Liverpool FC Forum

[neil]

the thing is, there is no god, when we die we all end up in the same place, nowhere, its just like it was before we were born.....nothing. These murderous weirdos exist in some bizzare state of elevated self righteousness, happily deluded that they are on some divine mission . They cannot fit into the society they are privelidged enough to be part of, and as a result cause death and anguish to innocent people either directly or indirectly(case in point). Sick b.astards.   

[76-1115222408]

killing him was obviously a horrible mistake but the blame still lies squarely at the door of the terrorists, without whom the police wouldn't have shot anybody.

LA I understand your point about proof but please don't tell me you seriously think the London bombings were the work of some secret government agency and not islamist extremist terrorists?

Yes actually Wools, I do if I am being candidly honest!!!

I said it the day of the attacks, I am sure you have seen the post (or essay) on it.....If not I will repost it here!!!

As I say hard to believe, but history tells us this is what Governments do, I will give you one quick example - Hitler, bombed his OWN Reichstag (sp?) Building and blamed it on communist terrorists, as a reason for war!!!  Short and sweet.

Here is a link to show how long this has been going on for:

http://100777.com/node/91

[66-1120597113]

Soon They'll call u a racist Neil!! I think ur rite though

[neil]

Soon They'll call u a racist Neil!! I think ur rite though

f.uck em

[76-1115222408]

Barry why do you always talk about RACISM??  NOT ONE person apart from you seems to mention that word (apart from me qouting you on it, of course!), why do you kep mentioning it??

Maybe you are Paranoid!!!  I dont know, people are just conversing and debating, nobody is talking about or calling anyone rascist, so just leave that word alone FFS!!!

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BTW, Neil didnt say anything racist, so I fail to se your point anyway!!

[66-1120597113]

Cause im patriotic!!And despise foreign interventions  when they dont benefit our country! And yes i have been called racist in the past when i set fire to the local mosque!!...................Im joking !We havent got  mosques ere or id burn them all!!lol  !! Take a joke?

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Fair enough!!!

The joke however was not funny!!!

[66-1120597113]

It  was if ya dont reside in mosques!!

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Well I dont reside in mosques, as I am not muslim, but I still didnt find it funny!!!  Bad taste IMO!!!

[stmichael]

If I'm not mistaken, in 1999 some guy died after being restrained on his stomach by six police officers. He was portrayed as a feral, naked black man prowling the streets of Tottenham - in fact he was an average-sized naked man with mental health problems locked outside his house. He was also described as a crack addict, although no traces of cocaine were found in his blood or urine. Newspapers published first and apologised afterwards.

Scotsman Harry Stanley was killed by police after leaving a London pub in 1999. It was a particularly controversial case - he had been shot, well before the police began to operate their shoot-to-kill policy. The police had received reports that an "Irishman" with a suspicious package that looked very much like a wrapped-up sawn-off shotgun was on the loose. Mr Stanley was actually carrying a table leg. He was not a black man so he was demonised in a different way - portrayed as a feckless drunk.

It was reported that he raised the table leg as if to shoot. One story even suggested that he was depressed because he had cancer, so it was all an elaborate suicide attempt - in fact, he was in recovery and hopeful for the future. It was reported that Stanley was facing an officer with his "gun" - they had no choice, it was them or him. The entry and exit wounds to Mr Stanley's head later suggested that this was unlikely.

In 2003 Mikey Powell, a man without a criminal record, died after police officers drove their car at him, sprayed him with CS gas and restrained him. Soon after, an article in a local paper said that the police had driven their car at him only because he pointed a gun at them. He was actually holding a belt. When the family complained to West Midlands police, they were told it had been a mistake made by a source close to the investigation. By then the damage had been done. In the public mind, Powell was a crazed gunman who deserved to die.

Few deaths at the hands of the police have been as clear-cut as that of Jean Charles de Menezes. None has been as high profile. But the subsequent police distortion is all too familiar. So how should a responsible media treat these official statements or unofficial "police sources" that invariably excuse police actions or vilify victims? With caution, at the least. We know that the reality is so often complex and multidimensional. The police should be regarded as one player in the story. Just as witnesses are "reported" or "alleged" to have seen an incident, so should the police - rather than being allowed to issue reports (often anonymously) as if they were objective purveyors of the truth.

[Lando_Griffin]

Eye-witness accounts are ropey at the best of times. Lets be honest, 9/10 of the "witnesses" will have heard a shot and looked. They won't have noticed the lad before that. I know it's a tragedy, but there are too many gimps out there who "see" events when the press become involved. Half of the accounts will be utter bullsh*t, but the press will leap on them to sell their rags.
           I am in NO WAY condoning the shooting of this man, I'm just saying that the "eyewitnesses" probably saw a dead man, and not the preceeding events.
Jean Charles de Menezes; R.I.P.

[66-1112520797]

The shooting of an innocent man was a horrible mistake, yet can you really blame the police to the extent that Ian Blair should be made a scapegoat in all of this.

Innocent lives were lost in the London bombings .London was on a state of high alert ,a man was running from police and wouldnt stop when heading towards a tube station.
Now put yourself in a policemans shoes ,he obviously thought he was doing what his instinct told him to do.

What would you all now be saying if that man was a bomber and got away into the tube and let explosives off ?? In result of that say another 70 people died if not more,and then learning that a police officer had the oppartunity to shoot him dead before the incident.

Im sorry but whatever the police do they will be caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.
People will always critisise them whatever they do whether righ or wrong God help them.
Dont forget the policeman who shot the guy has now got to live with the fact he did shoot an innocent man ,that is about as much punishment he desrves.

[Lando_Griffin]

Very true. No one is infallible, and to expect a Police Marksman to lose his job for doing his job is pathetic. Accidents happen, there needn't always be a scapegoat. I have sympathies with all concerned INCLUDING the bobby that did it. He needs his peers to stand up for him.

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The shooting of an innocent man was a horrible mistake, yet can you really blame the police to the extent that Ian Blair should be made a scapegoat in all of this.

Innocent lives were lost in the London bombings .London was on a state of high alert ,a man was running from police and wouldnt stop when heading towards a tube station.
Now put yourself in a policemans shoes ,he obviously thought he was doing what his instinct told him to do.

What would you all now be saying if that man was a bomber and got away into the tube and let explosives off ?? In result of that say another 70 people died if not more,and then learning that a police officer had the oppartunity to shoot him dead before the incident.

Im sorry but whatever the police do they will be caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.
People will always critisise them whatever they do whether righ or wrong God help them.
Dont forget the policeman who shot the guy has now got to live with the fact he did shoot an innocent man ,that is about as much punishment he desrves.

Sorry Bamaga, but it was Ian Blair, that said the guy had run from the police, do you honestly believe that he DIDNT already know they had made a mistake?? Please!!

Also you say he ran from the police...THIS IS WRONG, he did not run at all, until the last minute and that was ONLY to catch the train!!!  He was sitting down when he was shot!

I am sorry but I think you need to research all the facts a bit better, and hen you will realise the WHOLE story is suspect!!

OK, if he was a bomber, then why let him get on a bus then?? He could have blown that up too you know! Then they also let hom go in the tube station too!!!