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[Dalglish]

Apologies Saint................ The figures are what he has spent in the TWO transfer windows since Hicks and Gillet took over.

An oversight on my part.

No problems mate, one thing I would like your opinion on, do you still think Rafa can win the league with Liverpool?

I know he will win cups with Liverpool, but the League?

The honest answer or the diplomatic one ! 

The nearest to the truth in my mind is "I DON'T KNOW !

But what I am sure about is that whilst Rafa Benitez is the manager of Liverpool Football Club he gets my support both as a fan and out of respect for the man and what he HAS achieved at this club.

The alternative is to tout for his successor and that makes me no better than Hicks or Gillet who appear to have been doing that in secret until they they got found out. I find it amazing that fans can castigate Benitez and ponder on who they would like to succeed him then wax lyrically and indigantly at Hicks and Gillet.

Criticise the manger all you want but calling him a Spanish C***, A Spanish Waiter or hoping we get knocked out the CL so it speeds his departure is rank behaviour and not becoming of all that I have grown to know and love about our supporters...............

[NANNY RED]

Enough already.  Let's have Mourinho - can't believe I'm saying it but it will work.

No it wont because unless he could compete finacialy he wouldnt last six months hed walk . loyalty and respect for this club and Raffa has shown that lets show him some back,

As far as im concerned while Raffa is our manager i will support him

[account deleted by request]

Enough already.  Let's have Mourinho - can't believe I'm saying it but it will work.

No it wont because unless he could compete finacialy he wouldnt last six months hed walk

He didn't have the money at Porto Nanny, he won the title and the CL while he was there. Knocked out the mancs too, with all their money.

I feel a little ashamed or maybe just embarressed saying this after Dalglish's great reply, but if Rafa does go, I would want Mourinho, if for nothing more than the "quick fix" I think he would give us.

[Dalglish]

[No it wont because unless he could compete finacialy he wouldnt last six months hed walk

He didn't have the money at Porto Nanny, he won the title and the CL while he was there. Knocked out the mancs too, with all their money.

I feel a little ashamed or maybe just embarressed saying this after Dalglish's great reply, but if Rafa does go, I would want Mourinho, if for nothing more than the "quick fix" I think he would give us.[/quote]
You should keep "some" opinions to yourself   

The point about Maureen's reign at Porto (A 2 Club League by the way ) is valid. You should have stopped there ........ 

[NANNY RED]

Enough already.  Let's have Mourinho - can't believe I'm saying it but it will work.

No it wont because unless he could compete finacialy he wouldnt last six months hed walk

He didn't have the money at Porto Nanny, he won the title and the CL while he was there. Knocked out the mancs too, with all their money.

I feel a little ashamed or maybe just embarressed saying this after Dalglish's great reply, but if Rafa does go, I would want Mourinho, if for nothing more than the "quick fix" I think he would give us.

Saint i dont think hes the great manager everyone seems to think he his Chelsea seem to be doing ok without him and are playing better football than when he was there.

If he is so special how come hes still unemployed no one has asked him to be there manager

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Here's the old money arguement again. I'm getting bored of it to be honest. Does money stop at the top three? If it does fair enough, if it's the same rule for the rest of the Premiership and footballing world then it's a load of bollox. We've spent more than Everton but they're above us. Spurs and Newcastle spend more than us but we finish above them. Sunderland have spent massively compared to the rest of their rivals, but still find themselves in a relegation fight. QPR have been bought by a man richer than Ambrovich, yet aren't even the Championship's top half. Stoke don't have two pennies to rub together yet are top (maybe second now, not sure on goal difference, certainly same points as Watford) of the Championship.

Now for Benitez personally. One thing I hear about him is this "he broke the monopoly of Barcelona and Real Madrid with Valencia" Now I don't know Spanish football all that well, so forgive me if I'm a little out here. But Barcelona and Real Madrid spent close to 50 million every season correct? Like Chelsea and United do now correct? So if he can win the league with Valencia under similar circumstances (from what I've gathered) to what he has here, where's the difference? Those who support Benitez constantly bring up his Valencia days, well can they answer me that?

Don't want to sound impatient boys, girls and nanny 

But can somebody answer the question I've asked at the bottom please, if not then promise me that you'll stop using money as an excuse.

[big al]

god_bless_john_houlding like you I know very liitle about Valencia so I won't try to answer your points there maybe someone else can.  As for Liverpool it is boring taliking about Money but It really dose matter in this circumstance.  Arsenal and Man U have had some outstanding talent who came through their youth systems. without those home grown players they would be in trouble.  Wenger made a small fortune out of Anelka. It was this money and Liam Brady who along with Wengers contacts were able to bring in players that very few of us had heard of.  Lets everyone here be honest, so if anyone here knew anything about Wengers current team before he but them, I dont believe you ( William Gallas excluded) The Manc's in the last few years have bought big players and the youth policy is'nt as good as it was when Ferguson was in full control.  People forget that Fergie in his early days went around youngsters doors to get their parents to let them sign for him, Today he can buy pretty much whoever he likes.  Last year Rafa took total control of Liverpool including dumping Steve Heighway.  Rafa now controls the purchase of all players. he has bought at 16 youngsters who he thinks are the future of the club.  Big foreign players don't come easily to Liverpool yet he cant buy English lads because when he tries he has to pay a fortune. The result As JBG has said he has had to buy mediocre players.  I am no less disappoint with raf's preformance as anyone else here but I don't think it matters. he's out unless he can win the Champions league. I don't excuse rafas attitude Im just trying to understand it nad talking out loud. So Im sorry if I offend anyone I not trying to.

[NANNY RED]

Here's the old money arguement again. I'm getting bored of it to be honest. Does money stop at the top three? If it does fair enough, if it's the same rule for the rest of the Premiership and footballing world then it's a load of bollox. We've spent more than Everton but they're above us. Spurs and Newcastle spend more than us but we finish above them. Sunderland have spent massively compared to the rest of their rivals, but still find themselves in a relegation fight. QPR have been bought by a man richer than Ambrovich, yet aren't even the Championship's top half. Stoke don't have two pennies to rub together yet are top (maybe second now, not sure on goal difference, certainly same points as Watford) of the Championship.

Now for Benitez personally. One thing I hear about him is this "he broke the monopoly of Barcelona and Real Madrid with Valencia" Now I don't know Spanish football all that well, so forgive me if I'm a little out here. But Barcelona and Real Madrid spent close to 50 million every season correct? Like Chelsea and United do now correct? So if he can win the league with Valencia under similar circumstances (from what I've gathered) to what he has here, where's the difference? Those who support Benitez constantly bring up his Valencia days, well can they answer me that?

Don't want to sound impatient boys, girls and nanny 

But can somebody answer the question I've asked at the bottom please, if not then promise me that you'll stop using money as an excuse.

That Valencia team John played with what we used to see hear passion. You didnt have big time Charlies who only worry how much is in the wage packet . Yes he had a few top players there particular at that time vincente but from my recolection they played for each other and were a good football side to watch

[account deleted by request]

Enough already.  Let's have Mourinho - can't believe I'm saying it but it will work.

No it wont because unless he could compete finacialy he wouldnt last six months hed walk

He didn't have the money at Porto Nanny, he won the title and the CL while he was there. Knocked out the mancs too, with all their money.

I feel a little ashamed or maybe just embarressed saying this after Dalglish's great reply, but if Rafa does go, I would want Mourinho, if for nothing more than the "quick fix" I think he would give us.

Saint i dont think hes the great manager everyone seems to think he his Chelsea seem to be doing ok without him and are playing better football than when he was there.

If he is so special how come hes still unemployed no one has asked him to be there manager

He can't sign for an English club until the end of the season, and all the other big clubs around Europe will wait till they have nothing to play for, or the end of the season before changing manager.

Besides which he always said he wanted to manage Liverpool, in fact he said he would rather manage Liverpool than Chelsea. (shortly before he became Chelsea manager    )

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Here's the old money arguement again. I'm getting bored of it to be honest. Does money stop at the top three? If it does fair enough, if it's the same rule for the rest of the Premiership and footballing world then it's a load of bollox. We've spent more than Everton but they're above us. Spurs and Newcastle spend more than us but we finish above them. Sunderland have spent massively compared to the rest of their rivals, but still find themselves in a relegation fight. QPR have been bought by a man richer than Ambrovich, yet aren't even the Championship's top half. Stoke don't have two pennies to rub together yet are top (maybe second now, not sure on goal difference, certainly same points as Watford) of the Championship.

Now for Benitez personally. One thing I hear about him is this "he broke the monopoly of Barcelona and Real Madrid with Valencia" Now I don't know Spanish football all that well, so forgive me if I'm a little out here. But Barcelona and Real Madrid spent close to 50 million every season correct? Like Chelsea and United do now correct? So if he can win the league with Valencia under similar circumstances (from what I've gathered) to what he has here, where's the difference? Those who support Benitez constantly bring up his Valencia days, well can they answer me that?

Don't want to sound impatient boys, girls and nanny 

But can somebody answer the question I've asked at the bottom please, if not then promise me that you'll stop using money as an excuse.

That Valencia team John played with what we used to see hear passion. You didnt have big time Charlies who only worry how much is in the wage packet . Yes he had a few top players there particular at that time vincente but from my recolection they played for each other and were a good football side to watch

So sod all to do with money nanny? My point proven *taps himself on head* 

No I wasn't just trying to prove a point, but it's a sensible arguement to those who blame money. I think we can sweep this under the carpet now.

[NANNY RED]

Here's the old money arguement again. I'm getting bored of it to be honest. Does money stop at the top three? If it does fair enough, if it's the same rule for the rest of the Premiership and footballing world then it's a load of bollox. We've spent more than Everton but they're above us. Spurs and Newcastle spend more than us but we finish above them. Sunderland have spent massively compared to the rest of their rivals, but still find themselves in a relegation fight. QPR have been bought by a man richer than Ambrovich, yet aren't even the Championship's top half. Stoke don't have two pennies to rub together yet are top (maybe second now, not sure on goal difference, certainly same points as Watford) of the Championship.

Now for Benitez personally. One thing I hear about him is this "he broke the monopoly of Barcelona and Real Madrid with Valencia" Now I don't know Spanish football all that well, so forgive me if I'm a little out here. But Barcelona and Real Madrid spent close to 50 million every season correct? Like Chelsea and United do now correct? So if he can win the league with Valencia under similar circumstances (from what I've gathered) to what he has here, where's the difference? Those who support Benitez constantly bring up his Valencia days, well can they answer me that?

Don't want to sound impatient boys, girls and nanny 

But can somebody answer the question I've asked at the bottom please, if not then promise me that you'll stop using money as an excuse.

That Valencia team John played with what we used to see hear passion. You didnt have big time Charlies who only worry how much is in the wage packet . Yes he had a few top players there particular at that time vincente but from my recolection they played for each other and were a good football side to watch

So sod all to do with money nanny? My point proven *taps himself on head* 

No I wasn't just trying to prove a point, but it's a sensible arguement to those who blame money. I think we can sweep this under the carpet now.

But you can also count on Ayala . Aimar . Barracas what ever his name is and a couple of other world class players . And rotated them yet the reason he left was finance, He made a fantastic quote when he said i asked for a table and they brought me a lampshade, that was when he was only given money for second rate players when he tried to stenghten the team.
 

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Here's the old money arguement again. I'm getting bored of it to be honest. Does money stop at the top three? If it does fair enough, if it's the same rule for the rest of the Premiership and footballing world then it's a load of bollox. We've spent more than Everton but they're above us. Spurs and Newcastle spend more than us but we finish above them. Sunderland have spent massively compared to the rest of their rivals, but still find themselves in a relegation fight. QPR have been bought by a man richer than Ambrovich, yet aren't even the Championship's top half. Stoke don't have two pennies to rub together yet are top (maybe second now, not sure on goal difference, certainly same points as Watford) of the Championship.

Now for Benitez personally. One thing I hear about him is this "he broke the monopoly of Barcelona and Real Madrid with Valencia" Now I don't know Spanish football all that well, so forgive me if I'm a little out here. But Barcelona and Real Madrid spent close to 50 million every season correct? Like Chelsea and United do now correct? So if he can win the league with Valencia under similar circumstances (from what I've gathered) to what he has here, where's the difference? Those who support Benitez constantly bring up his Valencia days, well can they answer me that?

Don't want to sound impatient boys, girls and nanny 

But can somebody answer the question I've asked at the bottom please, if not then promise me that you'll stop using money as an excuse.

That Valencia team John played with what we used to see hear passion. You didnt have big time Charlies who only worry how much is in the wage packet . Yes he had a few top players there particular at that time vincente but from my recolection they played for each other and were a good football side to watch

So sod all to do with money nanny? My point proven *taps himself on head* 

No I wasn't just trying to prove a point, but it's a sensible arguement to those who blame money. I think we can sweep this under the carpet now.

But you can also count on Ayala . Aimar . Barracas what ever his name is and a couple of other world class players . And rotated them yet the reason he left was finance, He made a fantastic quote when he said i asked for a table and they brought me a lampshade, that was when he was only given money for second rate players when he tried to stenghten the team.
 

I can accept that nanny, but he won the league without the financial backing that Barce and Madrid had, that's the point I'm making. He can do it against those money spending giants, but he can't win the league over here because we're outspent. That's their reason anyway.

[NANNY RED]

Enough already.  Let's have Mourinho - can't believe I'm saying it but it will work.

No it wont because unless he could compete finacialy he wouldnt last six months hed walk

He didn't have the money at Porto Nanny, he won the title and the CL while he was there. Knocked out the mancs too, with all their money.

I feel a little ashamed or maybe just embarressed saying this after Dalglish's great reply, but if Rafa does go, I would want Mourinho, if for nothing more than the "quick fix" I think he would give us.

Saint i dont think hes the great manager everyone seems to think he his Chelsea seem to be doing ok without him and are playing better football than when he was there.

If he is so special how come hes still unemployed no one has asked him to be there manager

He can't sign for an English club until the end of the season, and all the other big clubs around Europe will wait till they have nothing to play for, or the end of the season before changing manager.

Besides which he always said he wanted to manage Liverpool, in fact he said he would rather manage Liverpool than Chelsea. (shortly before he became Chelsea manager    )

Theres your loyalty right there. And when he did come in for a little bit of stick while he was at Chelsea and got told he wasnt the big eye am what did he do bye bye. Can you imagine him taking the stick that Raffa has from the yanks and still being here. Not a chance, concentrate on coaching you team and all the sneaky dealings being done behind his back he would of been at Speak Airport so quick you wouldnt have seen his overcoat for dust.

I go sick Saint at the very thought of him being in charge of our team id sooner have the drunk up the M62 

[Toffeehater]

Enough already.  Let's have Mourinho - can't believe I'm saying it but it will work.

No it wont because unless he could compete finacialy he wouldnt last six months hed walk

He didn't have the money at Porto Nanny, he won the title and the CL while he was there. Knocked out the mancs too, with all their money.

I feel a little ashamed or maybe just embarressed saying this after Dalglish's great reply, but if Rafa does go, I would want Mourinho, if for nothing more than the "quick fix" I think he would give us.

Saint i dont think hes the great manager everyone seems to think he his Chelsea seem to be doing ok without him and are playing better football than when he was there.

If he is so special how come hes still unemployed no one has asked him to be there manager

He can't come back to english football till next season due to a clause in his pay off . ALso , clubs are waiting till the end of the season before approaching him , he mgiht go to barcelona or Ac milan and then there's always us Liverpool in the contention for mourinho . Not my first choice , i'd prefer luis felipe scolari who plays all out attacking football , but mourinho would be a good enough second choice

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Mourinho is a bigger long ball merchant than Benitez, when I go to a footy game I expect to be entertained, throwing the ball 50 yards up the pitch shows no entertainment. It's talentless and it's boring. No way Jose

Any manager who can get Liverpool playing pass and move again gets my vote. Bring back Roy Evans if need be