because of our revenue position and potential. In other words, there's significant scope for us to get greater value from within our existing wage structure (we have sh!te players on big wages), and second that we will be a lot more competitive under those new rules. No big promises ala Hicks and Gillett, just intelligent answers, now it's now just a matter of waiting to see what they actually do.

[tubby]

Happy to hear that Kenny will be playing a bigger role in the clubs future, whatever that pertains to. We need to seriously strengthen our squad though so ill wait till I see the colour of their money before singing their praises. I wish they would stop using the word franchise though.

[SouthCoastShankly]

[url=http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/paulkelso/100014576/liverpool-owners-john-w-henry-and-tom-werner-have-equal-say-at-anfield-but-insist-they-are
-no-hicks-and-gillett/]Telegraph - What NESV paid for Liverpool and board structure[/url]

Key points -

* NESV paid £217,778,550 for the equity in the club. They also assumed responsibility for debts to RBS of around £83m, taking the transaction value to a round £300m.

* Henry and Werner have an equal say in decision making at Anfield, sharing 50% of the voting rights in the company.

A spokesman for the club told the Daily Telegraph that the owners believe there will be no repeat of that situation despite the 50-50 split of voting rights.

* Structure -

Parent Company
UK Sports Ventures Holding Company Limited (KSV) (Directors: Edward Weiss, David Ginsberg)

Comprised of...

Anfield Arena Limited
Established by Hicks and Gillett which appears to be the vehicle for the stadium development.

Liverpool Football Club and Athletics Grounds Limited (LFCAG)
The football club business. Henry and Werner are both on the LFCAG board, and are joined by three long-standing American colleagues, Ginsberg, Michael Gordon and Jeffrey Vinik. According to the club none of them owns more than 10% of the equity.

[worcester_red]

[quote="SouthCoastShankly"][/quote]
Liverpool Football Club and Athletics Grounds Limited (LFCAG)
The football club business. Henry and Werner are both on the LFCAG board, and are joined by three long-standing American colleagues, Ginsberg, Michael Gordon and Jeffrey Vinik. According to the club none of them owns more than 10% of the equity.


If each of the five have 10% equity then who has the other 50%??

It seems that things are set up much better than under tw1t and tw@t though.