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[puroresu]

After the collapse of the Ottoman Caliphate there were no borders in the Middle East either and the Europeans drew them as well.  Its called divide and conquer!!!  That is the greatest problem in the Muslim world but the West knew that to be the case and thats why they split they carved the Muslim world into nation states.  Like Africa none of these states of scrapped these fake borders but why would they when if it wasnt for these bogus borders these despots would have no rule (which the British and French gave them).

Typical response from someone with a limited knowledge but subject to indocrination .

Before I enter into more ultimately useless exchanges with you , may I ask ,how old are you exactly ? You sound like a teenager fed on rhetoric and a blinding disregard for any view other than the one you have been spoon fed .

so the Middle East wasnt re-drawn after the collapse of the Ottoman Caliphate, is that what u are saying.  The British never supported those mislead Arabs who revolted against the Ottomans.  They never put the House of Saud in power, they never gave King Faisal Iraq, or the Hasmite's Jordan.  These things didnt happen.

Some quotes from the British regarding the Muslim world after the Ottoman Caliphate:

"We must put an end to anything which brings about any Islamic unity between the sons of the Muslims. As we have already succeeded in finishing off the Khilafah, so we must ensure that there will never arise again unity for the Muslims, whether it be intellectual or cultural unity" - The British Foreign Minister addressing the British Prime Minister shortly before World War II.   

"The point at issue is that Turkey has been destroyed and shall never rise again, because we have destroyed her spiritual power: the Khilafah and Islam." - Lord Curzon, British Foreign Secretary, after the abolishment of the Khilafah by Mustafa Kemal

[metalhead]

Metal head I hope you have a name causeI hate refering to you with that, but mate, I just wish the whole bloody world would get on with each other.
Im f[B]u[B/]ckin sick of it along with my fellow country men and women.
We hate war we dont want to invade the middle east thats your land, we hate our government for being upo Bush's @rse.
But is ever gona stop?
Who is going to stop it?
You have something they want oil, thats it, they dont care about you people there, but you know that already.
So why am I waffling on 
I just wish it will all go away, my son is seven now and I know when I die this will still be going on, and there is no need for it, I wish everyone would just stop bombing and terrorists will cease to excist and everyone can be happy, but its not going to happen in my lifetime, or my sons either.
Just feck off an throw bombs on a desert island kunts
An Al-Queada just all die of aids please 

Al-Quada are mad men! When the war started they unleashed a propaganda to gain some people to support them! Hizballah didn't like it and they surely will never like them either! they hate each other!

i had a laugh when i heard Galloway! this guy should be British prime minister     

[puroresu]

A bit of update:

The b*tch olmert, the prime minister of israel said that israel will widen their military campaign in the south of lebanon, so that means more killing innocent lives and more destruction. The israeli government said that it will take 4 to 6 weeks to finish their campaign. I say its B*llox! because 10 days ago they said that they will wipe out hizballah in a week! now its 10 days and they havn't even got close to any of their goals, what they only did that they destroyed so many buildings, roads, bridges and commited massacres that so many innocent lives were lost. Now they say they want 30 days? B*STARDS!  Our 4th largest city, Tyre is being heavily bombarded, people there are stuck and they can't go anywhere because every road is destroyed in the south. The Lebanese Red cross can't cross to the south of lebanon and sometimes they are seen as targets for israeli aircrafts. People who are stuck in the south of Lebanon are just waiting to die! its horrible! After this war ends, If Olmert and all the ministers aren't taken to court to be prosecuted for the massacres, I swear to you guys that Lebanon will never have peace with Israel.

end of rant

metalhead what do you think of your nations army?  Do u feel the state should use them to try and resist the invasion?  I find it strange to see Lebanon invaded yet the official army is still in its barracks.

The official army is ready to defend from any air attacks or land attacks. Ilias il Mur who is the defence prime minister of Lebanon said that the army will defend beirut if Israel decided to invade it. The problem with our army that they don't have the strong weaponry that Hizballah or Israel has. The Lebanese army is very well trained.

Now they will send 15,000 lebanese troops to southern lebanon and they called in the reserves, thank f*ck i have the army book!! it states that i can't go into the army because im studying in university

so Hezbollah is actually better equipped than the army.  How many mujahaideen do Hezbollah have?

[metalhead]

The British never supported those mislead Arabs who revolted against the Ottomans.

Very true! the British even promised Palestine that it would be independent after WW2, but they lied and they gave the land instead to the zionists.

Also, during WW2 the Iraqi people revolted against the british and sided with Hitler.

[Ciggy]

Oh shut up FFS
Not you metalhead this other fella.

[metalhead]

A bit of update:

The b*tch olmert, the prime minister of israel said that israel will widen their military campaign in the south of lebanon, so that means more killing innocent lives and more destruction. The israeli government said that it will take 4 to 6 weeks to finish their campaign. I say its B*llox! because 10 days ago they said that they will wipe out hizballah in a week! now its 10 days and they havn't even got close to any of their goals, what they only did that they destroyed so many buildings, roads, bridges and commited massacres that so many innocent lives were lost. Now they say they want 30 days? B*STARDS!  Our 4th largest city, Tyre is being heavily bombarded, people there are stuck and they can't go anywhere because every road is destroyed in the south. The Lebanese Red cross can't cross to the south of lebanon and sometimes they are seen as targets for israeli aircrafts. People who are stuck in the south of Lebanon are just waiting to die! its horrible! After this war ends, If Olmert and all the ministers aren't taken to court to be prosecuted for the massacres, I swear to you guys that Lebanon will never have peace with Israel.

end of rant

metalhead what do you think of your nations army?  Do u feel the state should use them to try and resist the invasion?  I find it strange to see Lebanon invaded yet the official army is still in its barracks.

The official army is ready to defend from any air attacks or land attacks. Ilias il Mur who is the defence prime minister of Lebanon said that the army will defend beirut if Israel decided to invade it. The problem with our army that they don't have the strong weaponry that Hizballah or Israel has. The Lebanese army is very well trained.

Now they will send 15,000 lebanese troops to southern lebanon and they called in the reserves, thank f*ck i have the army book!! it states that i can't go into the army because im studying in university

so Hezbollah is actually better equipped than the army.  How many mujahaideen do Hezbollah have?

Hmm... i don't know an exact figuere but they have alot of men, they are really well trained soldiers thats why the israeli forces are having so much trouble breaking through.

Yeh hizballah are better equipped than the army and have more military power than the army too.

[Big Niall]

The British never supported those mislead Arabs who revolted against the Ottomans.

Very true! the British even promised Palestine that it would be independent after WW2, but they lied and they gave the land instead to the zionists.

Also, during WW2 the Iraqi people revolted against the british and sided with Hitler.

The British promised Ireland a United Ireland (kind of) if we fought WW2 with them.

Fortunately we didn't believe Churchill and co and stayed out of it. You should have known how much a promise in politics is worth.

[taff]

Churchill promised a lot bless him

[66-1112520797]

The British never supported those mislead Arabs who revolted against the Ottomans.

Very true! the British even promised Palestine that it would be independent after WW2, but they lied and they gave the land instead to the zionists.

Also, during WW2 the Iraqi people revolted against the british and sided with Hitler.

The British promised Ireland a United Ireland (kind of) if we fought WW2 with them.

Fortunately we didn't believe Churchill and co and stayed out of it. You should have known how much a promise in politics is worth.

Big 'chip on my bloc' Niall 

Every post I read from you its anti English whether its football or politics. Go on admit it right here right now you loved the Nazis's   

and I quote from Woofs linky

The British stopped informing Éire of its order of battle in Northern Ireland, while the Irish Army drew up plans not only for defence against the British, but also for military co-operation with the Germans should an invasion take place












Only joking Big Niall 

[woof woof !]

You may not have "stayed out of it" as much as you think . In excess of 200,000 Irish nationals travelled to England and volunteered to join the fight against the Nazi's

The history of Irelands "neutrality " during that time makes for some interesting reading.

link

[maccabi haifa zona]

The British never supported those mislead Arabs who revolted against the Ottomans.

Very true! the British even promised Palestine that it would be independent after WW2, but they lied and they gave the land instead to the zionists.

Also, during WW2 the Iraqi people revolted against the british and sided with Hitler.

First of all that's bullshiet. There were supposed to be 2 countries here, one for us and one for the Palestinians. Our leaders agreed to that, yours didn't and the Arab countries started a war against us. We won, you lost, too bad.

Second of all, guess of what religion were the people who attempted to bomb around 9 planes leaving England?

[Smeg]

The British never supported those mislead Arabs who revolted against the Ottomans.

Very true! the British even promised Palestine that it would be independent after WW2, but they lied and they gave the land instead to the zionists.

Also, during WW2 the Iraqi people revolted against the british and sided with Hitler.

First of all that's bullshiet. There were supposed to be 2 countries here, one for us and one for the Palestinians. Our leaders agreed to that, yours didn't and the Arab countries started a war against us. We won, you lost, too bad.

Second of all, guess of what religion were the people who attempted to bomb around 9 planes leaving England?

I wouldnt believe everything you hear, seems a bit coincidental that this foiled plot came along just as the lebonese are being slaughtered, in effect overshdowing what Israel and hezzbollah are doing.

[maccabi haifa zona]

The British never supported those mislead Arabs who revolted against the Ottomans.

Very true! the British even promised Palestine that it would be independent after WW2, but they lied and they gave the land instead to the zionists.

Also, during WW2 the Iraqi people revolted against the british and sided with Hitler.

First of all that's bullshiet. There were supposed to be 2 countries here, one for us and one for the Palestinians. Our leaders agreed to that, yours didn't and the Arab countries started a war against us. We won, you lost, too bad.

Second of all, guess of what religion were the people who attempted to bomb around 9 planes leaving England?

I wouldnt believe everything you hear, seems a bit coincidental that this foiled plot came along just as the lebonese are being slaughtered, in effect overshdowing what Israel and hezzbollah are doing.

Yeah, maybe it's a conspiracy! Maybe even the 9-11 disaster was a conspiracy, to help the Zionists and USA conquer the world! Maybe John Lennon wasn't killed! or Paul McCartney died in a car accident!

Come on.

[Um Ba]

Israel is a dump

[puroresu]

The British never supported those mislead Arabs who revolted against the Ottomans.

Very true! the British even promised Palestine that it would be independent after WW2, but they lied and they gave the land instead to the zionists.

Also, during WW2 the Iraqi people revolted against the british and sided with Hitler.

First of all that's bullshiet. There were supposed to be 2 countries here, one for us and one for the Palestinians. Our leaders agreed to that, yours didn't and the Arab countries started a war against us. We won, you lost, too bad.

Second of all, guess of what religion were the people who attempted to bomb around 9 planes leaving England?

what cos the UN said so.  If you want I'll give you the quotes from your zionist leaders who had no desire for two states at all and there only concern was to drive the Arabs out. Of course your zionists leaders accepted.  They had just got themself a state which they had no right to.

Why should the indeginious people of Palestine had to accept some BS UN plan which told them their land was being taken away from them to make way for some jewish immigrants from Europe? 

Israel is basically a colonial settlement rather than a real nation. The vast majority of those who are supposed to form the basis of an Israeli 'nation', i.e. members of the World's Jewish community, show no desire whatsoever to live there. Also, most of those who do live there have no real roots in the country. More than a third weren't born there and most of the others are the children or grandchildren of people born elsewhere.


As for the alleged plane attacks in the UK.  Well lets just see the outcome first.  We've already had people arrested for allegedly looking to bomb Old Trafford which was myth.  We've had people charged for buying garden fertiliser and taken to court as for some reason Muslims buying fertiliser means they are making bombs.  Again this was not proven to be the case.