Liverpool FC Forum

[mikeg]

sorry when you are not allowed play Cantona and giggs against the likes of Barcalona its a handicap and that was in 95 the team the year before that walked the league with the finest attacking football ever seen in the English game.

Don't forget in the 90s United won

the premiership in 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, won't include 2000 and 2001 which was the three in a row.

The Fa Cup 1990,1994,1996,1999

European Cup 1999

League Cup 1991

European Cup Winners Cup 1991

Intercontinetal Championship 1999

Charity Shield 1994,1995,1997

Super Cup 1991

Similar enough Haul frankly The United team dominated throughout the 90s and early 00s 7 in 9 is an unbelivable record for league titles.

Much as your haul was impressive i am always going to be biased so maybe i am talking here.

I don't like the moneybag accusations placed at United its not thier fault for running a club properly the amount of stars that originated form the youth team was testament to a well run club. The class of 92 remains probobly the greatest youth team  considering the calibar of player in it. The youth team has stayed strong and stars are already evident if Guiseppe Rossi wasn't so small he would be starting in the premiership already 17 goals in 13 starts for the reserves and 7 in his last 3 he is already showing the quality he has.

Sorry for the patronsing i just don't think Liverpool of the 80s were any better then the United of the next decade. 

Manchester and Liverpool always inspired each other. The Sucsess of the Beatles showed the musical talent in the North West allowing The various Manchester groups of 80s and early 90s to make it. (Roses,Oasis,Joy Division, blah blah) and i think eventually another few proper scouse groups will make it big.

i will have more respect for what You did in the 80s and what united did in the 90s then them Surry,Essex and kent part time wits ever will do.

the difference between the two sides is quite easily explained

united in the 90's were the best team in the country

liverpool in the 80's were the best team in the WORLD

[Rastalovich]

It comes up at least 4 things per the years short for me, and I`m sure we did some inter-cont thingy or so or something, memory fails a bit there. Japan rings a bell, and no skipping commitments to take part either.

And to add the achievements of the 2000+ to bulster it won`t bring them any closer. We can add the l8 70s to the 80s and the gap gets even greater.

Changes in the game aside, changes are made for every team participating. Playing Sat, Mon, Weds, then again Sat. Only using 14 players and so on, so on.

I never saw Dalg/Rush ducking out of international games to play on the weekend for the club only to duck out again for the following week with a "calf strain" etc..

Another thing I remember is the lack of h8red of the reds when they domin8d. The devils seem(ed) to be h8d by a load more ppl, I feel.

Football, generally maybe, wasn`t as love or h8 as it is now, I don`t remember many ppl wishing Liverpool would lose in europe back then. In the 90s a lot of ppl h8d Manu, not including Liverpool fans.

[Dalglish]

sorry when you are not allowed play Cantona and giggs against the likes of Barcalona its a handicap and that was in 95 the team the year before that walked the league with the finest attacking football ever seen in the English game.

Don't forget in the 90s United won

the premiership in 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, won't include 2000 and 2001 which was the three in a row.

The Fa Cup 1990,1994,1996,1999

European Cup 1999

League Cup 1991

European Cup Winners Cup 1991

Intercontinetal Championship 1999

Charity Shield 1994,1995,1997

Super Cup 1991

Similar enough Haul frankly The United team dominated throughout the 90s and early 00s 7 in 9 is an unbelivable record for league titles.

Much as your haul was impressive i am always going to be biased so maybe i am talking here.

I don't like the moneybag accusations placed at United its not thier fault for running a club properly the amount of stars that originated form the youth team was testament to a well run club. The class of 92 remains probobly the greatest youth team  considering the calibar of player in it. The youth team has stayed strong and stars are already evident if Guiseppe Rossi wasn't so small he would be starting in the premiership already 17 goals in 13 starts for the reserves and 7 in his last 3 he is already showing the quality he has.

Sorry for the patronsing i just don't think Liverpool of the 80s were any better then the United of the next decade. 

Manchester and Liverpool always inspired each other. The Sucsess of the Beatles showed the musical talent in the North West allowing The various Manchester groups of 80s and early 90s to make it. (Roses,Oasis,Joy Division, blah blah) and i think eventually another few proper scouse groups will make it big.

i will have more respect for what You did in the 80s and what united did in the 90s then them Surry,Essex and kent part time wits ever will do.

Sensible posting Squiggels and some good points for discussion.

Your achievements in the 90's are impressive and there is no disputing the stats. As you rightly state they compare favourable with liverpool's in the 90's.

However a better pedigree in Europe probably tips the balance in Liverpool's favour. Two European Cups on the back of the two we won in the 70's speaks for itself and we share the honour of being one of only a handful to win it 5 times

The onset of the premiership and the money that poured into football definitly favoured United and their decision to float on the stock market in the early 90's gave them a masive advantage over their opponents in the same way that Chelsea enjoy a financial advantage at present. However money can buy you neither love or success but it sure helps !!!!

Your subsequent takeover last year may prove to be the beginning of your downfall and unless Fergie brings a few more players through the youth system you could be in BIG trouble in 3-5 years time.

Good points though and sensible posts like this from oposition fans are always welcome in my opinion.

[Squigels]

probobly right on the Glazer deal doing us over for a while. Apart from Rossi (Who in terms of technichal ability is better then most of the United team) the rest are only good prospects with only Rossi gaurenteed to come really good.

David Jones = Was at preston now at Nec Nijimen in the Dutch league good goal scorer 4 in 2 games for them there 4th in Dutch top division

Pique= evreyone seems so sure about him i think while clearly having enough quality lacks enough grit to be a top class centre half Even Rio has more toughness then him.

Bardsley= Can already play at a high level tough no nonsense defender.

there are other good prospects but not worth the bother when they played Liverpool reserves laast season they sorted them out 4-2 if i remember right.

The onset of the premiership though at first helped evreyone remember the first big spenders were blackburn united relied on the relativly cheap purchases of Cantona and Schmiechial.

Liverpool were not as hated as much as the united team possibly because Football was not as popular then. It was still the working mans game not like today were you played a team full of part time supporters. I was there and its a disgrace they have truly shocking support both home and away the wits. That ABU craze wasn't round then.

For example if you look back in the record books did rush and Dalglish get the credit they deserve for thier ability. No same goes for Robson who was the best midfielder of his time. (shame it was a team we had but apart from injuries he would have challanged the record for England caps) These were exceptional footballers who are now only considered good players.

Money paid for an acadamy which prolonged the sucsesss and set an example that youth acadamies can work. people took the eye od the ball for a few years but the acadamy is rising again.

To some other poster sorry bout forgeting the name but  were Liverpool the best team in the world for the whole of the 80s thats defenitly a matter of opinon cause i seem to remember among the decade Villa,Everton and Nottingham Forest winning honours. I know you will dispute me here but if you look at the teams who won the champions league after the Heysel ban. Everton could quite possibly have won the European cup Porto,PSV and Steua were not great sides and they won it afterwards for the season after Heysel Everton were to play in Europe and had every chance of doing well.

[Mikz]

Liverpool were not as hated as united thats true, but it has nothing to do with football not being as popular. United was full of that when a decision went against them, surrounded the referee ,bullied him etc. That doesnt win any admiration.
       Then ya had Ferguson, standing on the touchline with his stopwatch. The refs watch didnt matter, again trying to pressure the referee-pathetic! Then ya had his blatent refusal to condemn any of his players ,when condemnation was necessary Match of the day werent allowed to show Liverpool or he was having a go at them.
      Liverpool were team of the 80s, just add up the honours -and they went about their business in a fair and dignified manner. As for Everton-  

[Rastalovich]

LOL u just reminded me.

The dawn of the 90s came also came the dawn of rushing after the referee.

"When I was a lad" - players actually got on with the referee, they even were spotted laugh`n`joking with them.

And the swearing atm is blatent, which to be fair shows the refs as the cowards they really are, if some1 gobs off at u like is seen on "SKY", book the s.o.b. Don`t let em walk off and stick u`r tail between u`r legs.

[Squigels]

The dawn of the 90s was also an end to the pass back football that had serve you so well eh!

Christ you make yourselves out as the angels of football all well behaved boys oh yeah didn't Souness an Tommy 'Peno at Wembley' Smith play for you Smith was a tough competitior but Souness great footballer that he was was a nasty piece of work.

your best flair player Keegan was sold off and played his best games on the contininent and flair was not encouraged at Liverpool F.C You wern't quite robotic but proper attacking football was not seen till the 90s.

not wanting to sound a WUM here but it must clearly be all United whose players abused match officials. Tony Adams and his boys were the first at it remembe that trial they had and Adams is heard giving out no end to the ref.
Whats wrong with the questioning of match officials decisions anyway they are idiots.

I think the general change was that United had a team good enough to win things your time had been slowly coming to an end since 85 granted you were still winning but were a much better team in the first half of the 80s.

[Rastalovich]

U don`t wanna talk about dirty players, like ones that do things a normal person would get banged up for but gets a lean spell and a heros welcome - big time skytv comeback gameshow that was also spoilt by a certain team that never read the script.

Liverpool were the best team in the world, arguably, due to passing the ball back to the keeper. ookk.

Agreed, adams` m8s were just as bad, and exactly now we are in the safe assurance that all referees are now `idiots`. 20 years ago u`d hardly know much about them.

About time came with the Souey golden touch, wholesale changes afoot. All happening in mysterious syncronization with many other things at the end of the 80s/early 90s.

But clearly not due to a back pass.

[Lando_Griffin]

The Scum are.........Scum.

No retreat, no surrender.
Dirty scrubbers. 

[Lando_Griffin]

The dawn of the 90s was also an end to the pass back football that had serve you so well eh!

Christ you make yourselves out as the angels of football all well behaved boys oh yeah didn't Souness an Tommy 'Peno at Wembley' Smith play for you Smith was a tough competitior but Souness great footballer that he was was a nasty piece of work.

your best flair player Keegan was sold off and played his best games on the contininent and flair was not encouraged at Liverpool F.C You wern't quite robotic but proper attacking football was not seen till the 90s.

not wanting to sound a WUM here but it must clearly be all United whose players abused match officials. Tony Adams and his boys were the first at it remembe that trial they had and Adams is heard giving out no end to the ref.
Whats wrong with the questioning of match officials decisions anyway they are idiots.

I think the general change was that United had a team good enough to win things your time had been slowly coming to an end since 85 granted you were still winning but were a much better team in the first half of the 80s.

What are you doing here?

[Squigels]

Fair enough the back pass though suited a slower more effectiv style of play commonly in practice by lots of other teams just after it wa outlawed Liverpools possesion style of football died down a lot weather down to the players who left i aint sure but Liverpool changed very quickly after this rule was outlawed.

Sorry A BNP party member runs down half a terrace of steps and racially abuses you well i thought he was ok. What about your inspiration of a player Carragher tossing a coin into the Arsenal crowd or Tommy Smith getting done for skiving benefits.

I don't want to start being the here good discussion in all honesty

[Lando_Griffin]

Sorry A BNP party member runs down half a terrace of steps and racially abuses you well i thought he was ok. What about your inspiration of a player Carragher tossing a coin into the Arsenal crowd or Tommy Smith getting done for skiving benefits.

I don't want to start being the here good discussion in all honesty

What?

Are you talking to an imaginary friend?

[Rastalovich]

Liverpool changed all too quickly imo, back then. All too easily to.

U have to say, Souey seems to have that Managerial effect on clubs.

Fergie`s dealings and so on...

Not nice to live in a greenhouse whilst throwing stones is all I`m saying.

Rumor has it, Glazer likes Souey.

[redmikey]

It comes up at least 4 things per the years short for me, and I`m sure we did some inter-cont thingy or so or something, memory fails a bit there. Japan rings a bell, and no skipping commitments to take part either.

And to add the achievements of the 2000+ to bulster it won`t bring them any closer. We can add the l8 70s to the 80s and the gap gets even greater.

Changes in the game aside, changes are made for every team participating. Playing Sat, Mon, Weds, then again Sat. Only using 14 players and so on, so on.

I never saw Dalg/Rush ducking out of international games to play on the weekend for the club only to duck out again for the following week with a "calf strain" etc..

Another thing I remember is the lack of h8red of the reds when they domin8d. The devils seem(ed) to be h8d by a load more ppl, I feel.

Football, generally maybe, wasn`t as love or h8 as it is now, I don`t remember many ppl wishing Liverpool would lose in europe back then. In the 90s a lot of ppl h8d Manu, not including Liverpool fans.

stop using the number 8 in your text

it is really 4king annoying

is this a manc loving thread. what the feck

i will never hate they less. chelski have just come up abit in the hating ranks but will always just be cockney w@nkers
like arsenal . the scum and bitters have a special bit of hate put aside just for them because when you go to work or the pub you have to listen to them talking s.hit all the time 

[redmikey]

the only way is up from a manc lovin thread