Momo sissoko.

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Postby SJD » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:03 pm

Ahhh the rise and decline of Momo Sissoko - all in the space of a season.  :suspect:

  Last year our Malian warrior was earning rave reviews from pundits and fans alike with his destoyer style of play and his ability to cover every blade of grass. He was new to the club, from a different culture, from a different league but he took to this league like a duck out of water. His attributes suited this league very well and still does. He's a work horse first and foremost. If you look at us playing, wherever the ball is you can guarantee Momo is not more than 5 metres away from it. He follows the ball like no other player and seems to never get tired of it. He harrasses, chases and generally makes life on the football field very uncomfortable for the opposition during those 90 mins of playing time. His stamina seems to hold no bounds and his tackling, although sometimes a little naive, generally gets the job done. He's not this box to box midfielder some make out, his short passing is woeful and I don't think I have ever seen him try a long pass, his on the balls skills are also very average along with his decision making. How many times have you seen Momo with the ball running at the opposition and he waits too long to release the ball or have a go and he gets tackled? Neither is he just a defensive midfielder. His defensive skills are good but he either lacks the ability to hold the midfield line/position OR Rafa asks him to play like he does. For me the perfect way to describe the job Momo does for us is "ball winning midfielder".

  He's the guy who does all the dirty work, chasing harrying etc to get the ball back for our team to play with, and he is very good at it. In the early part of the season just after we lost Momo, I went to watch us V Bordeux in the group stage at home. I think it that game, it was Xabi and Gerrard in the middle and although Bordeux are a good team, there not up there with Europes elite and the way they were passing it round us made them look like Barcelona. It took us far too long to get  the ball back and it showed me how much this team could miss Momo and his ball winning expertise. I think the early comparisions with Viera are a bit wide of the mark, they are both tough, tall, physical players who come from African descent, thats where the similarities end for me. Viera was much more of a technical midfielder, he could pass, shoot and was generally better with the ball. Can Momo learn these skills? Its possible, he's only 21 at the moment and playing and training with the likes of Stevie and Xabi week in, week out will mean he will only get better and better. But to be the next Viera? Nah not for me.


  It seems, no actually the ONLY reason Momo's position in the first team is being put in serious doubt is the signing and emergence of one , Javier Maschereno. I don't really know the full details behind the whole West Ham saga but this lad was one of the stars of the worst World Cup in recent memory. Big praise, but considering the so called "big guns" failed to fire in any fashion at the World Cup and the way he played for Argentina its fully justified. He was there at the age of 22, practically running the game for one of the best footballing nations in the world. Every time they got the ball, the ball went through Maschereno, win the ball, pass to Javier, throw in, pass to Javier. I was estastic when we signed him and I hope he goes on to become a very important player for this club. He came in and took a while to get fit but since Rafa put him in the first team, he's practically stayed there through his performances. He is a defensive minded midfielder much in the same mould as Makalele. He sits there in front of the defence and is quite happy just mopping up the loose balls etc. His tackling is one of the best in the squad from what I've seen, and he has the ability and the discipline to sit there and just clean up any possible breaks or attacks by the opposition. I am very pleased with how he has done so far like most Liverpool fans. A few months ago if you would've suggested that Momo might not be a first choice in our first eleven, people would've heckled, laughed and told you wise up. However now with the emergence of Maschereno, and the revival of the solidity that we had at the  end of last year, it seems that question is now a major headache for Rafa and fans alike.

Is Momo first choice? For me it depends on the situations surrounding the match - fitness, opposition, conditions etc.

Is Momo good enough to always be considered for first team action? Deffo, what he does he does very well and I suspect he will soon be part of the furniture in a successful Liverpool side.

Next season is going to be very interesting in the centre of our midfield.....
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Postby Stu.Murph » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:08 pm

SJD wrote:Ahhh the rise and decline of Momo Sissoko - all in the space of a season.  :suspect:

  Last year our Malian warrior was earning rave reviews from pundits and fans alike with his destoyer style of play and his ability to cover every blade of grass. He was new to the club, from a different culture, from a different league but he took to this league like a duck out of water. His attributes suited this league very well and still does. He's a work horse first and foremost. If you look at us playing, wherever the ball is you can guarantee Momo is not more than 5 metres away from it. He follows the ball like no other player and seems to never get tired of it. He harrasses, chases and generally makes life on the football field very uncomfortable for the opposition during those 90 mins of playing time. His stamina seems to hold no bounds and his tackling, although sometimes a little naive, generally gets the job done. He's not this box to box midfielder some make out, his short passing is woeful and I don't think I have ever seen him try a long pass, his on the balls skills are also very average along with his decision making. How many times have you seen Momo with the ball running at the opposition and he waits too long to release the ball or have a go and he gets tackled? Neither is he just a defensive midfielder. His defensive skills are good but he either lacks the ability to hold the midfield line/position OR Rafa asks him to play like he does. For me the perfect way to describe the job Momo does for us is "ball winning midfielder".

  He's the guy who does all the dirty work, chasing harrying etc to get the ball back for our team to play with, and he is very good at it. In the early part of the season just after we lost Momo, I went to watch us V Bordeux in the group stage at home. I think it that game, it was Xabi and Gerrard in the middle and although Bordeux are a good team, there not up there with Europes elite and the way they were passing it round us made them look like Barcelona. It took us far too long to get  the ball back and it showed me how much this team could miss Momo and his ball winning expertise. I think the early comparisions with Viera are a bit wide of the mark, they are both tough, tall, physical players who come from African descent, thats where the similarities end for me. Viera was much more of a technical midfielder, he could pass, shoot and was generally better with the ball. Can Momo learn these skills? Its possible, he's only 21 at the moment and playing and training with the likes of Stevie and Xabi week in, week out will mean he will only get better and better. But to be the next Viera? Nah not for me.


  It seems, no actually the ONLY reason Momo's position in the first team is being put in serious doubt is the signing and emergence of one , Javier Maschereno. I don't really know the full details behind the whole West Ham saga but this lad was one of the stars of the worst World Cup in recent memory. Big praise, but considering the so called "big guns" failed to fire in any fashion at the World Cup and the way he played for Argentina its fully justified. He was there at the age of 22, practically running the game for one of the best footballing nations in the world. Every time they got the ball, the ball went through Maschereno, win the ball, pass to Javier, throw in, pass to Javier. I was estastic when we signed him and I hope he goes on to become a very important player for this club. He came in and took a while to get fit but since Rafa put him in the first team, he's practically stayed there through his performances. He is a defensive minded midfielder much in the same mould as Makalele. He sits there in front of the defence and is quite happy just mopping up the loose balls etc. His tackling is one of the best in the squad from what I've seen, and he has the ability and the discipline to sit there and just clean up any possible breaks or attacks by the opposition. I am very pleased with how he has done so far like most Liverpool fans. A few months ago if you would've suggested that Momo might not be a first choice in our first eleven, people would've heckled, laughed and told you wise up. However now with the emergence of Maschereno, and the revival of the solidity that we had at the  end of last year, it seems that question is now a major headache for Rafa and fans alike.

Is Momo first choice? For me it depends on the situations surrounding the match - fitness, opposition, conditions etc.

Is Momo good enough to always be considered for first team action? Deffo, what he does he does very well and I suspect he will soon be part of the furniture in a successful Liverpool side.

Next season is going to be very interesting in the centre of our midfield.....

Oooh a newbie with something to say. Not read your post, will do in a second, good to see someone has the balls to come on here and post more than a smiley.

There is another thread on Sissoko on one of these pages thats bigger than this, I suggest you might want to read through that, some interesting stuff in there... especially the names I got called early on after him signing for us. Also you'll get to see what a big headed :censored: I am...

Then again ya might not want to in which case :censored: off. :D
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Postby Sabre » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:09 pm

Excellent post SJD.
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Postby jaytoothetee » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:13 pm

Owzat wrote:I just checked out the stats on winning the Premiership and goalscoring. EIGHT out of the previous fourteen Premiership titles have been won by the team that scored the most goals. Only once has the team winning the title not been at least second top scorer. Liverpool's best Premiership scoring total was 71 in 2000/01 and while defensively Rafa has sorted Liverpool out, we need more goals. As Sissoko can't score and is at times not great with his passing then I think we need to rethink playing him and some of Rafa's defensive approaches. I think the defence is pretty solid, the pros of playing Sissoko probably outweighed by the cons.

Goals Scored/Conceded

FOR

With Sissoko - 110 goals in 71 games (1.55 goals/game)
Without Sissoko - 79 goals in 43 games (1.84 goals/game)

AGAINST

With Sissoko - 57 goals in 71 games (0.80 goals/game)
Without Sissoko - 31 goals in 43 games (0.72 goals/game)

Obviously some of that will be down to quality of opposition and approach. He's played all six games against Chelsea away or in Cardiff and we lost 4-1 in his only home game against them. He's played all the games against the mancs but just once against Arsenal so there is a mixed bag of opponents and results

although those stats do make interesting reading, i don't think it reflects on momo's contribution to the team. a more insightful thing to see with regards to momo's input would be the percentage of possession that the opposition have with and without momo, but i doubt anyone will have the time to find that information. what it would show though, is whether momo's ball winning earns us more possession, or his poor ball retention may actually harm our possession. like i said, i doubt anyone will be able to find those stats and it would require a lot of effort, but it would make interesting reading
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Postby SJD » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:20 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:Oooh a newbie with something to say. Not read your post, will do in a second, good to see someone has the balls to come on here and post more than a smiley.


Whats with the whole newbie thing? I seen someone said the newbies get bashed or something in the Chelsea thread? FWIW some of the "newbies" posts are not the best.

"lets sign messi"

"lets change all the players in the squad bar gerrard"

Stu.Murph wrote:There is another thread on Sissoko on one of these pages thats bigger than this, I suggest you might want to read through that, some interesting stuff in there... especially the names I got called early on after him signing for us. Also you'll get to see what a big headed :censored: I am...

Then again ya might not want to in which case :censored: off. :D


I won't fu.ck off just yet - its seem sound round here for now. And you find the Sissoko post for us ( I'm sh.ite at looking for things ) and then I'll call you a big headed tw.at.
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Postby Stu.Murph » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:46 pm

I'm a bit aggressive lad don't get on the wrong side of me... :cool:

:laugh: I'll drag the thread up now, still haven't read your post due to watching females on webcam and chatting to metalhead...

More so watching females on cam (no offense metalhead). :laugh:
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Postby alxy » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:54 am

I cannot see how (unless he is injured) Momo cannot start against Chelsea. It will likely be Momo-Masch-Alonso in the middle with Gerrard on the right. Alonso is needed to pull the strings and open up Chelsea while Momo-Masch are expected to break down their wingers and attacks.
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:11 am

Stu.Murph wrote:I'm a bit aggressive lad don't get on the wrong side of me... :cool:

:laugh: I'll drag the thread up now, still haven't read your post due to watching females on webcam and chatting to metalhead...

More so watching females on cam (no offense metalhead). :laugh:

Get a woman you seedy slime ball you.

































Second thoughts, you couldnt lend us your webcam could ya ?
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Postby Red_Freak » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:53 am

If you think about, Momo said that the vision in one eye is poor. How poor? If you closed one eye, especially on a pitch, it would make you see players in a slightly different position to where they actually are. Now say if his vision in one eye is still quite blurred that could have the same effect and that is why his basic passing has been below par recently.

But I can't understand why people are getting on Sissoko's back. The man has proven himself to be a Gladiator. And even though Stevie Gerrard grabbed all the headlines in the final last season, I think Momo had his best game for us in that final. Every part of the pitch was covered and he was an inspiration to those around him.

I personally think alot of people have just been waiting for Momo to lose form so they can finally have a "logical" reason to play Stevie in the centre. Would it be such a big deal if both players were foreign? Perhaps not. So is it Racism on the behalf of many football pundits that manipulate many Liverpool fans? No, I would't go as far as that. I think it's just plain sickening favouritism by the media. Never underestimate the power of the media to manipulate, they managed to "persuade" every Premiership player that Rio Ferdinand was better than Terry, Carragher and Carvahlo!!!!!
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Postby lio » Sun May 27, 2007 12:41 pm

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Mohamed Sissoko has revealed his will have talks about his Liverpool future with manager Rafa Benitez.

Sky.Sports

Just early this season, there were so much cheers and prospects here about his future with us. But sadly midway, his eye gave problem and then out of nothing came mascherano. Momo himself must have felt treatened today, sad.
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Postby Simari » Sun May 27, 2007 12:56 pm

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Postby kunilson » Mon May 28, 2007 1:08 pm

now whether this will add to speculation that he is leaving or not, he could now be used as a bargaining tool. I for one would want him to stay at Anfield, but if he's not happy being a backup then there's really not much any1 can do......important weeks ahead.
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Postby iano » Mon May 28, 2007 1:40 pm

i reckon he isnt much of  good player anymore. he's talents are overshadowed by mascherano and xabi along and probably now with the new addition of levia. If a good offer around 15 mil ( i think thats what juve are willing to offer) rafa shud strongly consider cashing in on him and using the extra funds to get those top players like tevez :D
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Postby Penguins » Mon May 28, 2007 8:39 pm

Well, if he demands 1st team football like before for him to stay then I'm afraid he needs to leave.

He is 4h choice, and will stay that until masch gets injured.
Momo could maybe turn his game around but he will be backup if he stays next season nothing else.
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Postby LFC2007 » Mon May 28, 2007 8:42 pm

Penguins wrote:Well, if he demands 1st team football like before for him to stay then I'm afraid he needs to leave.

When did he demand 1st team football?
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