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"No, but I once gave an old piano to the Salvation Army."

[andy_g]

When andy comes back hopefully he will answer these questions -

Did he mind us following orders when we were told to cover the fireman when they kept going on strike which enabled UK to have cover and helped saved lives

Did he mind us following orders when we helped the flood victims and once again saved lives ?

Does he mind us following orders to help counter act terrorism around the world saving lives ?

like most people unable to think for themselves you've grasped the wrong end of the stick completely and got yourself all in a tizz. you've gone and invented yourself a story where i'm a complete anarchist that thinks discipline is a waste of time.

the comment i am reacting to was one of judge's so you don't even need to be getting yourself involved. the comment in question was along the lines of being happy to shoot anyone his government told him to. if any of you are too stupid to understand the ramifications of this kind of thinking then i suggest you keep the fuck out of the discussion.

[GYBS]

no one is happy to shoot anyone but when we get told to do something we follow those orders .

[Number 9]

no one is happy to shoot anyone but when we get told to do something we follow those orders .

Are you in the army mate?

[GYBS]

RAF mate

[Judge]

When andy comes back hopefully he will answer these questions -

Did he mind us following orders when we were told to cover the fireman when they kept going on strike which enabled UK to have cover and helped saved lives

Did he mind us following orders when we helped the flood victims and once again saved lives ?

Does he mind us following orders to help counter act terrorism around the world saving lives ?

like most people unable to think for themselves you've grasped the wrong end of the stick completely and got yourself all in a tizz. you've gone and invented yourself a story where i'm a complete anarchist that thinks discipline is a waste of time.

the comment i am reacting to was one of judge's so you don't even need to be getting yourself involved. the comment in question was along the lines of being happy to shoot anyone his government told him to. if any of you are too stupid to understand the ramifications of this kind of thinking then i suggest you keep the fuck out of the discussion.

andy.

i am not happy to shoot someone. that implies i get pleasure from it. that is not the case.


i executed my duty, then, as a soldier to do what was right at the time, under certain circumstances, and of course under direct orders.This of which you probably have no concept of, unless you are actually faced with it yourself.

i understand your stance, but you must also understand my stance on it.
Golden rule in the british army - you never shoot an unarmed person. difficult under duress and stress of a battlefield of course. but hopefully, i have given you a little of what it may be like for those who do not know

[account deleted by request]

When andy comes back hopefully he will answer these questions -

Did he mind us following orders when we were told to cover the fireman when they kept going on strike which enabled UK to have cover and helped saved lives

Did he mind us following orders when we helped the flood victims and once again saved lives ?

Does he mind us following orders to help counter act terrorism around the world saving lives ?

like most people unable to think for themselves you've grasped the wrong end of the stick completely and got yourself all in a tizz. you've gone and invented yourself a story where i'm a complete anarchist that thinks discipline is a waste of time.

the comment i am reacting to was one of judge's so you don't even need to be getting yourself involved. the comment in question was along the lines of being happy to shoot anyone his government told him to. if any of you are too stupid to understand the ramifications of this kind of thinking then i suggest you keep the fuck out of the discussion.

While I understand your point Andy, how can an Army function if the soldiers don't obey every order, even orders to kill ? The soldier is probably not going to know the ins and outs of any decision and will in all probability be in the total dark as to the threat (or otherwise) of the people they are ordered to shoot. I suppose its based on trust, loyalty and believing that they wouldn't receive such an order unless it was the right thing to do.


Obviously there are cases in which this doesn't hold true, as the Nazi's during the war were not allowed to use "Obeying orders" as a defence for their crimes.

Obviously, the shoot first and we will discuss the options later approach does have a couple of drawbacks to it. 

[GYBS]

you got it spot on saint

[Ciggy]

Have you actually shot people dead Judge

[Number 9]

Have you actually shot people dead Judge

The only thing Judge has ever shot is his load!!

Im joking Judge before ya go off on one,know the way you have your serious head on today!

[Sabre]

Judge, GYBS, Woof, I'm a civilian and have not a lot of knowledge about army rules. You seem to know better that.

In films, which are not reality I know woof , sometimes we see a russian submarine in which the second of command decides to refuse an order, because they think the officer has gone nuts.

Is that scenario of refusing to comply an order impossible then in reality no matter what the order is? If it's not impossible, what's the frontier to that refusal? Can a Lieutenant judge that the colonel is under drugs and thus he should not be obbeyed?

[Igor Zidane]

Welcome Dude, happy posting . 

[maypaxvobiscum]

during a mission there is no time to discuss if the decision made is right or wrong. your enemy might kill you by then. there is always briefings held after it to discuss tactics.

[GYBS]

it all comes down to the situation and reasons for ignoring the order - straight away you would be charged then it would go through military court as did with the guy who refused to go to iraw cause he didnt belive in the war - currently serving two years in a military jail .

[GYBS]

during a mission there is no time to discuss if the decision made is right or wrong. your enemy might kill you by then. there is always briefings held after it to discuss tactics.

its not films - there is plenty of run up time to make sure everything is correct and proper before any "mission" goes ahead. every soldier knows the boundaries and lines that arent to be crossed.