metalhead » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:30 am wrote:What's wrong with a totalitarian state?
Kenny Kan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:09 am wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120236/Abu-Qatadas-delight-handed-expensive-taxpayer-funder-home.html?ICO=most_read_module
The British high court is overruled again by the European court of human rights, preventing Britain to deport "radical" cleric Abu-Qatada to Jordan. Meanwhile he gets to live the 'life of riley' on taxpayers money.
The sooner Britain gains its autonomy away from the totalitarian state of [strikethrough]Germany & France[/strikethrough] Europe, the better for Briton's I reckon.
LFC2007 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:48 pm wrote:This actually has nothing to do with the European Union. It's a decision made by the ECHR, which is part of a separate European institution to the EU, namely the Council of Europe.
Next you'll be saying Britain should withdraw from the Eurozone
tonyeh » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:51 pm wrote:Kenny Kan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:09 am wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120236/Abu-Qatadas-delight-handed-expensive-taxpayer-funder-home.html?ICO=most_read_module
The British high court is overruled again by the European court of human rights, preventing Britain to deport "radical" cleric Abu-Qatada to Jordan. Meanwhile he gets to live the 'life of riley' on taxpayers money.
The sooner Britain gains its autonomy away from the totalitarian state of [strikethrough]Germany & France[/strikethrough] Europe, the better for Briton's I reckon.
Why did you let him in, in the first place?
Kenny Kan » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:36 am wrote:
The "institution" (ECHR) still flies under the same EU flag and it's still totalitaerian in nature.
Same meat but with different gravy - in the end, anything with an "E" in the begining of its acronymn can veto or push, to oppose something undertaken under British law/rule.
LFC2007 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:49 pm wrote:Kenny Kan » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:36 am wrote:
The "institution" (ECHR) still flies under the same EU flag and it's still totalitaerian in nature.
Same meat but with different gravy - in the end, anything with an "E" in the begining of its acronymn can veto or push, to oppose something undertaken under British law/rule.
That flag was actually first adopted by the Council of Europe, long before the EU ever existed.
Strictly speaking, neither institution forces the UK or any other member/signatory state to do anything against its wishes, because every one of those countries retains the right to withdraw from either the EU or the ECHR, and I'd say that's a pretty fundamental limit to their authority
Kenny Kan » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:23 pm wrote:
You make it sound so easy to withdraw from the EU especially. If life were that simple.
LFC2007 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:42 pm wrote:Kenny Kan » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:23 pm wrote:
You make it sound so easy to withdraw from the EU especially. If life were that simple.
I didn't say it would simple or easy. I said it was a possibility open to those countries.
Whatever the practical difficulties involved, EU countries and signatories to the ECHR nevertheless have the right to withdraw from those institutions if they wish. They are not forced into accepting the authority of those institutions; they agree as a condition of membership to cede a certain degree of their national sovereignty to those institutions. Ergo, neither can be described as being "totalitarian in nature".
Kenny Kan » Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:16 am wrote:Absolute dross.
The very fact a nation has to cede a "a certain degree of their national sovereignty" marks the notion that the undemocratic and unelected foreign organisation is actually totalitarian by nature. Obviously, you cannot overtly coerce a country to membership or rule, as the Nazis' tried and subsequently found out, so other means of diplomacy ensure more covert ways of this organisation flex their totalitarian nature.
Just ask the Irish, in regards to the Euro, who are in over their head more so than the British, taking upon their 'flawed' financial monetary system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs
He's bang on (excuse the pun) money.
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