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[Ciggy]

Have we started to take things for granted and have we as fans become arrogant and not satisfied enough with the team ?

It seems that way a bit to me the problem is the pro's and con's of winning the Champions League in May, has us wanting the feeling again and thinking we are the best there is around.

We are 3rd in the league a win today will put us on level points with Man U but we wont be second today because of the lack of goals scored by us this season.

Last season we finished 5th so many points behind Chelsea, Man U, and even Arsenal, the season before that we finished 4th so many points adrift to Arsenal the league leaders at the time we where just feeding off the scraps to get a CL place the last few seasons apart from 2001-2002 when we could have won the league but came 2nd but since then we have been some what of 30 points adrift to the league winners.

Now we are heading into a very busy schedual with another fixture pileup, but the reasons for this fixture pileup is because of success on the pitch, so forget fatigue for a minute if you want success you have to work hard for it and it can only bring confidence to the team. 

We have just beaten Arsenal and Man u in other circumstances we would have been shouting from the roof tops but we seem to be taking it for granted cause we beat the likes of Juventus, AC Milan so in comparison the likes of Arsenal and Man U dont seem as glamouros because we have beaten bigger and better if you get my drift?

We are in an absolute great position at the moment still in the last 16 of the CL, still in the F.A.Cup and knocked the mancs out, we can even finish 2nd in the league therfore automatic qualification for the CL next season, which will be better for our squad with no qualifying rounds to play in after the World Cup.

Ask any club in the prem apart from Chelsea would they like to be in our position even the mancs and hey they would bite your hand off to swap places with us.

[primodua]

even if (God forbid!) liverpool do not qualify for the next CL round, I still bleed red.

[laza]

I think there is no doubt that CL win while a silver cloud did have a black lining in the expectation were skyrocketed to unreachable heights for some.
I also think that some fans will always be demanding whether we stand and what ever the previous result
Im certainly more then rapt about our progress though i do think the season may start catching up on us now and if that does happen it will be interesting to gauge the reaction of the true red fans

[Igor Zidane]

Have we started to take things for granted and have we as fans become arrogant and not satisfied enough with the team ?

It seems that way a bit to me the problem is the pro's and con's of winning the Champions League in May, has us wanting the feeling again and thinking we are the best there is around.

We are 3rd in the league a win today will put us on level points with Man U but we wont be second today because of the lack of goals scored by us this season.

Last season we finished 5th so many points behind Chelsea, Man U, and even Arsenal, the season before that we finished 4th so many points adrift to Arsenal the league leaders at the time we where just feeding off the scraps to get a CL place the last few seasons apart from 2001-2002 when we could have won the league but came 2nd but since then we have been some what of 30 points adrift to the league winners.

Now we are heading into a very busy schedual with another fixture pileup, but the reasons for this fixture pileup is because of success on the pitch, so forget fatigue for a minute if you want success you have to work hard for it and it can only bring confidence to the team. 

We have just beaten Arsenal and Man u in other circumstances we would have been shouting from the roof tops but we seem to be taking it for granted cause we beat the likes of Juventus, AC Milan so in comparison the likes of Arsenal and Man U dont seem as glamouros because we have beaten bigger and better if you get my drift?

We are in an absolute great position at the moment still in the last 16 of the CL, still in the F.A.Cup and knocked the mancs out, we can even finish 2nd in the league therfore automatic qualification for the CL next season, which will be better for our squad with no qualifying rounds to play in after the World Cup.

Ask any club in the prem apart from Chelsea would they like to be in our position even the mancs and hey they would bite your hand off to swap places with us.

Crackin post Lynds, what i think people have got to remember is that Rafa is still in the process of building this team. I defy any not to agree with me ,that when Rafa took over ,we all would of been over the moon if we knew then what we know now. Mainly that we've won the C.L , we're fighting for 2nd in the Epl , we're still in this years C.L , ( Although you'd think we were already knocked out ,judging by some peoples posts) and we're still in the F.A cup. I'm as greedy as the next fan,and i want us to win everything and to completely batter teams 5-0 , but i'm also a realist and know these things won't happen. Surely everyone can see the progress we've made and the progress will continue , bit it's not all gonna come together at once.

[Theo@home]

Have we started to take things for granted and have we as fans become arrogant and not satisfied enough with the team ?

Er ... yes and no...  Can't really say that 4th or 5th spot is acceptable and a more realistic expectation for Liverpool fans. I'm sure you are not actually saying that - it just came across that way.  Personally, I have expectations of Liverpool being back where we belong - a side capable of and delivering the treble, or the CL and the Premiership or the CL and the FA Cup or some other combination, season in and season out.

Perhaps the false expectation that all this will happen this season is more your point Ciggy?  If so, I concur, but after our dire form for the past few seasons and with out winning the league for so long it is hard not to get carried away when a purple patch shows up, is it not? 

[RichardLFC1]

Dont realy think we are taking things for granted,we should always be aiming to win things

[anfieldadorer]

we have been around 1st spot in EPL since ages but never really getting in there, If houllier was almost there and knowing that we are the kings of europe already, i think we are not asking too much for demanding a bit more. chelsea is living beyond the world this season and likely not a chance for us to lead this year. However, expecting next year instead would reasonably be a realistic hope.

[Alonso14]

I was in spain, in some bar with a load of scousers i didnt no, and we got chatting and we came up with the same thing you just said. But i dont buy it, in the last minute when garcia scored the place was rockin, jumping up and down, beer everywhere.

After the Man U, I was just as happy.

But the Benfica match has put doubt in the minds of alot of people. And thats why i have been worried.

I also think unlike last season people are too confident about beating teams. None of us thought it would be easy last season again Levercsion (spelling?), but this seaon against the team who have won the cup twice, everyone thinks its going to be a roll over. Not me though. It will be tough.

I also hate being the so called Faviourite, everygame last seaon we went in underdogs. Anything can happen in the Champions League.

[ivor_the_injun]

I look at it this way...here we are at the end of Feb 2006, with a much better squad than we had in Feb 2005. That squad won the CL and got to the Worthington Cup final in what, by all accounts otherwise, was an incredibly frustrating season domestically.

Feb 2006, Rafa's cleaned up house considerably. Players have been moved on, quality players have been brought in, Kewell's been almost like a new signing, we've been a lot more consistent in the Prem, we're (generally) playing better football...

If we were going backwards, I'd be worried about thinking big. The really encouraging thing for me is that we're competitive on three fronts (Chelsea are the only other team in that situation), and yet there's definitely so much more to come from us. We have a very good football team, but we're still very much a work-in-progress, and that's incredibly encouraging.

There's a flipside though. We're a team on the up, but I'd say in answer to your question that I take absolutely nothing for granted. Example: we've had a phenomenal midfield this year, but look at what happened to Sissoko this week. We've already lost Zenden for at least most of the remainder of the season, and from having a wealth of options in the squad we suddenly look a little threadbare there.

[Sabre]

Er ... yes and no...  Can't really say that 4th or 5th spot is acceptable and a more realistic expectation for Liverpool fans. I'm sure you are not actually saying that - it just came across that way.  Personally, I have expectations of Liverpool being back where we belong - a side capable of and delivering the treble, or the CL and the Premiership or the CL and the FA Cup or some other combination, season in and season out.

I'll tell you that back in the uni in the nineties, my friend took the pi$$ of me when I said I was a Liverpool supporter. Those were times in which Barcelona beat Manchester with ease (they encountered several times) and Liverpool didn't play that competition.

I don't know how LFC fans felt on that times, but I tell you that now I see many "buts" despite the things we're achieving.

Good shout CGGY.

[48-1119859832]

It's a case of expecting too much too soon. Altho the only real concern on the face of a lot of Liverpool fans at this minute is the fact or strikers are baron. And that's not good enough. They are paid x amount each week to bang in the much needed goals to help us achieve our aspirations.

We have gone thru an amazing transformation over the last 18 months. We went from struggling to make it past the group stages to winning the competition. We've gone from having problems winning either away or at home 'n' balancing that out. We are playing a better quality of football than under Benitez's first season or under the entire Houllier regime. Our defence is harder to break down, we work as unit, as you can see it's paying off. We have a chance at picking up two pieces of silverware this season and a chance of finishing 2nd the league, whilst closing the points deficit on Chelsea.

We are in a very good position and we are gettin stronger all the time. I think the only thing that is getting on a lot of Liverpool supporters backs is the fact that we can't seem to put away our chances and that can be costly. And without seeming to come across as being a pessimist, our lack of firepower could ruin what seems to be a fantastic campaign. It would be ashame for us not be in a cup final or finish runners up in the league becoz our strikers couldn't put their chances away.

[Paul C]

I look at the way we were 3-4 years ago and look at us now and I can't believe how far we've come, under GH we were a decent team but not half the team Rafa is currently incharge of, our fitness and mentality is the best for years and although I complain sometimes about things were starting to show signs of the team Rafa wants and the likes of Man U and Arsenal are on the way down which makes me smile.

Long live the rafalution!!!

[7_Kewell]

I look at the way we were 3-4 years ago and look at us now and I can't believe how far we've come, under GH we were a decent team but not half the team Rafa is currently incharge of, our fitness and mentality is the best for years and although I complain sometimes about things were starting to show signs of the team Rafa wants and the likes of Man U and Arsenal are on the way down which makes me smile.

Long live the rafalution!!!

Houllier brought us forward a great deal in his time here and the cup treble was no doubt his highest point.  He brough in modern training methods, professional demands on players lifestyle and many other continental appraoches to the game.  The result?  A team that no longer lived the 'spice boy' way and understood that their commitments to LFC didn't end when they got home.  However, for me, Houllier lost the plot when he came back from his illness.  Conbine that with the 4 awful players he bough for a LOT of money and his fate was sealed.

[Theo@home]

Er ... yes and no...  Can't really say that 4th or 5th spot is acceptable and a more realistic expectation for Liverpool fans. I'm sure you are not actually saying that - it just came across that way.  Personally, I have expectations of Liverpool being back where we belong - a side capable of and delivering the treble, or the CL and the Premiership or the CL and the FA Cup or some other combination, season in and season out.

I'll tell you that back in the uni in the nineties, my friend took the pi$$ of me when I said I was a Liverpool supporter. Those were times in which Barcelona beat Manchester with ease (they encountered several times) and Liverpool didn't play that competition.

I don't know how LFC fans felt on that times, but I tell you that now I see many "buts" despite the things we're achieving.

Good shout CGGY.

Lol Sabes - yes, I'm sure the '90's were a period that we'd all like to remember for more success.  Unfortunately (or furtunately depending on how you look at it), my earliest memories as a fan stem from the 76/77 season and for the immediate 10 years following that we were "THE" team, winning 8 league titles virtually on the trot. Hence, the whole time I was playing junior/youth football from U8's to U17's it was us that did the laughing at the other team's supporter's plight and not the other way around.

And so, my belief system was built around LFC success and Liverpool as undeniable champions and the best team in Europe was/is not just an expectation, it is the way things are meant to be!   

[Lando_Griffin]

It's pretty obvious to me that a lot of folks on here ARE expecting too much.
It's also pretty obvious why. Rafa is a magician, and we are the best team in England after the one which is bank-rolled by the Russian Mafia.
Man Ush*ted and Arsenal may tell you otherwise, but they are and always have been a bunch of b*stards. Don't listen to them. Spooney and Van Horseface, and Henry do NOT make two teams.


Back to the topic:
We as fans need to understand that even the great LFC teams of the past - the best teams in England's history - lost games.
We did not win every single tournament we entered. No team ever has.

The point I am trying to make is this:

If you support LFC purely for the success we MAY get - f*ck off. You are not welcome.


If you support LFC because win, lose or draw they are a part of you - you are a true fan.

Hope for success. Wish for it. Get down on your knees and BEG for it!!! - Just don't demand it, and then threaten to walk away from the club if it fails to deliver it.