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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

yep, credit where it is due, they have made a lot of good decisions over the last 1-2 years, including when john henry flew 2000 miles across the atlantic just to speak at the hillsborough memorial at anfield.
well done john henry and fsg.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

yep, credit where it is due, they have made a lot of good decisions over the last 1-2 years, including when john henry flew 2000 miles across the atlantic just to speak at the hillsborough memorial at anfield.
well done john henry and fsg.

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[parchpea]

yep, credit where it is due, they have made a lot of good decisions over the last 1-2 years, including when john henry flew 2000 miles across the atlantic just to speak at the hillsborough memorial at anfield.
well done john henry and fsg.

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Barry Weiss from Storage Wars 

Been critical of FSG and feel at one point rightly so, they have learned from mistakes.

Possibly the best and worst deals in LFC history under their stewardship, Carroll and Suarez.

Really hope they back Rodgers in the next 2 windows because despite this huge investment in Suarez we need
a few more top class players, not boys like Aspas and Alberto, but class, big money first pick footballers.

FSG and Rodgers need to ensure our next few moves are bob on to elevate us into genuine top 4 material, not
just this year, but longer term, and fans would hope Suarez has had some promises on that score before
putting pen to paper on the contract.

[sgs]

Perhaps its time for FSG to make clear the extent of their ambition so that fans can in turn take their readings accordingly.

Back in the summer, the initial focus of transfer was in building the squad, hence Aspas, Alberto, Ilori. Following that, apart from Sakho and Mignolet, the team has been unable to secure any of its top choices for the first team. Now we have a situation where Johnson is out indefinitely, Enrique still injured, Lucas out, Flanagan and Allen recovering from injury.

If the team has so much trouble meeting its primary targets, then why bother spending first on players for the future?

A thing squad is now virtually threadbare...

[Red Focus]

We've just been outbid by Chelsea for M.Sallah of Basle, a brilliant attacking midfielder who would have further lighten up our attacking play. We were outbid by Chelsea because Brendan was too slow in his negotiations and this was partly due to his uncertainty of whether FSG would fund the signing. After Brendan's meeting with Henry before the Villa game, it was clear they gave him the green light but now with hindsight, the funds provided to sign Salah was a small one. Basle wanted at least in the region of 15 million and we only could afford just over half of that amount. Chelsea with the impending sale of Mata for 37 million have ample cash to buy Salah.

Now, I've said before and I will about to say it again, call me all sorts of derogatory and abusive terms again if you like, but I'm going to be blunt about my view of FSG. Those of you who are FSG lovers and think they are right in their mission for Liverpool, you better stay 10 miles away from me. The presence of Salah in our team would have further boost our chances of a top 4 finish and he would not have cost over 20M and yet Brendan was funded with a shoe string budget to bid for 7M and up to 11M at the most. I am sure they could afford the 15 or 16M wanted by Basle which to me is still worth it for a player of his attacking and goal scoring prowess. But not with FSG, they are so mean with funding in this window. They thought just because we could get Coutinho and Sturridge who were excellent buys for 8M and 12M respectively, we can get Salah for that amount as well. How wrong were they. They didn't realise those 2 were the rare exceptions rather than the norm for quality players. If they're going to be mean thinking we can get quality players on the cheap, they are in a fantasy land and not in the harsh reality of today's football. Many blame Rodgers for signing average players like Borini, Aspas, Alberto, Allen. Well, Rodgers originally wanted H.Mikhirtaryan, D.Costa, Willian who would have made a huge difference, but he was not well funded to get them. And I don't put it all to lack of CL football, look at Spurs in the summer window. They are not in CL and yet they could sign Soldaldo, Holtby, Paulinho, Ericksen all quality players, all because AVB was well funded.

I am not advocating having a sugar daddy as owners, though it helps tremendously and does have its risks, but you don't really need an oil tycoon to sign a quality attacking midfielder for 16 million. What ******s me off even more was, Salah had expressed his wish to come to Anfield. So, if FSG are going to continue to be mean, forget about CL football next season and to lose LS. I have lost my enthusiasm a bit in supporting Liverpool as we have owners who are reluctant to spend on the quality players that Brendan wants and we'll be hovering around 6th to 8th place in the table soon. We have Johnson, Enrique, Lucas out and Stevie is not getting younger. Right now, I just don't see how we're going to compete with Chelsea, City, Arsenal in getting good players in at all. 4th place will be difficult with these goon owners. Just because we are Liverpool doesn't mean we have the licence to get quality players and to challenge for the title. The past 23 seasons have proven it.

[kazza]

Living in the west end of London may also had something to do with it

[jacdaniel]

Why is everybody panicking so much?

We are 22 games into the season and we ARE 4th. 
We've been very good all season and have progressed so much from Jan 2013 - 2014.

Ok... so we have some injuries at the moment.  Should we just rush into the market and sign whatever is available? 
Perhaps we were going to pay for Salah but the injuries to Lucas and Johnson have forced us to stall? 

There is still quite a bit of time left in the window to do some business if we can.
And if we don't, we are still capable of finishing top 4.

[red till i die!!]

Why is everybody panicking so much?

We are 22 games into the season and we ARE 4th. 
We've been very good all season and have progressed so much from Jan 2013 - 2014.

Ok... so we have some injuries at the moment.  Should we just rush into the market and sign whatever is available? 
Perhaps we were going to pay for Salah but the injuries to Lucas and Johnson have forced us to stall? 

There is still quite a bit of time left in the window to do some business if we can.
And if we don't, we are still capable of finishing top 4.

not so sure people are panicking but there is some discontent and possibly disillusionment with the transfer window.
the squad has injuries and is now threadbare and we need to buy players but again heels are being dragged. losing out on another target to another prem club over a few million quid is damning of how we are doing business.
if we were going to pay for salah then we would have, we offered 8 they wanted 16 and he left for 11. then we decide to match it    after he's gone 
i dont think he should panic buy but maybe do a lot more in trying to secure the targets he wants.

[jacdaniel]

Why is everybody panicking so much?

We are 22 games into the season and we ARE 4th. 
We've been very good all season and have progressed so much from Jan 2013 - 2014.

Ok... so we have some injuries at the moment.  Should we just rush into the market and sign whatever is available? 
Perhaps we were going to pay for Salah but the injuries to Lucas and Johnson have forced us to stall? 

There is still quite a bit of time left in the window to do some business if we can.
And if we don't, we are still capable of finishing top 4.

not so sure people are panicking but there is some discontent and possibly disillusionment with the transfer window.
the squad has injuries and is now threadbare and we need to buy players but again heels are being dragged. losing out on another target to another prem club over a few million quid is damning of how we are doing business.
if we were going to pay for salah then we would have, we offered 8 they wanted 16 and he left for 11. then we decide to match it    after he's gone 
i dont think he should panic buy but maybe do a lot more in trying to secure the targets he wants.

For years people have complained about us overpaying though.  Johnson, Aquilaini, Keane, Downing, Carroll to name a few. 
Add Cole and Jovanovic due to their wages.

People even questioned the Sakho fee.  It sometimes seems like they just can't win unless we are linked with a class player and sign him for a reasonable fee on a fair wage and he rips up the PL in his first 3 months at the club.

[mkingdom]

Why is everybody panicking so much?

We are 22 games into the season and we ARE 4th. 
We've been very good all season and have progressed so much from Jan 2013 - 2014.

Ok... so we have some injuries at the moment.  Should we just rush into the market and sign whatever is available? 
Perhaps we were going to pay for Salah but the injuries to Lucas and Johnson have forced us to stall? 

There is still quite a bit of time left in the window to do some business if we can.
And if we don't, we are still capable of finishing top 4.

We are 4th, just, and having a wobble in form.

We have 15 fit players. We have lost our only established DM for at least 6 weeks, and have two fit CMs (assuming Allen is injured again). We will not have our 2 first choice FBs for many weeks to come.

The teams around us are strengthening or are about to.

We are about to play our current closest rival in the Prem.

I am not saying anyone should panic, but I'd like to think the club recognise the above, and attempt to reinforce the squad in a better manner than they appear to have done with Salah.

[Red Focus]

Just look at the 3 teams above us now as I am typing, Arsenal, City, Chelsea. The teams below us, Spurs, Everton and manure. Out of these 7 teams, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and manure have the financial muscles to back their managers with the cash for the players he needs. Brendan, as far as I can see does not have this luxury.

How can we win the league or finish in top 4? Answer, Brendan's tactics and management styles has to be much more superior than those richer clubs. In my opinion, Brendan can match even the best of those managers. So what is the next critieria to decide whether Brendan can finish above all of them? It's the clubs' owners willingness to invest. Can our owners match the owners of  1 City, 2.Chelsea, 3.Arsenal, 4.Spurs and 5.manure ability to spend? NO NO NO. Our owners are knocked down flat by theirs. Those 5 clubs now have deeper and stronger squads than us thanks to their owners though their managers may not necessary be that much better than Brendan. Thus we should finish 6th or worse 7th this season if Everton can pip us for 6th which is possible.

Having the best PL strikers in your team is not good enough if the midfield is not good enough to support them and our defence and goalkeeper committing howlers after howlers. What is the solution? It is to change to richer owners. I'm not talking about owners who will simply throw away 50M in a heartbeat on a sulking bloke who has past his prime, I'm talking about owners who is willing to fund the manager with the asking price of 16M for an attacking midfielder from Basel. You don't need a Roman Abromowich to do that. I feel that, unless FSG open up their wallot more, there is no future under them, period. We shall continue to finish somewhere from 6th to 8th every season, 5th at the very best.

[only me]

Just look at the 3 teams above us now as I am typing, Arsenal, City, Chelsea. The teams below us, Spurs, Everton and manure. Out of these 7 teams, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and manure have the financial muscles to back their managers with the cash for the players he needs. Brendan, as far as I can see does not have this luxury.

How can we win the league or finish in top 4? Answer, Brendan's tactics and management styles has to be much more superior than those richer clubs. In my opinion, Brendan can match even the best of those managers. So what is the next critieria to decide whether Brendan can finish above all of them? It's the clubs' owners willingness to invest. Can our owners match the owners of  1 City, 2.Chelsea, 3.Arsenal, 4.Spurs and 5.manure ability to spend? NO NO NO. Our owners are knocked down flat by theirs. Those 5 clubs now have deeper and stronger squads than us thanks to their owners though their managers may not necessary be that much better than Brendan. Thus we should finish 6th or worse 7th this season if Everton can pip us for 6th which is possible.

Having the best PL strikers in your team is not good enough if the midfield is not good enough to support them and our defence and goalkeeper committing howlers after howlers. What is the solution? It is to change to richer owners. I'm not talking about owners who will simply throw away 50M in a heartbeat on a sulking bloke who has past his prime, I'm talking about owners who is willing to fund the manager with the asking price of 16M for an attacking midfielder from Basel. You don't need a Roman Abromowich to do that. I feel that, unless FSG open up their wallot more, there is no future under them, period. We shall continue to finish somewhere from 6th to 8th every season, 5th at the very best.

I think this is exactly what you have in FSG...The problem is that you spend you money on the Aspas ,Borini ,Alberto's ,Allen ,Assaidi, Ilori... and got no return.. You had the funds to buy quality but instead you spent it on mediocrity..We can succeed with our current owners we just need BR and his supporting Cast of Talent/Scouters/negotiators to step up and perform. They are shiite for the moment.

[woof woof !]

Why is everybody panicking so much?

We are 22 games into the season and we ARE 4th. 
We've been very good all season and have progressed so much from Jan 2013 - 2014.

Ok... so we have some injuries at the moment.  Should we just rush into the market and sign whatever is available? 
Perhaps we were going to pay for Salah but the injuries to Lucas and Johnson have forced us to stall? 

There is still quite a bit of time left in the window to do some business if we can.
And if we don't, we are still capable of finishing top 4.

not so sure people are panicking but there is some discontent and possibly disillusionment with the transfer window.
the squad has injuries and is now threadbare and we need to buy players but again heels are being dragged. losing out on another target to another prem club over a few million quid is damning of how we are doing business.
if we were going to pay for salah then we would have, we offered 8 they wanted 16 and he left for 11. then we decide to match it    after he's gone 
i dont think he should panic buy but maybe do a lot more in trying to secure the targets he wants.

Not convinced that given the role he plays Salah was a player we needed when there are others area's of the team that are desperately in need of strengthening/improvement so I'm not too bothered that we didn't get him. What is more galling to me is the manner in which a player we have targeted is yet again so easily taken away from us.

People may not be panicking but personally I'll admit to getting increasingly concerned about our prospects for the rest of the season. In the space of four weeks, from being a side at the top of the table and looking comfortably nailed on for a CL place (with some optimists even suggesting we could win the prem) we've gone to a team that's going to have a hell of a fight on it's hands just to stay in contention for the 4th spot and this with a growing list of injured first team players and no sign of much needed reinforcements being brought in.
After early optimism the creeping realisation that we may not finish in the top four and the fact that we'll find it impossible to hold onto Luis if we fail to qualify for the CL is perhaps the reason why some of us whilst not panicking are beginning to get a little twitchy .

[friendlyguy33]

Even when we were top on 23rd December there was only six points separating first and sixth and only another two points to United who were seventh. The gap was thirteen points at the same stage between first and seventh in season 2012-2013 and seventeen points at the same stage in season 2011-2012.

My point is that given how difficult those two away games were over Christmas even if we'd taken two draws from those games and beaten VIlla we would still only be fourth with forty eight points only five clear of Spurs.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Even when we were top on 23rd December there was only six points separating first and sixth and only another two points to United who were seventh. The gap was thirteen points at the same stage between first and seventh in season 2012-2013 and seventeen points at the same stage in season 2011-2012.

My point is that given how difficult those two away games were over Christmas even if we'd taken two draws from those games and beaten VIlla we would still only be fourth with forty eight points only five clear of Spurs.

You say 'only' 5 points ahead of spurs, that is a decent lead, and you seem to have forgotten that if we drew against City and Chelsea then you'd have to take 2 points from the totals they have now.
That would mean -

1. Arsenal.       51. Points
2. Man City.     48. Points
3. Liverpool.    48. points
4. Chelsea.      47. Points

5. Spurs.          43. Points

If we had managed to draw against city and chelsea and beaten villa we'd be still right in the title race and would have a decent cushion for 4th.